Is it better to have LSD's or lockers ?

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:54 pm

I have an 89' LJ71 that is a daily driver , currently has a 2LT ( new engine to come )I will be upgrading my diff's soon, for one the rear's worn & keeps doing pinion seals . I was going to get a powetrax "no-slip" in the rear & a 2nd hand Toyota LSD i the front , but have been reading about about Auto lockers & kinda thinking maybe i should go LSD's front & Back . Don't like the back end sliding over rocks , log's , road etc on slippery stuff with a locker , causing damage to the bodywork .

Also by the time you find a good 2nd hand LSD & rebuild it cost's like $600+ , so think i will get the Detroit Truetrac LSD's ( brand New Aftermarket Gear driven LSD carrier ) that cost like $380 US ( each ) + about $70 Air frieght ! aftermarket LSD's are alot better than stock factory units .

what do you reck'n ?

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Sun May 13, 2007 9:10 pm

combination dude...

put a tightened up lsd in aswell as an auto locker... certain people will have different views on whether the lokka should be at the front or back..

thats my plan anyways... the good part about the lsd up front is that it'll let go in a hard situation before the cv does.. :mrgreen:

rokhound · Post by **rokhound** » Sun May 13, 2007 10:12 pm

Quite right Nibs.
As most of the weight of a vehicle is being pushed, and not pulled.
I seem to remeber that a rear locker is 70% more efficient than a front one, so if only one is available, then in the back it goes.
I used to run rear locked and front LSD, and I have never broken a front CV in the 'lux. When I went to double lockers, I also put in Chromoly CV's and axles, and still haven't done a CV. (broken damn near everything else though :wink:

)

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:04 pm

im goin back to double locked

lsd up front is crap,ok as in it doesnt break anything but crap in so far as i want the locker back in the front :wink:

...mind you...the LSD i have is pretty tired :roll:

albundy · Post by **albundy** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:50 am

When my factory locker craps out in the rear of the safari, I will be putting in a Nissan LSD(better then a toyota one). Once I put the lokka up front, I found I could pull myself out of most of the shit I got stuck in previously without it. Good for pulling yourself up steep river banks. And agree, LSD up front is shiiiit.
Al

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:02 am

wopass wrote:im goin back to double locked lsd up front is crap

yes wop.. a stonkin chev needs all the traction poss..

i was meaning in a standard cv prone set up..

albundy wrote: And agree, LSD up front is shiiiit.

thats cos you miss the old nissan days of cv carnage each outing al... :wink:

i'd prefer twin locked too, but in a rusty 40 cruiser with 36's on and no power steer, think that'll be the best option for the time being..

H2OLOVA · Post by **H2OLOVA** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:29 am

albundy wrote: I found I could pull myself

Typical Nissan owner :wink:

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:33 am

H2OLOVA wrote:
albundy wrote: I found I could pull myself

Typical Nissan owner

safari_mulisha · Post by **safari_mulisha** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:35 pm

only cos nissan owners have sumthing to pull

safari_mulisha · Post by **safari_mulisha** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:39 pm

toyotas,suzukis and mitsis outta bog holes...

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Mon May 14, 2007 5:56 pm

fair enough having dual lockers in a weekend warrior 4x4 , but as a daily driver where you drive mostly on the road , until the weekend comes i meant !

plus alot of stock lockers are marginal over open anyway , so many aftermarket LSD's around , plus LSD's are used in drift ,rally cars, etc

tgaguy1 · Post by **tgaguy1** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:00 pm

Lsd in the back and Autolocker in the front. During the week the front locker is going along for the ride with it in 2wd and the hubs out.

fisho · Post by **fisho** » Mon May 14, 2007 9:56 pm

have had an auto locker in the rear and an air locker up front for about four years and that setup suits me fine. most people opposed to auto lockers havent used one.

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:16 pm

LSD in the rear & auto locker front makes sense actually , the more i think about it after reading everyones response's , especially if you need to tow a trailer on the road at times . Selectable locker in rear would be great , but expensive eh !

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Sun May 20, 2007 6:32 pm

wish i had a full floater rear , then could put manaul locks on the the ends like the front & have a Auto locker rear aswell !

fisho · Post by **fisho** » Sun May 20, 2007 9:02 pm

auto lockers in the front can lead to steering problems on slippery surfaces with the vehicle tending to sledge ahead when you want to turn.they also tend to increase your turning area.this may not be a problem in most of the areas you drive but on most of our west coast tracks you could have problems. tis is why i changed to the air locker in the front.

niblik · Post by **niblik** » Sun May 20, 2007 9:58 pm

adventures_more wrote:wish i had a full floater rear , then could put manaul locks on the the ends like the front & have a Auto locker rear aswell !

ya cant dude..

the rear axle has a captive end stopping ya being able to put a manual locking hub and accessing the spline...

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Sun May 20, 2007 10:49 pm

niblik wrote:
wopass wrote:im goin back to double locked lsd up front is crap

yes wop.. a stonkin chev needs all the traction poss..

i was meaning in a standard cv prone set up..

albundy wrote: And agree, LSD up front is shiiiit.

thats cos you miss the old nissan days of cv carnage each outing al...

i'd prefer twin locked too, but in a rusty 40 cruiser with 36's on and no power steer, think that'll be the best option for the time being..

Yip, without Longs replacing the standard CVs dont think I'd put a locker in the front just yet.

I've had my LSD head packed up nice and tight ($200 to get the pros onto it) so hopefully it will improve traction. :shock:

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Mon May 21, 2007 6:05 pm

unless you get custom axles or use other brands cut down & Splined , sounds like a dilemma having auto-lockers in a daily driver from this post , unless you have a selectable locker or even better selectanle lockers that are LSD until you push the button ( Electrac, E-Locker , etc ) drove from Wanaka to turnoff to authors pass & Chch in the pouring rain on sunday & hooned it around corners , etc - can't see myself doing that with a Auto locker in the rear ! maybe will have to go Truetrac LSD's front & back ( they're cheap direct from the US - like $1200NZ including air frieght .

fisho · Post by **fisho** » Mon May 21, 2007 7:24 pm

i dont have any trouble driving round the roads with the auto locker in the rear. a couple of cruisers and other hiluxs also have them in the rear and dont have any probs. you soon getused to them.

Petemcc · Post by **Petemcc** » Mon May 21, 2007 10:09 pm

the only time i notice the lokka is going round corners round town. on the open road i cant even tell its there. even in the wet when pushing it round windy roads.....

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Tue May 22, 2007 5:19 pm

fisho & petemc >>> cheers for that , i'm not used to driving a 4x4 with an auto locker on the road , have driven rigs that are locked offroad tho & its a huge difference . think a powertrax & Lsd are on the cards , can always swap them from one end to other , a hassle but possible !

Petemcc · Post by **Petemcc** » Tue May 22, 2007 8:08 pm

see if you can take a truck with auto lokkas for a drive on and off road. they are alot different to lockers that are just on or off. tho im sure the lsd lokkas you are looking at will be great if they work how they are meant to.

Pete

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Wed May 23, 2007 11:40 pm

check this out ( Truetrac LSD) >>>>

http://homepage.mac.com/jgreening/jeepm ... al156.html

Petemcc · Post by **Petemcc** » Thu May 24, 2007 1:00 pm

after reading that article they seem like they would not be as good as an auto lokka off road and not alot better on road. they dont lock like a lokka and the driving over the breaks thing that they talk about would be dificut to control unles you had an auto and it would suck power at times when you need it most. the lokkas really arent that bad on the road. and you can easily drive to compensate for them. I only notice them round town and they have never been a problem on the open road. they are great on gravel, they really get the power down and wont cause the truck to slide unless you push it, even when it does its easier to controll than an open diff. If you are building the truck to go off road then i dont think that theses lsds will keep up with the lokkas. for me the advantages strongly out weigh the dissadvantages. As i said before try and drive a truck with lokkas so you can make a fully informed decision.

My thoughts

Pete

Petemcc · Post by **Petemcc** » Thu May 24, 2007 1:03 pm

before you said about ones that were lsd till you locked them. that sounds like a good idea... the ones in that article couldnt do that could they?

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Fri May 25, 2007 5:27 pm

the LSD's that have the locker function are called Electrac's , made by the same company that makes the detroit locker , but i think they're limited to a few car manufacturer's , Eaton has their own brand to called the E-locker of similar principle , but i think they are similar or slightly more in price to the ARB air lockers .

Are'nt the Lokka brand auto lockers nearly identical to the Powertrax "Lockrites" ? plus there are other similar brands as the lockrites, Lokka's , etc , theirs a simalar brand called the Aussie locker , strangely enough ( contradiction ) , they're not sold in Aussie as asked the rep in the US , plus theres an EZ locker ( detroit ) & others based off the same principle . the only locker similar in design as the lockrite , that is not as harsh & doesn't make that clicking noise is the Powertrax "No Slip " .

Petemcc · Post by **Petemcc** » Fri May 25, 2007 8:23 pm

This has all been said on here before... as far as im aware all the auto lokkas are the same design just made in different places. those lsd things dont sound that good to me. but i like the idea of the ones that are lsd or locked. best of both worlds. have a read from other posts and listen to what people have to say then make up your mind.

Pete

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Sat May 26, 2007 11:57 pm

been covered heaps before actually, but still there are people around who think the Lokka , EZ & lockrite are the same as the "No Slip" - which is not the case , the Lokka.lockrite , etc are copys of the original Detroit locker but are slip in without the carrier & the "No slip" is an improvement over that design .

fisho · Post by **fisho** » Sun May 27, 2007 6:22 pm

if your worried about the clicking in the auto lockers the easiest solution is to turn your stereo up. the clicking just means it is working properly. mine is hardly noticeable in the truck, only while doing uturns on tarseal.