Toysafari project

[new2zukes]

Hi all, well after alot of thinking about repowering my suzuki winch truck i have decided hilux diffs wont cut the powerchange, so onto a new project. i currently have a safari rolling chassis with diffs etc no body and a hilux body which i will be cutting down. now for the hard bits, decisions on what powerplant to jam in there.
truck will be a winch challenge and club truck with the option of offroad racing if i decide to give it a crack one day. would like to put a standard LS1 motor in due to power to weight being good but am un decided on this yet. so fire away with any suggestion, what is good, what is bad etc i aim to start with this project in the next few weeks after i get rid of another project out of the garage.

martin

[Trundle]

In the drift and race scene ls1's are as piss weak as a twig on meth ,two of my customers that were running them have both gone to lsx (cast iron block) as the motors move to much and run bearings ,
Most of the people that ran them in d1 with me last season blew them at least once (gaz whiter threw a rod out of the block , ) Drew donovan crapped a crank ,
The Lsx on the other hand made 700rwhp on pump gas and were a fair price just over 10k plus gst ,
Dont get me wrong they go well but they dont stand up to prolonged periods of hate like a cast iron motor would ,
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION,
I wreck any engine i own so strong is good , in saying that i drift a rotary turbo

[new2zukes]

In the drift and race scene ls1's are as piss weak as a twig on meth ,two of my customers that were running them have both gone to lsx (cast iron block) as the motors move to much and run bearings ,
Most of the people that ran them in d1 with me last season blew them at least once (gaz whiter threw a rod out of the block , ) Drew donovan crapped a crank ,
The Lsx on the other hand made 700rwhp on pump gas and were a fair price just over 10k plus gst ,
Dont get me wrong they go well but they dont stand up to prolonged periods of hate like a cast iron motor would ,
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION,
I wreck any engine i own so strong is good , in saying that i drift a rotary turbo

thanks for your advice, think drifting will kill a motor quicker than any 4wding, lots of full on reving at top end (not that i no jack s==t about drifting) but seems like full revs all the time.

[callum007]

You can make Hilux diffs hold up to power? full cromo internals be a good start and easy to truss etc.
Like the other guy said, cast iron can be your friend for longevity.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-7-Lsx-engine-w-auto-4l60e-complete-swap-turn-key-425hp-with-warranty-/111200003314 plus shipping and that be a good place to start. 4l60 is reasonably easy to add a t case to from memory.

[shortylux]

Hilux cab on a Safari chassis? I like it!.

An LS motor would be much nicer to fit in than most other V8s.

[3VILC]

You know you want to bang a big diesel chev V8 in there It would fit the chassis, but prehaps not so much the body

[new2zukes]

yes you can make hilux diffs stronger but they can only take so much abuse especially diff heads and 4.8s are hard to come by now. also very expensive considering the safari diffs and chassis cost $400

mmmmm diesel doesnt make the same bang as a petrol, but would be good fun to play around with, very heavy though

Hilux cab on a Safari chassis? I like it!.

An LS motor would be much nicer to fit in than most other V8s.

agreed ls1 would be the best fitting v8, and thought id throw in toyota and nissan parts in the same truck as long as i dont put any landrover parts in then it should hold together

[Filthy4x4]

You know you want to bang a big diesel chev V8 in there It would fit the chassis, but prehaps not so much the body

YES Must be done.... I have this battle every time I walk past the Safari parked next to the GMC

[zukmeista]

Or you could do something different and put a 1JZ in there, common, strong, and plenty of upgrades available.

[Trundle]

Or nissan rd25det neo , or if you have some coin a r34 rb26 gtr engine , they do bolt straight up to the patrol box after all!!

[new2zukes]

im looking for v8 torque but am always looking at being a little different so will look into some other motors. thanks for the suggestions

[slidenyo]

lsx you'll pay an unnecessary premium for,
lm7 5.3 cast block alloy heads basically everything from an ls1 apart from the pistons will bolt in or on.
lq4 6.0 cast block alloy heads but set up with lower compression,
lq9 6.0 cast block alloy heads higher compression

these are factory chev v8's starting about $2800 for the 5.3 an normally around $5000 for an lq9.
they all have the standard chev smallblock bell housing pattern so anything from a glide to a turbo 400 will suit with the old trans,
if you go new head for a 4l80e over a 60 as the 60 isn't the strongest and they hate getting hot.
or in manual you may find something to suit ex military truck? or even just buy a marks adapter for the factory safari box

[oldyella]

How about a Hemi?

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/dcc-5155431/overview/



Just spend the entire build budget on an engine

[Dirtydog]

no nissan v8s yet?

VH41's and 45's are easy to come by, decent power and torque.

Not hard to match up auto boxes either apparently.

[keithal]

How about a Hemi?

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/dcc-5155431/overview/



Just spend the entire build budget on an engine

this would be a much more suitable hemi
http://www.sonnysracingengines.com/stre ... gas-engine

3 times the price of previous hemi tho

[new2zukes]

hahaha hemi bit far from the mark but yep would be a bit of fun nissan v8 would be good if i could find a complete car to transplant would like all the bits to make the job far easyer and there is no hunting for missing bits. there is an 5.0 ls1 commodore on trademe for 2.6k done 260km would be a good buy id say.

[turoa]

hahaha hemi bit far from the mark but yep would be a bit of fun nissan v8 would be good if i could find a complete car to transplant would like all the bits to make the job far easyer and there is no hunting for missing bits. there is an 5.0 ls1 commodore on trademe for 2.6k done 260km would be a good buy id say.

Theres no such thing as a 5.0 ls1. Ls1's are 5.7l

[new2zukes]

ops sorry maybe i should get my facts right then. back to google i go

[meatc]

Nissan V8s are cheap, the one in Darinz truck was like 1200 bucks, find a donor with auto and its an easy swap to patrol auto. Biggest issue is width, could be a tight fit in a lux engine bay.

Oh and when tuned for safety cause your running out of time they are a bit thirsty, at Taupo we were 27 + Litres per lap (50k)

[shortylux]

Biggest issue is width, could be a tight fit in a lux engine bay.

Yep. And the height.

[new2zukes]

Biggest issue is width, could be a tight fit in a lux engine bay.

Yep. And the height.

hammers and grinders at the ready

[new2zukes]

VH41DE-
Dry Weight: 260 kg = 573 lbs.

Size(mm) (L x W x H): L= 850mm W= 680mm H= 760mm

1uz-fe dry weight aprox 200kg
they say you can just about fit one into a 700mm box .
am not sure if the sizes all include alternator etc but it seems as if the length is the biggest difference between them both and a 1uz-fe is one of the most common v8s to put in a hilux.
personally a vh41de would be a good choice but the size/weight factor is a little scary. for $2800 you can get a front cut vh41de seems pretty good price for what it is. would save alot of hassles with wiring being able to pull apart myself.

[turoa]

VH41DE-
Dry Weight: 260 kg = 573 lbs.

Size(mm) (L x W x H): L= 850mm W= 680mm H= 760mm

1uz-fe dry weight aprox 200kg
they say you can just about fit one into a 700mm box .
am not sure if the sizes all include alternator etc but it seems as if the length is the biggest difference between them both and a 1uz-fe is one of the most common v8s to put in a hilux.
personally a vh41de would be a good choice but the size/weight factor is a little scary. for $2800 you can get a front cut vh41de seems pretty good price for what it is. would save alot of hassles with wiring being able to pull apart myself.

Seems pointless to piss around with a 4.0l v8 when you can get an ls series chev for that (both a 5.7 or a 5.3)

Much more powers (and more importantly torque), and much more reliable as well (in an offroad situation). Reason for this is no cambelts to snap, coil on plug ignition, fully tuneable computer, much easier to package. There is also much easier and cheaper power to be gained from an ls as opposed to a japanese engine.

vh41/5's are a good engine, but for the price you can now pick up an ls for, it seems a little bit pointless.

[wopass]

hahaha hemi bit far from the mark but yep would be a bit of fun nissan v8 would be good if i could find a complete car to transplant would like all the bits to make the job far easyer and there is no hunting for missing bits. there is an 5.0 ls1 commodore on trademe for 2.6k done 260km would be a good buy id say.

Theres no such thing as a 5.0 ls1. Ls1's are 5.7l

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-par ... 327853.htm

[turoa]

hahaha hemi bit far from the mark but yep would be a bit of fun nissan v8 would be good if i could find a complete car to transplant would like all the bits to make the job far easyer and there is no hunting for missing bits. there is an 5.0 ls1 commodore on trademe for 2.6k done 260km would be a good buy id say.

Theres no such thing as a 5.0 ls1. Ls1's are 5.7l

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-par ... 327853.htm

Not an ls1, just a vortec 5.3

[slidenyo]

it's an lm7 same as in my little Gemini but that's another story.
lm7 shares a lot of ls1 components heads rods just piston and block which are essentially different.
uz and vh41 etc have their merits but really if you buy yank you fall on the biggest aftermarket supply imaginable

this is an example of a stock engine plus a turbo which reputably makes 600hp,
hotrod magazine also did a series of articles on the lm7 which they managed to get 600hp out of by adding a turbo ls cam and intake manifold and valve springs.

as far as size goes well I have one in a Gemini bay and no vh41 or uz would have a shit show of being narrow enough

[Ralfie]

could try this for something different ................
http://www.turners.co.nz/Damaged-Vehicl ... /11052706/

[lexlux]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-par ... 277595.htm
for $1800 this is good value ,all wired &ready to go , has a rear sump allready thats worth a grand by its self .

[meatc]

VH41DE-
Dry Weight: 260 kg = 573 lbs.

Size(mm) (L x W x H): L= 850mm W= 680mm H= 760mm

1uz-fe dry weight aprox 200kg
they say you can just about fit one into a 700mm box .
am not sure if the sizes all include alternator etc but it seems as if the length is the biggest difference between them both and a 1uz-fe is one of the most common v8s to put in a hilux.
personally a vh41de would be a good choice but the size/weight factor is a little scary. for $2800 you can get a front cut vh41de seems pretty good price for what it is. would save alot of hassles with wiring being able to pull apart myself.

Seems pointless to piss around with a 4.0l v8 when you can get an ls series chev for that (both a 5.7 or a 5.3)

Much more powers (and more importantly torque), and much more reliable as well (in an offroad situation). Reason for this is no cambelts to snap, coil on plug ignition, fully tuneable computer, much easier to package. There is also much easier and cheaper power to be gained from an ls as opposed to a japanese engine.

vh41/5's are a good engine, but for the price you can now pick up an ls for, it seems a little bit pointless.

Donno about that, vh45, from importer into truck (hasn't been opened), big turbo and aftermarket computer, super fast safety tune (rich and down on power) 250ish rwkw on 33s. They too are coil on plug, biggest factory throttle body you can find, run common side feed injectors (subi ones fit if you want bigger) and if you wanna get serious forged bits are available ex japan. Probably the biggest down fall is the size, they are a wide V with quad cams so are quite fat sideways

[new2zukes]

been looking at prices and as far as i can see you cant get an ls1 for under 3k yet i can get a vh41de for 2.8k with all the wires still attached to car and gearbox. would prefer an ls1 due to size/weight but at the end of the day its whatever i can get for a reasonable price but still getting that v8 power. the other thing that makes the nissan v8 a positive is the ease of installing into a safari chassis. just might need to take the grinder to the hilux guards. is the vh41/vh45 sump front or rear and if front, is there a good way to make a rear one.