Foers Winch Setup

[UBZ]

Any one had any experience running a Foers Winch setup like this ? Bush truck application , not looking at hooking a god winch up to it .

http://www.4wdonline.com/Foers/Winch.html

I really like this idea of being able to winch backwards (be it only at double line pull)
Had a measure up of the Suzuki last night and i could get 750-800mm from winch to the rear pulley block , so self spooling of the winch should work fine .
But im concerned with the rope running off the rear pulley and jamming under free spool.

[UBZ]

[rokhound]

The mutt has this setup with a mid mount winch. Never needed to use as yet. (because it doesn't get stuck in the yard )

I changed the rope from running in the chassis rail to just going down the length of the truck using followers as required to guide the rope. Free spool is not as easy to do as it is on a front mount, but throw some horns on the front bar and have the rope unspooled and ready to go beforehand if you think you are going to need it.

[UBZ]

For some reason I thought you ran it in the chassis rail , but couldn't find the pics when I went looking .

Did you use a 2nd pulley block down by the chassis or just run direct from the rear pulley into the guide hoops?

[rokhound]

Just went direct to the guide hoops. The first one is about 1.5m from the rear pulley though.

[Mudde1]

I have a similar set up in my Jimny. The winch is mounted behind the fr passengers seat and faces the rear. There is a pulley block mounted at the very rear of the body and the winch rope then runes through a tube to the very front of the vehicle. works a treat. haven't quite finished the set up for winching backwards but getting very close. i have also realized that could easily set it up to be able to winch from the center of the roof, which i may or may not do in the future.
Tony

[skid]

Mike has it in the shitty rover

2s had it in the shitty hilux

Mike from down south has it in his top competitive winch truck

[mudlva]

those illustrations on 6.5 to 6.8 are crap

ie what does a double to the back and a double to the front so posed to do?

rip the winch off the floor boards would be my guess...

[The WEHI]

those illustrations on 6.6 to 6.8 are crap

ie what does a double to the back and a double to the front so posed to do?

rip the winch off the floor boards would be my guess...

either to recover yourself and the person in front/behind at the same time
or the person behind and the person in front at the same time

[DMcCready]

those illustrations on 6.6 to 6.8 are crap

ie what does a double to the back and a double to the front so posed to do?

rip the winch off the floor boards would be my guess...

haha glad I wasnt the only one thinking this!

Any competition winch guys out there with real world experience with a set up like this. do you have to think differently when winching? How much of a PITA is it if a line breaks or birdnests?

[mudlva]

those illustrations on 6.6 to 6.8 are crap

ie what does a double to the back and a double to the front so posed to do?

rip the winch off the floor boards would be my guess...

either to recover yourself and the person in front/behind at the same time or the person behind and the person in front at the same time

or for them to stay still and the winching vehicle to move in the the direction of least resistance.

ive tried the double - double method with the rear tied off to a tree as a anchor. the stuck truck stayed still and i was skidded back into the tree.
once the rear double was removed and just used a tree protector around the tree to the rear hook then it become a clean double and the stuck truck was extracted.

all of those diagrams highlighted are high winch loads with no real gain

[mudlva]

those illustrations on 6.6 to 6.8 are crap

ie what does a double to the back and a double to the front so posed to do?

rip the winch off the floor boards would be my guess...

haha glad I wasnt the only one thinking this!

Any competition winch guys out there with real world experience with a set up like this. do you have to think differently when winching? How much of a PITA is it if a line breaks or birdnests?

unsure what PITA means but

basicly with the winch mid mounted you can forget about what the rope itself is doing as it will (assuming it a good install) always level wind and do the same thing each time every time, exceptions are when you drive faster than the rope allowing a bit of slack to get in there creating a bad rope pinch point. that said this happens with the front mount winches as well.

the second benefit is that the driver can hopefully see the drum and know when the rope has no load on it and is then able to react a little quicker..
the co's job is hard enough as it is, removing the task of running/walking/crawling back down to the front of the vehicle just to ensure the rope does not bind up to one side, creating stress on the drum walls or jumping off, means he/she can have a chance to do other things like watch where the vehicle is heading or help direct etc

a bit long winded but hopefully you get my drift

[mudlva]

just worked out PITA means

When you mid mount the winch thus is something that has to be taken into consideration
Generally haven't had to much of an issue of birds nest although my new unit may prove me wrong here.
Regarding feeding a broken rope back through i ran the rope through pipe on the straight sections which make rerunning it lot easier in the bush and pulleys for any change of direction

[UBZ]

Can anyone give me some details or pictures of their setup?

Particularly
1. Distances from the winch drum to first pulley and how well the winch spools up on its own . ( I have been told 700-800mm is Recommended)
2. Removable rear pulley / fairlead setups.
3. One Pulley or two in the system?
4. Angles of rope deflection, from the pulley to the chassis guides
5. Apart from using sections or lengths of pipe, what else have people used as guides / front haswe

those illustrations on 6.5 to 6.8 are crap

ie what does a double to the back and a double to the front so posed to do?

rip the winch off the floor boards would be my guess...

As I understand it .

21 = A truck behind, you are recovering
22 = A truck in front assisting with recovery
23 = Ground Anchor / Tree etc

6.5 Allows you to recover yourself and the truck behind you at the same time. 2:1 (prob ok on road , but a bit dodgy offroad)
It is also one of the cool features of this winch setup.
It allows you to anchor the truck at both ends and then drive along the winch rope , using the winch to set tension. an example of use would be crossing a slip on a hill track where rolling is not an option.

6.6 Allows you to winch and drive, while recovering behind you (6.9 is the same I think)

6.7 Winch and Drive with 2 trucks ,while recovering behind you

6.8 Winch and Drive with 2 trucks ,while recovering behind you 2:1 (prob ok on road , but a bit dodgy offroad)

[Ashohman]

I'm going to setup my winch like this too so any info would be great PIC's are best or if someone in Auckland has a winch setup that I can come and take a good gander at that to would be great.

[mudlva]

no offence UBZ but generally people dont get to stuck on the road. and everything else described is still crap

if you are using a second vehicle as anchor then a fixed rope between the two verse a double block will be still work way better, and the excuse of not having a second rope is ridiculous.

[UBZ]

The Diagrams are from a Patent Pending , so must be sound in principle.

Anyways Pictures

An Ibex Setup




Landrover Setup


Winch Cable Layer (Dr PC Special)

[shortylux]

My comp truck had a winch mounted at the rear. It feed out the front through guides. When I needed to winch backwards I just grabbed slack rope and pulled it out the back (through a fair lead) add in a snatch block and hey presto. This deleted the potential problem of permanently running forward round a block.

My first guide point was 900 forward of the winch and always feed nicely on to my wider drum. Except when we used the rapid recovery system, then the rope made a pyramid in the middle. (But that pulled in 40m of rope in 8 seconds)

Hope that helps, pm or call if you want any more details.

Cheers.
Arron.
027 278 2556.

[kbushnz]

In my mid mount pto setup the first pulley is 700mm from the drum and it spools on just fine. Mine goes out to the front. I am currently setting up a second electric at the rear which also will run out the front but will have the ability to grab a loop and pull it back to use with a snatch block..Same as shortylux's concept... Again its about 700mm to the first fixed point.

[UBZ]

Great Info , cheers guys

I found Tu's pics from the Toymotor

Heres the pics from my old beater hilux. It originally had a pulley to go from the rear x member to the winch but it kept jumping off so slapped a snatch block in there instead. Distance from the pulley to the winch was always a little short and it never would on that well but it wasnt that bad. Just played up on long winches (you would have to get out and pull the cable over slightly.

[NOBDY]

I'd say the 700 -800mm is the minimum, it really needs to be as long as possible Aarons at 900 has probs, and I think mine was around 1100mm, that was OK. The landie pic, is a lot more than 800mm, I'd say.

With 2 mates, you can easily check if your set up is going to work. Asuming you have a winch (yours?) still mounted normally with the same rope, drum etc that you are going to use, run the rope out to a mates truck parked at about 45 degrees to yours, put a pulley block at 700mm from your fairlead and anchor this to your other mates truck (at 45 degrees to the other side)- if you do it on a short winch line you can tweak it easily. When the tension comes on (winch the first truck towards you- not your truck) checking the rope around the pulley block is centered on your winch, you can see how the rope will lay up under load. A little trial and error will show you the min length you need to lay correctly. (the length is dependent on the drum width, rope size, and a little on who many layers are wound on) eg a wide comp winch, will need a longer length, to keep the same fleet angle. Longer will allways be better.

Pic of back up winch set up to run around deck, then out front. Theory is double purchase both sides and back. Single pull out front. It takes 3 pulley blocks. And diagram, winch lines blue and orange.