Wide Body Terrano Flares

[Dirtydog]

Well guys im going to be making my terrano body a little wider because i eventually want her on 35's, and the front diff is 100mm wider anyway.

i dont like the look of the standard terrano wide body flares, so i ill be sculpting my own set which will be following the same style as the terrano guards.

the proccess i do this in means that i have to make a fiber glass mold of the areas anyway, so i was wondering if anyone else would be interested in some wider guards?

front ones will be a straight bolt on replacement for the whole front guard, rear ones will have to be pop rivited on.

because these will be brining the guard out rather than adding some plastic to the guard, there will be alot more clearance for larger tyres, hoping to be able to fit 33's under there without the need for a body lift.

the front will incorperate a guard chop by the front doors, and the rear will simulate a guard chop. (as much as possible)

i will make it to suit a 2door terrano first, then modify my 4door.


So, any questions or ideas?

[zukmeista]

If you are making them out of fiberglass a tube bar that goes around the outside would be a good idea to stop them getting destroyed by banks/trees.

[Dirtydog]

i thought this much, i was thinking about a small rod bent to the shape of the outside, that is then made integral to the part.

but i think i might make it an option rather than including it, as i imagine people would still want side bars etc.

i know i wont be doing it for my truck as im going to do full bars around it eventually.

[gingwaa]

sound cool what would you be charging for some for a 4 door ? would be keen to see some pics when you get it sorted?

[Dirtydog]

it may take a while but im going for a wider body look.



https://www.4x4parts.com/nissan/hardbod ... p-645.html

Something like that, but not quite so much bulge, probably half as much.

i think 2 inches would suffice enough, and as for price i have no idea at this stage, have to price up resin etc and find out how long it takes. wont be anything over $500 a set. but as for ordering etc i will make sure im not breaking any forum rules before i offer them for sale, for now they are just a project to get ideas from.

also, i might get into making ones similar to the normal terrano ones if theres any interest.

[gingwaa]

sounds good yeah i have a factory wide body but have broken the flares so replaced them with rubber ones and since then have had nothing but trouble at wof time as the say my rims are out of the original body line its a joke aye

[Dirtydog]

it all comes down to who interprets what with wofs these days.

i know people that have 100mm wide flares on there truck, and standard flares and they pass, then i know someone running rubber flares that they deem are "unsafe" for pedestrians even though they are rubber.

but hopefully these ones will be wof frendly, ive already got the front sorted out. as long as it fits onto factory mounting points and doesnt extend further than 100mm from original bodyline, it doesnt need cert.

the back i still have to ask a few q's to the certifier.

[workin on it]

once youve got them sorted let me know i may be keen as ive got to sort that 100mm diffrence with the safari front diff in my terrano aswell. make sure u put some pics of them up when u get them sorted

[Dirtydog]

will do cheers dude,

looks like it may be a while off, unless i can find a cheap run around car in the meantime.

[sibainmud]

I'm have my hand firmly up in the air
Looking at wider front diff for T3
If you can fit 33's under them with no body lift, then they will be perfect for my intentions
Costings?
Time not a problem at this stage as this will be a long term project and not the rush builds I'm used to.

Cheers,

[Dirtydog]

the idea behind it is to fit 33's without bodylift.

dont know how possible it is though, mine is now 5 inches higher that stock, with a 2 inch body lift.

and my front diff is moved foward about 4 inches.

i will have to make my ones up first to get an idea on how much it will cost, so i can figure out how many materials used, and how long it takes to make em.

looks like i have found a cheap run around car that i can use, so now it just looks like i have to wait for trailer and some other things to sell.

[sibainmud]

the idea behind it is to fit 33's without bodylift.

dont know how possible it is though, mine is now 5 inches higher that stock, with a 2 inch body lift.

and my front diff is moved foward about 4 inches.

Perfect! (holding cards close to chest )

Cheers,

[Dirtydog]

well i have started work on truck, gave it a good clean down, just need to get new tailgate and find a front guard (mines out of shape )

i will be trying to do the best i can in terms of getting clearance for front and rear, but a word of warning it will most likely end up having to chop up the rear guards quite a bit.

also, does anyone know if the 2 door terranos have the filler cap in the same spot? worked out a way to do it so that filler cap will be bolted to flare, so it will look factory.

[sibainmud]

Yip filler cap in same place. Most things are the same bar a few more panels where the rear doors are.

Cheers

[Dirtydog]

i saw a navara and unfortunatly they are on the other side of bulge.

ill have to make up a set to suit them.

Front guards off assesing what ill have to fix, and luckily its only the guard thats pushed in, not the mounting locations.

also came up with another idea for a guard, but ill leave that for later after doing a few tests....

[kbjj]

Will look good but wont they just get trashed when offroad? Not wanting to put a dampener on good ideas, but don't want to see ya wasting time and effort. IMHO keep body narrow, cut guards fo clearance and fit conveyor belt flares as they fold out they way.

[Dirtydog]

its more about the clearances for the tyres and to look closer to factory.

in my experiences i have seen what damage can be done to steel guards.

when they bend they stay bent, when you bend fiberglass it bounces back to shape.

Go hit a steel guard with a hammer, then a fiberglass guard and see what happens.

but in terms of 4x4ing, these are supposed to be mere replacements for those of us going to wider front/rear axles, and or tyres.

and i can tell ya its easier to replace a fiberglass guard than a steel one, more importantly, easier to fix if it does get broken.

And in terms of rubber flares i now alot of people that are having problems with getting warrants with them, the wording being the wheel may not extend out past the bodyline.

[passengerpete]

fiberglass guards/any body panels, are costly if ya starting from scratch the cost of material is up there, unless ya know a boat builder. then all the resin and harden ect and tools, and then hours of ya time to make a plug.
im not trying to put ya off it mate, just merely suggesting that ya would need to sell about 20 odd units before ya broke even. as the market for a wide fiberglass terrano guard would be slim/ guessing 3 or 4 units ? you will be doing it for the sheer love of it. also an average car fiberglass guard on t/m is $350 ish so forking out about $700/800 on terrano guards would take a bit of thought when in that price range, there's tyres and winch's.
but chin up old chap, go for it you will have a great time.
and just for reference
side bars make great flares. this is a 2'' rubber flare tucked under side rail.

you said ya want to clear 35'' tyres, as we have similar trucks im guessing you should piss in ? because this is a true 33'' tyre and there's heaps of room

apples with apples and all that.
ifs is a different can of worms as the front axle sits further back. so ya hole mounting of the flare the back would need some trail and error so you will have a heap of time going into this project with vary little return. if ya trying to make some pocket money on this venture, i wish you the best of luck and hope ya become a millionaire.

[Dirtydog]

fiberglass guards/any body panels, are costly if ya starting from scratch the cost of material is up there, unless ya know a boat builder. then all the resin and harden ect and tools, and then hours of ya time to make a plug.
im not trying to put ya off it mate, just merely suggesting that ya would need to sell about 20 odd units before ya broke even. as the market for a wide fiberglass terrano guard would be slim/ guessing 3 or 4 units ? you will be doing it for the sheer love of it. also an average car fiberglass guard on t/m is $350 ish so forking out about $700/800 on terrano guards would take a bit of thought when in that price range, there's tyres and winch's.
but chin up old chap, go for it you will have a great time.
and just for reference
side bars make great flares. this is a 2'' rubber flare tucked under side rail.

you said ya want to clear 35'' tyres, as we have similar trucks im guessing you should piss in ? because this is a true 33'' tyre and there's heaps of room

apples with apples and all that.
ifs is a different can of worms as the front axle sits further back. so ya hole mounting of the flare the back would need some trail and error so you will have a heap of time going into this project with vary little return. if ya trying to make some pocket money on this venture, i wish you the best of luck and hope ya become a millionaire.

Not really after pocket money, i quite enjoy shaping things, and i have set myself a challange.

I am merely offereing them to people that may be interested, as i have to make a mold of the plug anyway, seems a bit of a waste to make it and only make one set out of it. but yes it will recover some of the cost, and im not charging for the labour as its what i enjoy doing as a hobby sort of thing.

i do realise i will have a bit of trouble in terms of fitting it onto a stock terrano, but i have a mate with a stocker that is willing to help.

im aldo doing it because i want something different, and i want 35's to be able to go under the rear guards without rubbing. it will involve cutting, but at least i wont be trying to re-shape the metal to form a new guard.

and p.s fiberglass isnt as expensive as everybody thinks. (aslong as your not buying the stuff from hammer hardware or ripco/supercheap) i could sell these for a comfortable $600 and make a profit, maybe not recovering the mold costs, but when your doing something for your self anyway, any money back is only helping.

[passengerpete]

awesome. carry on soldier as you where,

[Dirtydog]

awesome. carry on soldier as you where,

lol, thanks for trying to help though, i know where you were coming from.

[Dirtydog]

Well progress has started, sanded one side of the ranno, aswell as the other guard.

also went and got some expanding foam to start the basic shape, and something tells me it didnt like the heat..... expanded, then shrunk again, so got to pick up some more a bit latter.

would take pics, but there aint much to see as of yet.

[Dirtydog]

righto, finally some progress,









This is only the very rough shape, still have to fill in voids with foam, and get the first coat of body filler on it. still a while to go yet.

but what do people think of general shape? it is 60mm wider that what the original guard is, so 120mm wider overall. should be enough for me to put silverstones on it no prob.

[danielbeek]

Looking really good, shape wise. Though I recon the guard should come back to the door and cover where the indicator is. Mount indicator on new part of guard. As it is, WOF people might have issues with limited vis of indicator caused by the flared guard, remembering Terranos don't have corner indicators, just forward facing ones in the bumper.

I've seen at least three or four WD21 Terranos around in the last couple of years with identical larger guard flare kits. They were likely fibreglass as they were all colour matched. They did not stick out much (if at all) more than the standard 'widebody' flares, but were much taller (covering more of the panel). Kind of like the newer D22 flares. Wonder who made them...

I also wonder what the deal is with the standard american Pathfinder widebody flares. They always seem to be black - wonder if they were plastic and just not colour coded for their market, or if they were in fact rubber.

[danielbeek]

Is that spray-can expanding foam?
You will get a much stronger base for building the mold plug using the 2 pot urethane expanding foam used for filling voids in refridgeration boxes (often used on boats).

[Dirtydog]

its the stuff builders use for filling in gaps, applied through a gun.

its pretty good stuff, sticks to anything you spray it at though....

these are just the first layers, still heaps of voids to fill etc, with the indicators i probably will move them out quite a bit, as it makes the guard look wrong if they arnt.

there will be a good layer of bog on the outside of this, making it a bit harder and stronger, also providing something i can finish quite good.

i think the black ones are fiberglass aswell, just finished in black gelcoat.

i have seen one that had converted d22 flares, maybe they are modified ones put into production?

[Dumbass]

Is that spray-can expanding foam?
You will get a much stronger base for building the mold plug using the 2 pot urethane expanding foam used for filling voids in refridgeration boxes (often used on boats).

sorry to be nosey, are you talking about the A+b mix you own urethane foam? (how do I get it to stay on a vertical surface stuff)
Or the mighty expensive (from what I have seen) pressurised gun mixed spraying kind?
I just use the spray can stuff also, (because im a cheap bitch) and glass it for strength before final finishing

[Dirtydog]

i think hes talking about the a + b stuff.

ive got the rather expensive pre mixed applied by gun stuff, that sticks to heaps of stuff.

the gun itself is expensive, but if you buy a pack of pre mixed stuff you usually get the gun free (12 or more of them)

luckily i know a builder who lets me use his gun.....

[danielbeek]

Is that spray-can expanding foam?
You will get a much stronger base for building the mold plug using the 2 pot urethane expanding foam used for filling voids in refridgeration boxes (often used on boats).

sorry to be nosey, are you talking about the A+b mix you own urethane foam? (how do I get it to stay on a vertical surface stuff)
Or the mighty expensive (from what I have seen) pressurised gun mixed spraying kind?
I just use the spray can stuff also, (because im a cheap bitch) and glass it for strength before final finishing

Yeah, A+B (two component) urethane foam. Comes in tins. Guessing the building stuff is similar but with very fast activator.
You'd simply box up the vertical area with cardboard and tape, slightly oversized, then 'carve' to shape. Grease/PVA/wax the inside of cardboard!

[Dirtydog]

the only prob is i dont have a local supplier of the foam, and knowing a builder i can get the foam at cost.

also saves on waste, ans i can get it pretty close to the shape i want by building up in layers.

otherwise, on the next project im going to see if i can get some....

it comes in handy for my models, as you make a mould, then you make a skin of Resin, similar to fiberglass, but you then back fill it with foam, so that it has some structure behind it.