More bad rep.

[Zarkov]

Regardless of which side of the fence you sit, this doesn't do anyone any good. Next time you want to go somewhere and can't. here's someone to blame.

http://www.birdingnz.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3146

[shortylux]

Mmm. Not cool.

Wonder if the driver is actually a wheeler? More importantly I wonder if he is blissfully ignorant or if he is just an arsehole.

[wjw]

Shame, as we only just had the head of DOC down to talk about how good the relationship is between the 4wd clubs and DOC.

I've sent this off to some of the Combined Committee, they can decide what to do next.

[Zarkov]

Mmm. Not cool.

Wonder if the driver is actually a wheeler? More importantly I wonder if he is blissfully ignorant or if he is just an arsehole.

Just a hoon I guess.

But nowadays, ignorance ain't bliss, it's just ignorance.

[tallsam66]

Bloody idiot ....not sure we can actually stop them tho ...you get them everywhere ....perhaps retrospective abortion might sort the problem.

[wjw]

Bloody idiot ....not sure we can actually stop them tho ...you get them everywhere ....perhaps retrospective abortion might sort the problem.

I agree and you cant educate everyone, but one thing I noticed when we went down last weekend, was that the 4wd track from the SH1 bridge is blocked, we cleared a few of the fallen trees but the kids got bored, so we drove up to rossitters rd. That's not going to help :=(

[Nigel Bannan]

Shame, as we only just had the head of DOC down to talk about how good the relationship is between the 4wd clubs and DOC.

I've sent this off to some of the Combined Committee, they can decide what to do next.

Very sad to see.

I was part of a group last Fri afternoon that meet with Lou Sanderson, the new Director General of Doc, at the Rangiora Offices of Doc and the group went down to the nesting colony, in the very area shown in the photo, to show how successful the breeding program is. He was very impressed with the program itself and also how local groups like Combined to the Bird Watchers were working together.

I have put a fair amount of time and effort trying to hold it together as their are other party's in this group that do not want any vehicles in the Ashley River at all. I am not a great bird lover but more of a person that can see members of this group are and working with them to try and keep a happy medium so to maintain 4WD ACCESS FOR ALL would be of great benefit. This sort of behaviour from the general public is hard to swallow as they would have had to drive directly over one of our Combined signs.

I am sure there will be more to come once the word gets out about the actions of just a few.

Regards
Nigel

[Jerry]

Zharkov you mention in your post on the bird forum

"He's been given the opportunity to put his side of the story in another forum, but so far hasn't been forthcoming".

If you were referring to this thread in your comments the driver may not be an ORE Forum member, or a member of Combined/NZFWDA, if he isn't aware then he wouldn't have his chance to put his side of the story.

I have put a post about this on "4wding Canterbury and beyond" FB page
https://www.facebook.com/groups/164510230354870/ no one seems to have owned up to this yet and no comments from the driver (he may not be a member of this page)

You don't mention in your bird post whether you have reported this to ECAN/DOC yet, this would be the first thing to do as muppets like this don't do the 4wd community or any other interest groups any favours.

Not knowing the area that well where are the warning signs and is the area blocked off for wheeled traffic to stop this happening?, maybe some more barriers are needed to keep above said muppets out?

[mumbls]

Regardless of which side of the fence you sit, this doesn't do anyone any good. Next time you want to go somewhere and can't. here's someone to blame.

http://www.birdingnz.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3146

Is it clearly signed no 4wd access? Nesting area etc?

Did the photographer stop the guys in the 4wd?

Did you report this to the police?

I take it you are not the photographer just one holyier than thou spreading the hate.

Congrats

[tallsam66]

Its sign posted as being a bird nesting area.
But even if it wasnt sign posted not legal to interfere with endangered animals.
I have found where this idiot lives ( Joshua )....might have to go tell him error of his ways.

[Smurf]

Pass all the info onto Campbell live or similar and get them to go interview the guy

[tallsam66]

A bit of legal stuff for those that are interested.
Wildlife Act 1953
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/publ ... 78140.html
Section 63
Taking protected wildlife or game, etc
(1)No person may, without lawful authority,—
(a)hunt or kill any absolutely protected or partially protected wildlife or any game:
(b)buy, sell, or otherwise dispose of, or have in his or her possession any absolutely protected or partially protected wildlife or any game or any skin, feathers, or other portion, or any egg of any absolutely protected or partially protected wildlife or of any game:
(c)rob, disturb, or destroy, or have in his or her possession the nest of any absolutely protected or partially protected wildlife or of any game.
(1A)Every person who contravenes subsection (1) commits an offence and,—
(a)in respect of an offence committed in relation to absolutely protected wildlife, is liable on conviction to the penalty set out in section 67A(1):
(b)in respect of an offence committed in relation to partially protected wildlife, is liable on conviction to the penalty set out in section 67C(1):
(c)in respect of an offence committed in relation to game, is liable on conviction to the penalty set out in section 67E(3).

Penalties
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/publ ... 78179.html
Section 67A
Penalties for offences in respect of absolutely protected wildlife
(1)Every person who commits an offence against any of the provisions listed in subsection (2) is liable on conviction to,—
(a)in the case of an individual, imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or a fine not exceeding $100,000, or both:
(b)in the case of a body corporate, a fine not exceeding $200,000.
(2)The provisions are—
(a)section 56(5)(a) (which relates to capturing, having in possession for the purpose of liberating, or exporting absolutely protected wildlife):
(b)section 63(1A)(a) (which relates to hunting, killing, buying, or selling absolutely protected wildlife, or robbing or disturbing the nest of absolutely protected wildlife):
(c)section 65(2)(a) (which relates to receiving absolutely protected wildlife taken without authority):
(d)section 65(3)(a) (which relates to being a party to an offence committed in respect of absolutely protected wildlife)

[Zarkov]

Regardless of which side of the fence you sit, this doesn't do anyone any good. Next time you want to go somewhere and can't. here's someone to blame.

http://www.birdingnz.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3146

Is it clearly signed no 4wd access? Nesting area etc?

Did the photographer stop the guys in the 4wd?

Did you report this to the police?

I take it you are not the photographer just one holyier than thou spreading the hate.

Congrats

Don't shoot the messenger.

If you'd bothered to read the posts [particularly Nigels] in front of you, you wouldn't need to ask so many questions.

No I wasn't the photographer, so I don't know if he tried to stop the guys in the pic, but wouldn't blame him if he didn't.

The matter has been passed on to the appropriate people.

I raised the matter here because I'm a 4x4 driver [Prado] and a wildlife enthusiast. It's possible to be both.

I know from my extensive travel in NZ and from forums like this that access is a major issue for all special interest groups [trampers/bikers/hunters etc], and that often the reason for areas being placed off-limits isn't always clear to users. So one good reason for the thread is to demonstrate the cause/effect of careless use of vehicles on other users.

The other is to show idiots like the guys in the photo, how easily they can become an internet stars.

[mumbls]

For someone thats so concerned about the birds why take photos instead of taking action?

All this could have been resolved on the day, birds saved, nesting zones protected, 4wd informed of the area he was in, police contacted if necesary. Crisis avoided. Now look where your at where its going -

[Jerry]

No I wasn't the photographer, so I don't know if he tried to stop the guys

ease up dude he wasnt the photographer, just came across it afterwards

[centralnavara]

I don't even live anywhere near there but YET I know there is protected birds in that area because its been on the news, papers etc nearly every year for the last five so there is no excuses for that they done they are just plain arse holes and as the fella up the page has said its no different to clubbing seals to death in fact its worse as these birds are endangered. you have all the evidence you need to get it reported

[smurf182]

Pass all the info onto Campbell live or similar and get them to go interview the guy

I could not think of a worse idea.

Mainstream media is not exactly known for it's objective, impartial treatment of issues like this, John Campbell especially so.

The story would be '4wders murdering endangered native birds' followed by interviews with some green party idiots pushing their agenda talking about all the evils of motorised recreation. Basically tarring everyone with the same brush.

The point is moot anyway as I'm sure people on that birding forum will, rightly or wrongly, be pushing for media coverage.

[Zarkov]

Just want to say how impressed I am at the sympathetic response from most people in this thread.

As a retired truckdriver, and now full time sea kayaker/birdwatcher/photographer/4x4 guy etc, it's very encouraging to see that we're all on the same page about these issues.

[basics]

Just want to say how impressed I am at the sympathetic response from most people in this thread.

As a retired truckdriver, and now full time sea kayaker/birdwatcher/photographer/4x4 guy etc, it's very encouraging to see that we're all on the same page about these issues.

now if only the rest of the country could feel like that, every one loves being out in nature, just different ways to enjoy it.

[uptomynutsinruts]

We were down there a couple of weeks back in the river truck, saw the signs by the Ashley bridge (Rangiora) so headed downstream, saw the signs saying to avoid the powerline island, so we drove up onto the bank and avoided it, even pulled a stranded jetboat back into deeper water. Yet these smug looking dickheads (see in the photo they are smiling and laughing) give us all a bad name

[yeti]

wee article in yesterdays press...driver found and doc or powers to be are meeting said driver and educating him on the error of his ways ......would post article but cant find it on the net ...

[tallsam66]

ECAN would of taken idiot to court but couldn't due to lack of evidence.
1 Didn't know exact date it happened.
2 Couldn't find who actually took the pic so wasn't able to get eye witness account.

[Big]

ECAN would of taken idiot to court but couldn't due to lack of evidence.
1 Didn't know exact date it happened.
2 Couldn't find who actually took the pic so wasn't able to get eye witness account.

I find that hard to swallow .. as the rego and the driver are in the bloody picture.. hard to argue that he wasn't driving.. politics ...If they wanted to pursue it they would have..

[basics]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-n ... k-on-beach

[Cameron]

douchebags!
the fact his pants only reach halfway up his gruts sets the douchebag meter off the scale even more

[Pico42]

Some detail is missing in this story, but the main elements probably speak for themselves:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/queenstown-la ... -river-dip


And then there are these lucky gentlemen:

http://www.odt.co.nz/regions/otago/2997 ... plunge-4wd

[tallsam66]

Some detail is missing in this story, but the main elements probably speak for themselves:

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/queenstown-la ... -river-dip


And then there are these lucky gentlemen:

http://www.odt.co.nz/regions/otago/2997 ... plunge-4wd

That's why I carry a PLB