Internal beadlocks

Madaz · Post by **Madaz** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:09 pm

Is any one running Second Air or Staun internal beadlocks?
Just interested in opinons or feed back from people that are actually using them ,not just trying to sell them.

Cheers

swampa · Post by **swampa** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:27 pm

know of 2 guys running them down here in their winch trucks a couple of years ago and both have gone back to mechanical lockers

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:56 pm

I have heard that they still let crap into the beads

GQTROL · Post by **GQTROL** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:08 pm

Tim,
Have a yarn with Sam. He ran the Stauns at Norwest and is pretty happy with them, so no-doubt will be running them at SuperWinch too.

Cheers
Mitch

nuts · Post by **nuts** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:41 pm

dont know y u guys go for bead lockers :roll:

wiast of time i recon just use heavy duty innertubes wrks well for those i know that do use them

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:44 pm

nuts wrote:dont know y u guys go for bead lockers
wiast of time i recon just use heavy duty innertubes wrks well for those i know that do use them

because you get crap in the beads with tubes :wink:

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I was getting stuff in the beads at 12psi with 32" bfg muds.

DaveM · Post by **DaveM** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:55 pm

I got mud in my bfgs at 30psi :roll:

Would've thought that the Staun etc would have the advantage of locking inner and outer beads?

Not sure, just seen people pop the inner beads on mechanical bead locks before, so assume they only work on the outside?

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:18 pm

Don't know if he's started making them yet, but Rick at 4wd Accessories has made some prototypes... give him a call... he knows all about them and they'll be as good as and cheaper than anything else.

I was going to run them in my truck, but no need for what I do.

And with these you can happily run the tyre itself at 0psi with no issues...

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:47 pm

DaveM wrote:I got mud in my bfgs at 30psi
Would've thought that the Staun etc would have the advantage of locking inner and outer beads?

Not sure, just seen people pop the inner beads on mechanical bead locks before, so assume they only work on the outside?

Yes, the stauns lock both inner and outer, and the mechanicals only lock the outer. But the only time I have ever seen an inner bead pop off was on tv, and that was because they ripped the valve stem off :roll:

I have heard the stauns let stuff into the bead

callum007 · Post by **callum007** » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:25 am

go mechanical locks... unless they have really beefed up the previous designs..

heavy tubes still have valve stems torn off them when the tyre spins...
ive nearly bought shares in tube companies.. eg should have bought mech's long time ago.. tore another yesterday.

sig · Post by **sig** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:19 pm

stick to mech bead locks i saw two staun ones explode at nelson over easter and they are a pain in the arse to fit .do you really need bead locks? mine mech ones are a pain in the arse on the road (wheels wobble all over the place )great if you only go of road i let mine down to 5 on the front and 3 on the back for serious shit flinging .funny as hell to watch in the rear view mirror when A framing as well, looks like its possessed going down the road

nuts · Post by **nuts** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:29 am

callum007 wrote:go mechanical locks... unless they have really beefed up the previous designs..

heavy tubes still have valve stems torn off them when the tyre spins...
ive nearly bought shares in tube companies.. eg should have bought mech's long time ago.. tore another yesterday.

whats wrong with welding on stem protection as a few guys i know have done :idea:

lilpigzuk · Post by **lilpigzuk** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:26 am

nuts wrote:
callum007 wrote:go mechanical locks... unless they have really beefed up the previous designs..

heavy tubes still have valve stems torn off them when the tyre spins...
ive nearly bought shares in tube companies.. eg should have bought mech's long time ago.. tore another yesterday.

whats wrong with welding on stem protection as a few guys i know have done

I think he means the tyre spinning on the rim (due too low pressure), once the tyre spins the tube spins with it and the valve stems get cleanly sliced at the hole.

I wouldnt be so concerned about locking the inner bead, very rarely does that get pressure exerted on the like the outer bead does.

nuts · Post by **nuts** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:57 am

oops read it wrong :!:

bit slow today ( engage brain ) ah i see now thanks

monstr · Post by **monstr** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:13 pm

I had a set of second air beadlocks on my Nissan when i went down and did the coast 2 coast,In my opinion they were the biggest load of crap ive used,Every day i was pulling of tyres and cleaning the crap out we trid everything includeing running the second air tubes at 50psi plus but every morning would wake up to at least 1 flat tyre,I now use Swages beadlocks and even with badley bent rims they havnt let go...Cheers

JJ · Post by JJ » Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:24 pm

Nissans seem to have a problem with the internal beadlocks, Probably something to do with their weight & width. We all know Nissans are like that big bloke propped up by the dart board at the pub. Also there's to many ruts around made peaple in Suk Tonka toys.

albundy · Post by **albundy** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 9:11 pm

I don't think internal beadlocks would stop a tyre spinning on a rim. They would stop it pealing off though. I have f$@#*d an external beadlock rockhopping but then they took alot of punishment though :wink:

I am thnking of going with internal beadlocks as they don't need certing and I peel tyres off rims :wink:

Al

mudchuka · Post by **mudchuka** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:09 am

i have internal staun beadlocks and yes they do let crap in the rim, but they keep the tyre on, they are not perfect but they are cheaper than mechanicals and are good on the road,
i let my simexes down to 8psi in the rear and 10 psi in the front, they work good at keeping the beads on, cleaning the beads is a hassle but its on the list with the other maintenance chores after a thrashing, and tyre is basically tubeless so if you geta puncture it will slowly leak rather than go dead flat like a tubed tyre.
pros and cons with both.

fit a narly set of chains and dont let the tyre down, is another idea, but u cant use chains in comps.

skid · Post by **skid** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:22 am

mudchuka wrote:i have internal staun beadlocks and yes they do let crap in the rim, but they keep the tyre on, they are not perfect but they are cheaper than mechanicals and are good on the road,

how much are you paying for your internal locks, coz I always thought thet were alot dearer than mech ones???

mudchuka · Post by **mudchuka** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:41 am

mech locks are on the cheap $250 each , depending on ifit includes rims or not up to $400 each depending on manufacturerand if cert is needed.
there is new internal beadlocks on the market for $600 mark and thats for all 4. have a look in the latest 4x4 action mag.

doddzee · Post by **doddzee** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:48 am

When i got my mechanicals they cost me $150 each (incl rim) plus my time to clean them up, paint them and fit the tyres.

I run 37's, tubless and unbalanced

and have not had any problems with leaks or vibrations.

mudchuka · Post by **mudchuka** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:57 am

that is a very good price, i just looked at 4wdbits theres are $299 for 15x8 and $349 for 15x10;s the prices have got better i think in the last 2 years,