X5 Project.

drive it ... · Post by **drive it ...** » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:30 pm

Love the something different factor. Wrap and 33 MT's look totally cool.

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:11 pm

Well not a lot has been happing on the truck, as it has been Ski season most of my spare time is spent on the hills....

I have however just purchased a welder & taught myself to weld...
Not overly pretty but exhaust is complete...

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:23 pm

So, after reading pj1 build & seeing Bud's bull bar build.. on top of now having a welder as well as a bit of a grasp on welding...
What the hell lets build one!

Got the basic framework together as well as some protection for the bottom of the rad.

next trial fitting

then onto some more details

more to come later, time to go skiing

Crawlerer79 · Post by **Crawlerer79** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:52 pm

Bumper looks great!!!! Loving the whole build! Something different

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:31 pm

Crawlerer79 wrote:Bumper looks great!!!! Loving the whole build! Something different

Cheers dude

mudsurfv6 · Post by **mudsurfv6** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:33 pm

yeah looking awesome, are you going to add tube to the winch bar or cut factory bumper up and fit around what you have made?

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:44 pm

mudsurfv6 wrote:yeah looking awesome, are you going to add tube to the winch bar or cut factory bumper up and fit around what you have made?

Plan is hoop in middle & side wings like the xrox bars prob go chunky though like on paj1 build.

callum007 · Post by **callum007** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:16 pm

Hey.
The alloy cover is a good look... not being critical, as I cant see the detail but just check everything is still ok after you first you that in anger.. its a large winch and the framework looks a little light.. especially with the mounting in shear.

Have a gander at Toms Offroads gallery to gauge if your steelwork is substaincial enough.

The Xrox bar ends are bolt on and replaceable (well mine are) so might be an option to order some replacement ends... save making them

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:24 pm

callum007 wrote:Hey.
The alloy cover is a good look... not being critical, as I cant see the detail but just check everything is still ok after you first you that in anger.. its a large winch and the framework looks a little light.. especially with the mounting in shear.

Have a gander at Toms Offroads gallery to gauge if your steelwork is substaincial enough.

The Xrox bar ends are bolt on and replaceable (well mine are) so might be an option to order some replacement ends... save making them

Its a mixture of 5mm box & angle for the mains. 3mm plate & angle for the rest. My biggest problem is the mounting to the ... cough cough chassis rails. Still gotta tie it back to the subframe for some extra strength, but yes will be keeping a close eye on it.

Did think of that however want ro go chunky-er than the xrox

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:03 pm

Nice work! Good to see a winch bar with a proper view of the drum so you can spot a snarl up before it gets serious.

In case you haven't seen it already, check out http://fozroamer.com/ - kinda similar build with a Subaru Forester.

Cheers
Clint

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:39 pm

Clint wrote:Nice work! Good to see a winch bar with a proper view of the drum so you can spot a snarl up before it gets serious.

In case you haven't seen it already, check out http://fozroamer.com/ - kinda similar build with a Subaru Forester.

Cheers
Clint

I think most manufacturers dot have view of the drum as it would look crap if they didn't have a winch, so thir thinking could be make 1 bar & sell it as both winch bar & bull bar.
So impractical, I would say 10% of my past winching would have been straight. So always getting bunched up. Need to have good view..

Na hadn't seen the subie. Looks good.

UBZ · Post by **UBZ** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:46 pm

So if your rope normally gets bunched up are you not concerned with the minimal clearance between the winch and the fan?

Nice fab work , but the winch / fan clearance is a red flag for me as with even a slight even rap of the rope it's going to hit / break the plastic fan

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:29 pm

UBZ wrote:So if your rope normally gets bunched up are you not concerned with the minimal clearance between the winch and the fan?

Nice fab work , but the winch / fan clearance is a red flag for me as with even a slight even rap of the rope it's going to hit / break the plastic fan

I had same thought, can't see it in any pic's but thereis a plate behind the winch, minimal to keep more air flow but should protect fan.. fingers crossed

Crash bandicoot · Post by **Crash bandicoot** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:27 pm

lookin good

I have made a couple winch mounts in the past for 9500 pnd winches using 50x50x5mm angle and 6mm or 8mm end plates and never had an issue with them bending, where as my m15000 warn has bent the 8mm flat plate style winch mount that is currently on paj1, (although it did have a nissan hanging off it down a near vertical embankment)

tie that in well to the monocoque chassis as many places as ya can and it should do the job.

It's all about design and load points, the bar on paj1 only has 9 pieces of steel to its whole construction and weighs less then the factory bumper with all its plastic and bolts and chrome

look forward to seeing the finished product

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:25 pm

Well thats the bull bar sorted.
IMHO better that a XROX bar. well at least a better fit...

ps: thank you all for the input & the heads up on possible issues

Thompsons track here we come

geckoadventure · Post by **geckoadventure** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:05 am

Oh very nice work and paint job.

Crawlerer79 · Post by **Crawlerer79** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:17 am

Woooooooo... looks like a beaut job! Very nice

Petemcc · Post by **Petemcc** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:14 am

time for some videos of it in action!!

Sausager · Post by **Sausager** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:39 am

I tell you, you're going to be in the most comfort of anyone out on the tracks haha

Cool build man. Go get it muddy!

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:45 pm

geckoadventure wrote:Oh very nice work and paint job.

Thats high praise I have seen your build

Crawlerer79 wrote:Woooooooo... looks like a beaut job! Very nice

Cheers Dude.

Petemcc wrote:time for some videos of it in action!!

Have the gopro ready.. still have white stuff on hills so my spare time is there while it lasts...

Sausager wrote:I tell you, you're going to be in the most comfort of anyone out on the tracks haha

Cool build man. Go get it muddy!

Hahaha funny you say that it's nick name is "Rock Baller"

Crash bandicoot · Post by **Crash bandicoot** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:36 pm

1bad4x wrote:
Thompsons track here we come

Pm me if ya have any trouble up there, i only live 15 minutes away

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:07 pm

Crash bandicoot wrote:
1bad4x wrote:
Thompsons track here we come
Pm me if ya have any trouble up there, i only live 15 minutes away

I think i'll be in trouble for just thinking about it...

SMOKEY · Post by **SMOKEY** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:46 pm

Hi, there is a saying ------ "If you can't say anything good then say nothing" ----- Your build is GOOD :- now the question, are the Red front eye bolts your recovery points ?, I will await the answer before I say any more. One more :- I know what my 4be looked like after using and abusing it is that what your plan is ?

GO FOR IT,

FITZY.

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:25 pm

SMOKEY wrote:Hi, there is a saying ------ "If you can't say anything good then say nothing" ----- Your build is GOOD :- now the question, are the Red front eye bolts your recovery points ?, I will await the answer before I say any more. One more :- I know what my 4be looked like after using and abusing it is that what your plan is ?

GO FOR IT,

FITZY.

Hahaha was awaiting a comment on the eye's na not for recovery. just for look & to hook the winch to when not in use. had to have 2 for balance..
Still working on snatch recovery locations. whatever it may be, looking at using a short strap to even the load to both sides. at the mo will just go with winching. slower but I can keep close eye on everything. will likely stick to shiny runs, (famous last words) & been on a few of them when tracks have turned pear shape, was Ok for me back then as I had the tuff truck It was high & dented..

Still remember towing a shiny new Nissan Pathfinder through a mud bog at Woodhill. After the fact it would have been 2inch thick mud caked over grill bonnet windscreen & front half the roof. took him 5 min to clear enough mud from the screen to see...

I had no mud flaps near new boggers, 6" lift & shortened tray. opps & left it in 2wd...

Cripes I hope Kama dont come back from that. He seemed to see the funny side..

Crash bandicoot · Post by **Crash bandicoot** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:22 pm

with the snatch points you are probably best to use the bar you have made to mount the hooks as the bar will take the load from the two bolts holding the hook on and the nar in itself will spread the load accross the front of the chassi of the vehicle ...as apposed to attempting to make or incorperate more mounting points on the frame of the car

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:02 pm

Crash bandicoot wrote:with the snatch points you are probably best to use the bar you have made to mount the hooks as the bar will take the load from the two bolts holding the hook on and the nar in itself will spread the load accross the front of the chassi of the vehicle ...as apposed to attempting to make or incorperate more mounting points on the frame of the car

always like to hear it from 2nd party, I am leaning that way. just gotta work out how to tie the bar back to the sub frame as I am not overly happy with the factory bumper mount. it's good & I feel happy for winch with slow steady pressure. snatch however is quite the opposite more so depending on the other driver... if I go with the bar & hooks. forged.. I was still thinking 2 & use both with a super grunty strop to balance. it more.
anyone used them?

SMOKEY · Post by **SMOKEY** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:41 pm

Ha Ha I thought they were for a practical use ----- and I don't have to say anything more,

I LIKE IT,

FITZY.

Crash bandicoot · Post by **Crash bandicoot** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:43 pm

I don't know exactly how this fits in with the body but if you can get some plates in this area with bolts right through the longitudinal sections of the frame and extend it forward to winch cradle/ bar would be the go

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:20 pm

SMOKEY wrote:Ha Ha I thought they were for a practical use ----- and I don't have to say anything more,

I LIKE IT,

FITZY.

Cheers dude

1bad4x · Post by **1bad4x** » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:17 pm

Crash bandicoot wrote: I don't know exactly how this fits in with the body but if you can get some plates in this area with bolts right through the longitudinal sections of the frame and extend it forward to winch cradle/ bar would be the go

Typed this 3x now keep getting interrupted before I post it..

Mine is a little different to the pic, I can tie it back easy enough, just not sure about rules, will welding to the subframe be a WOF thing?? I know repairs to structural need cirt, but what about an addition??

still keen to use a bridle type recovery rope (properly rated) when snatching anyone else used/uses this, results??
I know it needs to be long-ish to get steep angle..

Cheers

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