wanted:nissan safari pto winch or high mount

[v6hilux]

i am wanting a pto winch to fit a gq nissan safari.wanting a complete setup with cable.leaver driveshaft.pto drive.anything out there? i would also consider a 12v high mount electric winch.

[Big]

If you can find the shafts and control gear..I have just the pto winch only..good nice. .never know who got what round here. .lol

[FKDLUX]

I've got pto unit, brand new gears custom machined, fully rebuilt, new Morse cable from Nissan plus spare and levers, maybe two sets. Have pto shaft and brackets, May need bearings but I don't have a winch. Cheers Stephen

[v6hilux]

have pm you regarding the pto drive.cheers

[FKDLUX]

pm'd you also

[coxsy]

PTO winch is limited use winch really 24v electric would be a be choice

[Zooker]

PTO winch is limited use winch really 24v electric would be a be choice

Why do you say that coxsy?
I thought pto would be better.

Not that i can use one since my truck is auto.

[v6hilux]

yeah i here what your saying with the electric but my truck is badged ford maverick so it is only 12v.i have now purchased a widened pto winch but i am still after the pto unit of the side of gearbox.

[coxsy]

because the pro has a shear pin to stop it being overloaded , bronze gear is over $800 to get a new one , mine came with the PTO, so I stuck with it.
but because I have a spare one ,it on there now,the main shaft has moved inward by 5mm due to overloadeding , to be investigated, at some stage.
really add a second battery and a 12,000 lb electric winch

[mudtroll]

PTO is a far better winch than an electric. Simple, reliable much stronger. Like anything they require a little love now & again.

[mudlva]

Pto will pull all day.
If it gets heavy add a block.

Lecys are good on a shinys or doing short technical pulls but if you want to pull a whale thro bog after bog then any form of engine driven system will stand up well after the batteries have gone flat

Imho

[NJV6]

Sounds like coxy will sell you his one!!

PTO any day if you can fit one.

[coxsy]

nope , just saving him from laying under his truck to change the pins

[Ralfie]

PTO is a far better winch than an electric. Simple, reliable much stronger. Like anything they require a little love now & again.

Why then do all the winch comp vehicles in Aussie use electric?
Same goes for a lot of the European type events, they all seem to have electric winches like the Gigglepin, Red Winch, Blazer, etc.

[Big]

PTO is a far better winch than an electric. Simple, reliable much stronger. Like anything they require a little love now & again.

Why then do all the winch comp vehicles in Aussie use electric?
Same goes for a lot of the European type events, they all seem to have electric winches like the Gigglepin, Red Winch, Blazer, etc.

why is it then most winch trucks here use pto ? horses for coarses.. I say most use electric as backup winch here so yea.. just saying

[Ralfie]

PTO is a far better winch than an electric. Simple, reliable much stronger. Like anything they require a little love now & again.

Why then do all the winch comp vehicles in Aussie use electric?
Same goes for a lot of the European type events, they all seem to have electric winches like the Gigglepin, Red Winch, Blazer, etc.

why is it then most winch trucks here use pto ? horses for coarses.. I say most use electric as backup winch here so yea.. just saying

I would say that PTO is more popular here only because they (PTO) are cheaper and there is a good supply from Japanese imported vehicles.
But that doesn't make PTO better, stronger or more reliable as originally posted.
People are always breaking shear pins, drums, gears etc in the PTO's and looking for spare parts.

When you look at most of the top competitive events in Europe and Australia they use high specification electric winches such as Gigglepin, Red Winch, Blazers etc.

Then again if the PTO is so good, why the need for a back up electric winch?

[mudtroll]

PTO is a far better winch than an electric. Simple, reliable much stronger. Like anything they require a little love now & again.

Why then do all the winch comp vehicles in Aussie use electric?
Same goes for a lot of the European type events, they all seem to have electric winches like the Gigglepin, Red Winch, Blazer, etc.

The aussie didn't get the PTO, might be some import ones there now. They generally don't have to pull through thick mud as we do here, when they came over for the dennys winch challengers they had to replace heaps of winch motors.

You would have to spend a LOT of money to get the same pulling power from a electric as a PTO, extra weight with the battery power needed, some of the aussies are running 4 batteries, or you can buy a complete PTO set up for $1000. Of course they are not indestructible, turn the end plate around to give more oil capacity, run a remote oil reservoir, strong rear shear pin, weak front one.

Most winch challenge competitors run 2 winches, downside of PTO's, can't run the motor if your on your side.

[mudlva]

Biggest issue i see on if and why people run electrics verse pto is that very few vehickes from around 1990 onwards could take the pto drive unit.
If no alliwance for a pto unit to bolt to either trans or gear box then electrics is the only real option.
Just remember that a std v belt will only deliver around 4.5hp so running a hydro pump off v belts isnt much better than running a 140amp alt and batteries

As a comparasion
My pto hydraluic system can flow 85 ltr/m at 3000pd
My little bobcat requires 32hp to fliw 52 ltr/m at 2700pd
im not an engineer but to get to where my buggys fliw is at a guess i need to output around 45 to 50 hp.

As long as i can keep the oil cool then i can go all day pulling at 75-80%
Leckys will keep up on the first couple but i dont like the odds of going all day like that.

Obtw when the aussys came over they were using 1 motor per stage and when they ran thro the stadia one of the trucks used 3 motors on one stage alone.

1 of the trucks were pushing 24v thro a 12v unit to get wheel speed up. Down side was when it loaded it just shat the motor big time.
Oh yeah guys were also driving the worm gear thro the housings on the pto winches as well.
All to do with common sence disappearing as the flags drop when compotition start ah

[Ralfie]

It was 10-12 years ago for the Denny's comps when Aussies came over and competed.
Back then they were abusing the electric motors putting 24v into 12v motors.

These days electric motors are so much more efficient, faster and the development of the twin motor winches has come a long way.
The Bow 3 motors are supposedly the bees knees of winch motors and have a good reputation.

As a comparison My pto hydraluic system can flow 85 ltr/m at 3000pd

So is your winch PTO or hydraulic? In my mind PTO and Hydraulic are separate types.
Hydraulic is a separate issue yet again and requires costly set ups re pumps, line flow and sufficient oil tanks adding a lot of extra weight to the vehicle overall.

You also have to wonder how good a PTO winch is when a current owner/user of one, that has even been modified slightly, recommends to go electric.

Why does NZ seem to be so adverse to electric winches in comps when the rest of the world is embracing the technology and advancements of electric winches?
In fact UK and Europe seem to have taken on 2UP twin motor technology for low mount winches that is NZ developed and manufactured.

[mudlva]

Just to clarafiy
Its a pto powered hydralic pump set up.

Im my case yes the winch is heavy. But its also custom made.
The rest of the gear ie tank and pump would be similar to running a couple of big ass batteries.
Dont get me wrong leckys are good but with whales swimming in heavy clay bog holes like thomos then i would rather a pto system anyday

Just my opinion and i will bow out of this topic before it becomes a slinging match

Regards Rohan

[derk]

Why does NZ seem to be so adverse to electric winches in comps when the rest of the world is embracing the technology and advancements of electric winches?

Not all the world is embracing that lecky stuff go take another look at the Malaysians and their pto god winches and tell me of an electric winch that can perform anywhere near the torque and winching speed they are getting


4.48 is a good place to start watching

[Ralfie]

Good point, it is a Malaysian event but is not the International RFC.

The RFC has vehicle classes with separate classes for those with PTO and those with Electric winches.
I could be wrong but I think the RFC outlawed the "god" winch.

But none of this actually answers the question;
Why does NZ seem to be so adverse to electric winches when the Australia and Europe are embracing the technology and advancements of electric winches?

(Sorry to original poster for thread jack but it seemed original poster was in two minds re PTO or electric anyway).

[derk]

maybe your question should be why are Australia and Europe so adverse to pto winches

[Madaz]

Last years rainforest challenge was won buy a twin motored 8274 on a russian truck, and they were still competing against god winches.
Alot of it comes down to the competence of the crews, rather than the winch their packing.
A hydraulic or a pto with a broken rope cause the driver got too carried away, is a low slower that a reliable electric that keeps plugging away, good batterys and alternators have helped alot there.

Competion stuff has changed alot too, aussie stuff doesnt have the big ass winches through bonnet deep mud that NZ used to, in sayin that NZ comps dont even have that anymore.

If you have a Safari, i think You would be a fool not to run a factory pto winch, used sensibly they are a kick ass winch. Speed, power, control, and a primo freespool and if you use decent sized rope they will give you plenty of notice if your pushing them too hard.

[Twodiffs]

nope , just saving him from laying under his truck to change the pins

You don't have to lie under the truck to change the pins...you redrill the first shear pin (gearbox end) out by 1.5mm and put in
a high tensile bolt..preferably a hex bolt (allen key style).

You leave the shear pin closest to the winch - that will go first.

[nuts]

well its either is good ive been abusing my tmax for a few years and its worked its ass off evn pulled me whale out of a ditch on its side back onto its wheels doing track maintanace its also done way more than i thought it would( example blew hex shaft out the end of gearbox held it bak in with chainsaw spanner and it still kicked ass winching massive stump in tailings ,,, and pto ive watched well set up trucks using them in simmilar situations and theygo just fine its all abt maintaining them

[coxsy]

bolts over load the PTO box, simple, or do monster overload, blow the casing to bits ask 4WDbits

[Twodiffs]

bolts over load the PTO box, simple, or do monster overload, blow the casing to bits ask 4WDbits

First Nissan for 4 yrs, same HT bolt and shear pin setup - no issues!
2nd Nissan now for 7 years...HT bolt and shear pin setup - no issues!
I'll ask 4wdbits what he's doing wrong.

I've done trips with nuts too

[tuff lux]

[quote="mudlva"]Biggest issue i see on if and why people run electrics verse pto is that very few vehickes from around 1990 onwards could take the pto drive unit.
If no alliwance for a pto unit to bolt to either trans or gear box then electrics is the only real option [quote]

Perfect...

Well that's y I went elec

[dvk-kp]

What are these God winches you guys speak of??