Terrano engine swap

[kiwipete]

As the title says I am seriously considering swapping out my TD27 engine for a QD32 to my existing automatic transmission.

Now I am a little confused, and am running around in circles on the interweb trying to find the info I need; but what are your thoughts on this as far as bolt patterns go for the bell housing and marrying of the transmission etc?

I am open to any proactive suggestions, good or bad and thoughts in general.

I have a very sharp quote over the phone from a business who has plenty of experience in this field to do the job.

My truck at present has a Isuzu 3.1 intercooler top mounted and they suggested it will not be a problem keeping this as existing.

I hope to get to visit them early next week for a one on one meeting.

The quoted cost of this is way cheaper than even considering selling the truck and starting again.

[sibainmud]

Subscribed. Autos not my strong point.
I take it they haven't seen how full your engine bay is, then?
As I'm a very tactile person, it would be a case of measuring both fly wheels and torque converters to check compatibility.
Bell housing bolt pattern should be cool.

Cheers,

[passengerpete]

what sort of qd32 ya thinking of using ? as in the manual pump na d22 navara style and turboing it, or using the r50 efi one thats factory turbo ?
would ya keep it efi ? or use ya manual td27t pump on it, ?

[kiwipete]

what sort of qd32 ya thinking of using ? as in the manual pump na d22 navara style and turboing it, or using the r50 efi one thats factory turbo ?
would ya keep it efi ? or use ya manual td27t pump on it, ?

They are supplying an aftermarket manual fuel pump that has the same specs as the ETi one; I do not know what type, name or brand it is yet.

They are also supplying the engine too and I naturally assumed from the phone call that it is a factory turbo one? I will not know the finer details until I visit them.

[kiwipete]

Subscribed. Autos not my strong point.
I take it they haven't seen how full your engine bay is, then?
As I'm a very tactile person, it would be a case of measuring both fly wheels and torque converters to check compatibility.
Bell housing bolt pattern should be cool.

Cheers,

Thanks Simon, your information as is many others on here is worth bottling.

Yes they may be in for a shock when they see under the bonnet, there is no room at all under there!

[Dirtydog]

Subscribed with interest, i think pm'ing wax may be a good idea, he sure knows heaps about the td27/qd32.

[kiwipete]

Subscribed with interest, i think pm'ing wax may be a good idea, he sure knows heaps about the td27/qd32.

I have asked Wax shite loads but do not want to bug him too much as he has his plate well and truly full ATM, cheers.

Edit;
Besides I would like to keep this an open topic so others who may be interested in how it goes with all the ideas and suggestions, are able to view it.

[Dirtydog]

fair enough, ill see if i can find any information for you, there must be some around somewhere.

edit: found something about flywheel for ya,

No. The QD32 runs a 250mm clutch like the ZD30, VG33E, VG30E. The TD27, TD25, Z24S, KA24E/DE run a 240mm clutch

a TD27 flywheel has the same 6 bolt pattern as the QD32 crank and therefore would theoretically bolt up on the engine side. I can't comment on weight, balance or bellhousing fit but looking at them I would say it would work. However, as mentioned in a previous comment, the QD32 clutch is a different size and therefore will not bolt to the TD27 flywheel (and vice versa); the pressure plate will not line up with the guide posts, thus you would need a matching TD27 clutch. The TD27 clutch has the same spline dimensions so should bolt to the engine, but again, I can't comment on bellhousing fit with the different size flywheel/clutch, or the strength and longevity given the smaller dimensions.

http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewt ... 81&t=69460

More about manuals but there may be something usefull there.

If it is a TD25 then a TD27 or QD32 will bolt up to the gearbox that is in the car now. Note that TD27 and QD32 factory turbo intercooled engines have electronically controlled injector pumps so will need the wiring looms and computers swapped in with the engine. TD27T non-intercooled and QD32 naturally aspirated motor (which actually has more power and torque than TD27 turbo) are mechanical diesels so no need for computers.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/a ... -5471.html

Another bit here too, relating to navaras so dont know if they are the same gearbox or not.

Also this thread:
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... 46&t=28541

[kiwipete]

Thanks Dirtydog, some reading ahead for me

Looking at keeping mine an auto all the same just because I like it.

[Dirtydog]

sweet as i will keep digging around and see what i can find.

and i know what you mean about auto's, i wont be changing anytime soon, so much nicer to drive.

[kiwipete]

sweet as i will keep digging around and see what i can find.

and i know what you mean about auto's, i wont be changing anytime soon, so much nicer to drive.

I thank you.

[wax]

Ok well thanks for the heads up guys. But I really thinking simion is the guru here on all things td27

But here goes.
The qd32 and the td27t do have mechanical pumps and so are easy to use however the mechanical pumps are a dead bolt in for the electronics as well if you wanted to run a qd32eti or a zd30 for that matter, the pump is a ve4 bosch or copy.

The qd32 turbo has one more or one less I forget bolt holes in the crank and this makes it an issue as it only ever came out as an auto so fitting a flywheel will be a pain.

The td27 or td27t pressure plate will bolt to the qd32 and will work fine. However they ay be a bit revy on the torque converter due to the extra power torque of the qd32( not to much of an issue) I have not taken the auto out of a terrano but I hear getting the torque converter bolts is a thing to be feared as its not an easy job at all. Please never feel bad asking questions Im always happy to help

[passengerpete]

The td27 or td27t pressure plate will bolt to the qd32 and will work fine. However they ay be a bit revy on the torque converter due to the extra power torque of the qd32( not to much of an issue)


i was under the impression that the qd32 flywheel was 250mm ? if the td27 pressure plate bolts to it, dose the qd still only run the td27t 240mm clutch plate ? or have i missed something. so the is no point using a qd flywheel if the clutch plate is no bigger, ?

[wax]

The qd and the mistral td27t run the 250 mm clutch while the earlier td27t uses the 240mm clutch. I was and will continue to use the smaller clutch in mine. The mighty nissan gtr uses a 240mm clutch so there is no doubting the abuse a 240 can handle. Im actualy unsure as to why they even went to the 250 as it wasnt an issue before. The 250 flywheel in insanely heavy as well. Maybe a good thing for Simon and the mud crawling he does but not for me where the truck spends most of its time on the street

[Paulballz]

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The td27 or td27t pressure plate will bolt to the qd32 and will work fine. However they ay be a bit revy on the torque converter due to the extra power torque of the qd32( not to much of an issue) I have not taken the auto out of a terrano but I hear getting the torque converter bolts is a thing to be feared as its not an easy job at all. Please never feel bad asking questions Im always happy to help

Torque converter not to bad, uncase you guys ever need to know: Remove trans bottom sandwich plate, put power bar on crank bolt to stop it spinning (spin first so 1x of the 4 TC bolts is directly at bottom), an use a 14mm ring end of spanner with another spanner locked on the open end for extension leverage. Will need to use a 14mm ring spanner with the dog leg kink in end, can bend in vice to suit. Only around a 10 minute job

[motardbiker]

I have not taken the auto out of a terrano but I hear getting the torque converter bolts is a thing to be feared as its not an easy job at all.

In my experience with these said bolts, take a large pin punch and a hammer from Thor, crack thy center of thy bolt with hammer BEFORE trying to remove, and use a power bar or sliding T bar with a bit of pipe on the end to help. Also, try to use a six sided socket on the bolt head, even grind the front of the socket down as you with find the first 1 - 1.5mm is just nice chrome and round pretty looking...

[kiwipete]

OK, just reviving this post.

I went out to see the guys today and asked for a full quote, both for and exchange engine basis and to keep the old one as I have someone interested in it.

Here is what they are planning on doing;
TD fuel pump will be altered to suit the QD?
QD manifold outlet altered to suit the intercooler setup with minimal piping to intercooler
Realigning the existing intercooler to sit back in the same place.
Full service and filters etc.

They can do the job next week so I shall wait and see what the price is.

[philip121]

hi hows it going if the price to your likeing do it
you would have no hassels selling the old engine

[kiwipete]

If anyone is offring a good price for my engine
i may consider it.

[kiwipete]

Quote for full job and old engine as a swap = $3500.00 plus GST

Then there is another cert on top of that as well, humph.

[Dirtydog]

suppose when labour is involved thats not a bad price.

Maybe if you removed old engine first it would be cheaper?

always easier removing than installing lol.

what are the Parts you end up needing for manual pump conversion?

[kiwipete]

I do not have the skills/equipment to remove engine, that's why they are doing the whole job.

They are using the original pump off the TD27 engine and re-kitting it for the larger fuel flow to make it provide the same as per the ETI pump.

The breakdown was;
$1000 labour inc mods to refit intercooler
$2000 engine inc swap
$500 pump rebuild/rad fluids and filters etc etc

Just a tad more than I expected.

[Dirtydog]

Thats pretty dam cheap considering how much labour can go into it.

How much are they valuing your engine at?

[kiwipete]

Not sure but I see most QD's here in Chch are going for around 2K with a swap so it seems a good price to me.

[fullthrottle]

Pete, not sure if you are fully set on a QD32, but get in touch with Mark:

http://www.marks4wd.com/

I read his Mag and he has adaptors for just about everything. Might give you more options on the engine choice.

A nice little 289 would be great. If you can wedge one in a MkII Cortina, it'll go in the Terrano ahhh the good old days

Edit: second thoughts, an electric motor would fit right in under your bonnet

[ChurchurDan]

$3500 and they keep your engine?

[Dirtydog]

Just doing a bit of searching, theres a couple of qd32's with warranties, for around 1.5 -1.7k.

[ChurchurDan]

I think that is a bit pricey. I would be getting a few more quotes. Try Gavin at country automotive he wrecks nissans and isuzu stuff out the back of rangiora. he can also fit the motor. last time I looked at his listings on trademe he had a qd32. I wouldnt worry about cert no warrant man is going to look at you engine number and both engines look the same.
I can point you in the direction of someone to build a pump for it as well.

[Fakey]

Whats the benefit of the qd32 swap? Arent they both still 2.7L diesel? Still using the same mechanical pump, what am I missing?

Price seems pretty fair, in regards to pulling the motor out yourself ( I know youre not going to pete but someone mentioned it)
Its pretty annoying for a mechanic being handed a bunch of parts and a vehicle and being asked to put it back together
Any time/money you save removing it yourself will be taken up by the guy fitting it trying to figure out where things go

[oljamesyboy]

Whats the benefit of the qd32 swap? Arent they both still 2.7L diesel? Still using the same mechanical pump, what am I missing?

Price seems pretty fair, in regards to pulling the motor out yourself ( I know youre not going to pete but someone mentioned it)
Its pretty annoying for a mechanic being handed a bunch of parts and a vehicle and being asked to put it back together
Any time/money you save removing it yourself will be taken up by the guy fitting it trying to figure out where things go

QD is 3.2l