Replacing a Hilux Surf Open Diff with a LSD?

Sako · Post by **Sako** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 6:26 pm

Hi - have just joined, still waiting for registration approval but have a question in the meantime. I have a '92 Hilux Surf, 3L motor, and the most frustrating thing about what is a great truck is watching one rear wheel spin and the other doing nothing! Does anyone know if its possible and what it might cost to swap in an LSD for the rear. The front has ADD 'hubs'. Cheers Bob.

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:29 pm

not an answer to ya question sorry Sako , in same boat,

Is $150 good price for a LSD, for 87 hilux surf

they dont come factory installed do they? so slim chance theres one in there already hey???

cheers
conan

SMOKEY · Post by **SMOKEY** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:54 pm

Hi Toyota friends, the LSD is a factory option in Toyota Surfs and a lot of imported vehicle had them fitted. Lift both rear wheels off the ground and turn one wheel if the other wheel turns in the same direction you have a LSD fitted. Remember a LSD is limited, if you had to buy one i would look at a locker . LockRight rear only about $900 . ARB air locker front & rear about $1800 each end. Hope this helps.
Get Dirty, FITZY.

Sako · Post by **Sako** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:09 pm

Hi Fellas - check out: http://www.brian894x4.com/Gearratiosanddiffs.html

My truck is a G282 diff - this means it is 8inch gears (G), 4.3 gear ratio (28) and 2 pinion open diff (2). Bugger.

Smokey is right - lifting and spinning the rear wheels is a good test too, mine spin in the opposite direction to each other.

I think it is possible to get a 2nd hand diff, just need to make sure its an LSD you put in!

Cheers
Bob

tomsoffroad · Post by **tomsoffroad** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:44 pm

Easy job guys. I just sold a 4.3 lsd fully recond for $500, but you should be able to get one cheaper. All hilux/surf rear diffs have the same diff head, the hiace vans are the same to, but some had 5.29:1 diffs which is the shit for big tyres :wink:

Give us yell if you need a hand, I might be able to find you an lsd centre and then just swap over the ring and pinion gears.

Sako · Post by **Sako** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 9:23 pm

Easy job eh! I wouldn't know a pinion gear if it bit me on my...

I was going to ask Lineside Auto if they have a diff, but I wouldn't know if they were selling me an 8inch, 4.3, and LSD...

If you could find an lsd centre, how much time/cost do you think it would take to swap them over??

Thanks very much
Bob

tomsoffroad · Post by **tomsoffroad** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:53 pm

Lineside will have what you want and they won't give you the wrong one either.......................... Just leave left leg at the door please!!!!!!!!

I'll see what I can dig up.

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:10 pm

another nieve newguy question for ya's......... hope you dont mind :roll:

how much work (time as well) is involved in swapping the diffs over?
do you have to move entire axle back to get it out etc or is it a bolt out bolt in thing?

conan

tomsoffroad · Post by **tomsoffroad** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:51 pm

Bolt in job :wink:

Take your driveshafts off, pull the axles out then undo the 10 or so 12mm nuts on the diff head. You should be able to do the back in about 45minute. The front will take a bit longer.
Have fun

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Wed Nov 24, 2004 7:02 pm

excellent!!!! i like the sounds of that!!!

thats good to hear aye, guy im hopefully gettin it off has two surfs making one; hes a mechanic so was offering to swap them for me $$$ .

if ya cant tell im a poor & cheap bastard

like the DIY and cost cutting ways around things...... cant weld though ( in structual purposes anyway :twisted:

) its one set back im starting to realise.

whats involved in taking the axles out?

thx
conan

tomsoffroad · Post by **tomsoffroad** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:42 pm

Rear = undo the brake lines then the 4 nuts on each side which hold the backing plate to the diff housing, pull them out.

Front = remove hubs, remove the big nut which tensions the wheel bearing, then remove the bearing carrier - you'll have to take the calipar off at some stage - pull the axles out. ( this is for beam axle fronts, IFS models I have no experience with sorry)

pinky · Post by **pinky** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:25 pm

tom you should know better lineside is the most expensive place on EARTH to buy parts it would pay to shop around .......

tomsoffroad · Post by **tomsoffroad** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:58 pm

pinky
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:25 pm

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tom you should know better lineside is the most expensive place on EARTH to buy parts it would pay to shop around .......

No shit dude................. Have another read of my post :wink:

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:05 pm

grrrr

missed out on getting that LSD today :cry:

*sniff* was really looking forward to it as well, (my tyres have done their dash; so one likes to start slipping at its own will more & more often

)

the diff woulda helped my cause a bit longa

1UZFJ40 · Post by **1UZFJ40** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:50 pm

the main reason lineside is so expensive is that they dont sell secondhand diffs, they only sell them if they have been fully reco'd.
if you can get a diff head that needs a little work i have heard that the diff shop in chch is fairly reasonable for rebuilding them, an exercise i will have to attack shortly, as alas my 70 series is a tad worn in that department

glen

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:01 am

check trade me fot your cheap LSD diffs ,, heaps on there.

tomsoffroad · Post by **tomsoffroad** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:06 pm

1UZFJ40
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:50 pm

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the main reason lineside is so expensive is that they dont sell secondhand diffs, they only sell them if they have been fully reco'd.
if you can get a diff head that needs a little work i have heard that the diff shop in chch is fairly reasonable for rebuilding them, an exercise i will have to attack shortly, as alas my 70 series is a tad worn in that department
glen

I've just reconditioned my rear diff. $190incl for the bearings etc (South Island Bearings) and about 4 hrs.
So I'd imagine that most mechanics would be around the 4-5 hundred mark to do the job. :wink:

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:00 am

Hey Conan, I just drove through Queenstown with a spare LSD on the trailer behind me yesterday... Oh, and if you are still thinking of the solid axle swap I might have the axle you need...

The diffs a 4.8 tho, and I came up with a cunning plan to use it in HiMuZu on the drive thru to Naseby so while I would have sold it yesterday I probably won't today unless the price is right

The last 2nd hand 4.3LSD I had I swapped for a whole single cab Hilux 4WD - which should give you an idea of what people will do to get one - they are a rare option in that ratio.

And as was already mentioned, while Lineside are expensive, they sell recon'd equipment with a warranty, and often have what you need when you need it, so its a trade off. They have a business to run, if you don't like their prices then buy parts of someone else, if you can find them.

Steve

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:01 pm

hahaha yeah thats true, i havent posted on this topic since november :wink:

..

#### yeah, swear i saw you on devils staircase in the izuzu draggin the trailer...

you still selling the detroits for thy surf?? would be keen for one of those

would pay ya cash rather than trade me lux, then again maybe worth the same......... hahaha nah (hope not)

tell me more about the axle.....

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 2:35 pm

Thats Mike (SupraSurf was his ID, god knows what it is now, I know he changed it) that has the detroits, although I don't know if he's got any left. Was geting another order sorted for them tho, so he'll have them soon enough.

Where is the devils staircase? I came from Ohai, round past the lake and turned right at Frankton... Was travelling through there late afternoon, early evening.

The axle is complete, but could use a rebuild (I'll sell you a rebuild kit at cost if you buy the axle, ask me off-forum about that

although it would survive without it for a while anyway) - will sell it to you with the 4.3 diff to match your back one complete for $350 - gotta look after you after the diesel pump fiasco

Also have a power steer setup for solid axle if you don't want to go crossover.

Give me a shout on 021 637 600 if you want more info

Steve

SupraSurf · Post by **SupraSurf** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 3:39 pm

SupraLux wrote:Thats Mike (SupraSurf was his ID, god knows what it is now, I know he changed it) that has the detroits, although I don't know if he's got any left. Was geting another order sorted for them tho, so he'll have them soon enough.

dats Me

Yep still got some Detroits left, drop me a PM or Mob 021344769,

Also importing some Hi-Steer arms in the next shipment, unsure of price yet but expect them to be about $500 for the set.

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:07 pm

argghghhh supras everywhere!!! cept in my truck! :roll:

yeh passed ya on the windy bit beside lake wakatipu...thats the staircase will drop you line tonight about the axle should be keen.

mike - cheers man will chek the budgie and give u the verdict, whats freight to QT or near gonna be, what sorta weight we looking at??

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:54 pm

Might sell my supra conv. complete... have an offer to buy something else that makes more noise and drinks more fuel...

Call me about 6:30ish, I'm off to a meeting at about 7:15...

You weren't the mad bastard in the white Starlet were you?

Steve

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:58 pm

oops, you are going to email... brainefade- you can email me any time

Thought I read you were going to ring me...

Steve

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:47 pm

nah your brains in working order .

sent you the email end of last week, will have to resend.
gave you a try but got noone

sort it out tommorow night?

SupraSurf · Post by **SupraSurf** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:48 pm

Conan wrote:argghghhh supras everywhere!!! cept in my truck!

yeh passed ya on the windy bit beside lake wakatipu...thats the staircase will drop you line tonight about the axle should be keen.

mike - cheers man will chek the budgie and give u the verdict, whats freight to QT or near gonna be, what sorta weight we looking at??

Free freight to QT

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:01 am

excellent

will see what i can do before end of week..

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