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On the hunt for a new wagon Selling his and hers and going for just the one.

She dosn't like driving the Disco and the Audi is to small

I have fairly clear instructions on what I am allowed to buy...
- Must be able to go over Devils Gate (Low Range 4WD)
- Have nice road manners and look nice
- Petrol (she hates diesel)
- Peppy (her words) and not guttless (see above)
- Reliable
- Roomy enough for 4 adults and dog
- Still fit in our single garage
- limited budget
We are popping out to have a look at a 2001 4.7 V8 :D Grand Cherokee tomorrow. I have done the usual goggle search but what should i be looking at, rust spots, common issues, good stuff to look for, bad stuff???
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Check out this, heaps of info on the WJ/WG http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f310/ultimate-wj-grand-cherokee-buyers-guide-1271979/

Good maintanance for the diffs and transfer are essential for the Quadra-Drive system, frciction modifier for the diff and right oil for TC, check history if you can. Ignition switch tens to wear out, 4-500 bucks to repair and/or re code key. Front driveshaft better be cardan type for offroading.
Worth getting machanical breakdown insurance for it as parts can be expensive.

What TC is in it, 242 or 247?
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Cheers for the link, interesting reading

I'm presuming it's NV247

I will read into it a bit more...
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WG/WJ, I would say stick to 4.7l V8 and Laredo if you can find one. Limiteds/Overlands have dual climate control that may develop problems with blend doors for mixing hot/cold air. Laredo has a simpler single temperature control. Problems don't always happen, but they can.

Otherwise if you are not modifying it, most things work well. Keep in mind that the rear diff is a D44A which is Dana 44 with aluminium housing. Its not the same as regular Dana 44 in TJs/ZJs/XJs or others. Front is Dana 30, which is pretty universal.

Transfer case takes a special fluid, do not use ATF or anything else. Everything else is pretty simple. Quadra-drives have front and rear LSDs from factory. The steering will probably feel a bit heavier in slow turnings. But comes handy offroad.
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Cheers TJ, the one we are looking at is a Limited... been reading about the heater issues,
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You easily check if it has that problem. My wife drives a Limited, I wasn't scared of the problem as it was nice and clean vehicle.

If you do have a problem, its not too much of a problem to fix if its just the doors that are broken. Have a read of www.blendorstore.com . From their tech section:

To read the fault codes:

    Turn on the ignition switch.
    Turn on the AZC system. The temperature settings should be displayed for both sides.
    Simultaneously hold down the AC and the Re-Circ buttons.
    Then at the same time, turn the driver’s side temperature (Left) control knob to the right (CW) one click. Release the AC and Re-Circ buttons.
    The code numbers will display one at a time with a short delay in between.

21 or 53 – Left temperature door travel to small.

22 or 54 – Left temperature door travel to large.

23 or 55 – Right temperature door travel to small.

24 or 56 – Right temperature door travel to large.

All of the above codes indicate a blend door problem. 54-56 are the most common.

If you have a 15 or 47 – Left temperature door not responding, chances are the driver side actuator motor has failed. That motor can easily be changed.

If you have a 16 or 48 – Right temperature door not responding, than chances are the passenger side actuator motor has failed. This motor is very hard to replace as it is in back of the heater box and to replace it you have to remove the dashboard and the HVAC box.

If the actuator motor does not rotate when you turn on the system, that does not mean the motor has failed. The computer shuts off the motor if it makes one revolution with no resistance.

If you have the “temperature door not responding” code, the actuator motor could still be in good working order.
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Thanks TJ,

Does place of manufacture make a difference. This one was manufactured in Austria :?:
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have heard from wreckers that they have a few which seem to, at 200k kms, have a habit of kicking a leg outa bed. Big holes in the sides of the blocks.... Id spend a bit more, go newer and get a 5.7 hemi. (which was my other option with the 80.. went with the 80, wife didn't see the sense in a pretty truck getting beaten)
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Big holes in side of engines ... not what i wanted to hear

5.7 hemi... did I mention fixed budget
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Bubba wrote:
5.7 hemi... did I mention fixed budget


dangling a carrot.... perty darned decent carrot...
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xj wrote:...perty darned decent carrot...
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Bubba wrote:Does place of manufacture make a difference. This one was manufactured in Austria :?:

I believe all right hand drive ones made in Austria, might be wrong though. I trust them better than I do the yanks :roll: done my engineering apprenticeship around there... :wink:

Another good site to check out http://www.wjjeeps.com/jmenu.htm

You can also get the build sheet if you have the VIN number: http://www.jeep.com/wccsapp/universal/J/index.jsp?appStr=wccs&titleStr=Contact+Jeep&familyStr=brand&franchise=J&actionURL=%2Fwccs%2Fbrand_forms%2Fus%2Fwebform.jsp&promotion=null&category=U
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A LandRover and now a Jeep.....
Come on mate...
Next you will be getting a Mitsubish...
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I just spoke to Bob.
He mite sell you the Singsong
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Bubba wrote:Thanks TJ,

Does place of manufacture make a difference. This one was manufactured in Austria :?:


RHD Grand Cherokees were built in Austria. They use all the same components.

RHD TJs and JKs were/are built in the US on the same assembly lines as LHD TJs and JKs.
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luckyme wrote:
xj wrote:...perty darned decent carrot...
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


I have already started convincing my wife that she should upgrade WG to newer model as we have had it for nearly 5 years now. She is nearly there, might end up with the 5.7L Hemi. May be for Christmas.
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xj wrote:have heard from wreckers that they have a few which seem to, at 200k kms, have a habit of kicking a leg outa bed. Big holes in the sides of the blocks.... Id spend a bit more, go newer and get a 5.7 hemi. (which was my other option with the 80.. went with the 80, wife didn't see the sense in a pretty truck getting beaten)


And how many 80s have you heard about with big end bearing issues or Surfs with cooked heads..... :roll:

Every make and model has an occasional bad apple in its lot.
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TJ wrote:And how many 80s have you heard about with big end bearing issues or Surfs with cooked heads..... :roll:


Plenty, but he wasn't asking about 80s or surfs. :roll:
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xj wrote:
TJ wrote:And how many 80s have you heard about with big end bearing issues or Surfs with cooked heads..... :roll:


Plenty, but he wasn't asking about 80s or surfs. :roll:


No he wasn't, but your comment may have given the impression that engine failure may be more common in 4.7 V8s as they age. I was just pointing out that big problems are possible with any make or model with age. Possible problems in 4.7s is not peculiar or more prone to it.

I have seen many of them with high mileage without a problem.
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TJ wrote:
xj wrote:
TJ wrote:And how many 80s have you heard about with big end bearing issues or Surfs with cooked heads..... :roll:


Plenty, but he wasn't asking about 80s or surfs. :roll:


No he wasn't, but your comment may have given the impression that engine failure may be more common in 4.7 V8s as they age. I was just pointing out that big problems are possible with any make or model with age. Possible problems in 4.7s is not peculiar or more prone to it.

I have seen many of them with high mileage without a problem.


for cryn out loud. heaps of 80s have never had big end shell dramas either, some have done half a million kms with no issues...... noone said throwing a rod in a 4.7 was an endemnic failure did they. move on man.
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xj wrote:for cryn out loud. heaps of 80s have never had big end shell dramas either, some have done half a million kms with no issues...... noone said throwing a rod in a 4.7 was an endemnic failure did they. move on man.


This is strange logic, OP asked for "common" problems. You brought in the uncommon failure of 4.7l V8s throwing a leg out of bed around 200k, which I simply suggested is no more common than any other make having an engine problem at higher mileage for various reason (poor maintenance comes to mind first). Now, you want me to move on? Oh well, I have definitely moved on on something, but its not what you may believe to be.
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"I have done the usual goggle search but what should i be looking at, rust spots, common issues, good stuff to look for, bad stuff???"


I pointed out "bad stuff", not necessarily "common stuff". Read the whole statement as it was written, not like some "creation theist" picking what one wants out of it.

GL bubba.

Me out (seems there can be only one person who has an opinion on all things Jeep, so I'll withdraw any further commentary on this thread. :wink: :wink: )
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xj wrote:OP
"I have done the usual goggle search but what should i be looking at, rust spots, common issues, good stuff to look for, bad stuff???"


I pointed out "bad stuff", not necessarily "common stuff". Read the whole statement as it was written, not like some "creation theist" picking what one wants out of it.

GL bubba.

Me out (seems there can be only one person who has an opinion on all things Jeep, so I'll withdraw any further commentary on this thread. :wink: :wink: )


Why resorting to personal taunts? Looks to me there is more to your response than meets the eye. From my perspective, thats your problem not mine.
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was watching roothy and the boys in a australian 4x4 action dvd the other day travelling the victorian high country, one of them was a jeep rubicon 4x4 it went every where the modified land crusiers went, was rather impressed.
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Hey you Jeep biys get fired up aye, Jeez it's ok, I was asking for opinions and I got them.

Hey Beersy, Nissan - Suk - Toyota - LR and now maybe Jeep. Gotta try them all, except anything Bob has been near. Don't want a Mitz, Sar

Back to me! Had a look at it on Friday, heated seats don't appear to work, not sure how warm they are meant to get though...
Heater fans work, AC work, but no heat, didn't put it through the testing though. Got a bit confused about what I was meant to be testing, the fan or the heat...

Got VIN details...
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Bubba wrote:Back to me! Had a look at it on Friday, heated seats don't appear to work, not sure how warm they are meant to get though...
Heater fans work, AC work, but no heat, didn't put it through the testing though. Got a bit confused about what I was meant to be testing, the fan or the heat...

Got VIN details...


Leather seats should have separate controls for each side. They will also have two settings, low and high. Ours are that way. Low setting is comfortable, but the high setting tends to be too much for my liking (too hot). I think we have used them like twice in the years we have had ours.

You should be testing for both heat and fan. If the cold blows fine, but the airflow dips or goes away completely when turned to hot then the blendoors are closed shut (or broken and dropped in closed position). If it keeps blowing but gets a bit luke warm then they are jammed in half open position. One way to check, turn one side down to lowest temperature and the other side to the highest temperature. Check if the air from left and right corresponds to settings. Then the other way around.

With VIN, you can search on the net and find out what factory build-sheet has to say about the options it left the factory with.
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