how heavy is your truck?

doddzee · Post by **doddzee** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:13 am

Weighed in at 2150kg :shock:

Gunna have to cut a bit more off i think.

Thats with half a tank, spare, full recovery gear etc.

AF1zuk · Post by **AF1zuk** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:22 am

85 soft top sj413 (big block - 1324cc)
ARB bar on front, lame attempt at roll cage(4 point)
and me was 1032kg. aound 950kg without me.

If 4500kg is HT weight what is less than 1000kg?

GQTROL · Post by **GQTROL** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:13 pm

2,420kg for SWB Safari, with me in it, half tank of diesel, recovery gear etc.

dazza85 · Post by **dazza85** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:41 pm

I finally put my '89 SWB Bighorn across the bridge at work ...
1800 kg
By the time I throw in all my kit ... tools HiLift etc and me
I'm guessing it would be close to 2000 kg

Rollux · Post by **Rollux** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:57 pm

LN61 with full tank, me and the missus, 1920kg. Ohh, and prob about 10kg of mud :lol:

swampa · Post by **swampa** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:09 pm

1530kg with simex, 1495 with 35 bfg's

MAHINDRACJ4A · Post by **MAHINDRACJ4A** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:14 pm

jeep should be around the 1112kg mark, havnt weighed it yet but got told that that is what the roughly weigh standerd, with the 1g-gte engine with boost winded up to 15psi should be interesting with over 250+ hp haha
cant wait, stupid freight company "FORGOT" to pick the motor up today :roll:

spanky · Post by **spanky** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:11 pm

just weighed the scudo, i was suprised how heavy it is 1190kg with 1/2 a tank .
vaughan

MAHINDRACJ4A · Post by **MAHINDRACJ4A** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:28 pm

spanky wrote:just weighed the scudo, i was suprised how heavy it is 1190kg with 1/2 a tank .
vaughan

dont you mean how LIGHT it is not HEAVY ?

QUADRACER · Post by **QUADRACER** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:06 pm

suzuki samuri standard 1.3, 31s winch removed, 1/2 tank fuel
no driver 922kgs,

kaney · Post by **kaney** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:25 pm

QUADRACER wrote:suzuki samuri standard 1.3, 31s winch removed, 1/2 tank fuel
no driver 922kgs,

then if you made it a full tank what would it be......925kgs?? :lol:

QUADRACER · Post by **QUADRACER** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:53 pm

if it had a driver with a steak & cheese pie aboard, might just make that

choppy · Post by **choppy** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:30 pm

92 prado LJ78 bin over the scales coupla times is bout 2100

xj · Post by xj » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:01 pm

Stock specs:

XJ Cherokee - Curb weight 1593kg, Gross weight 2223 kgs )(dunno how they came to that!)

TJ Wrangler - Curb weight 1464kg, Gross weight 1986 kgs

skid · Post by **skid** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 7:00 pm

skid wrote:

tow wagon, BJ74 on 33s- 2180 kg
play truck, FJ40 on 33s- 1700 kg
trailer 560 kg

total package 4440 kg

which means once I'm sitting in the tow wagon, I should theoretically have an HT licence to drive it around. Lucky the cops don't pull me into a weigh station looking like this.

so anyway, that was the old set up. This is the new set up..............

FJ40 on 33s is still the same - 1700kg
trailer is still the same - 560kg
new tow wagon, 80 Series on 33s - 2500kg

which means the whole package is now 4760kg.

the funny thing is that with the awesome pulling power of the new tow wagon, I get places faster with less effort.

long · Post by **long** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:30 pm

my ssangyong kyron weighs in at 2530 kg dry

rokhound · Post by **rokhound** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:04 pm

[quote="skid] Which means the whole package is now 4760kg.
[/quote]

That puts you in the "Hope you have a HT license" catagory then. Maximum gross laden weight is 4500 kg before you have to have one I think. (only if the law weigh's you though, or if you are unluckey enough to have a prang).

There must a large number of people who drive with heavlly laden trailers who may be unaware of this.

And before you give me shit, I don't have a heavy trade license, and my rig is more than liklely over that weight as well :wink:

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:01 am

[quote="skid]That puts you in the "Hope you have a HT license" catagory then. Maximum gross laden weight is 4500 kg before you have to have one I think. (only if the law weigh's you though, or if you are unluckey enough to have a prang).[/quote]

I looked into this on the LTSA website and had thought there was no requirement to get HT Licence as neither the tow vechicle or the trailer were over 4500kgs or over 6000kgs combined?

Would be keen to hear others definition of the rule - I would rather be operating inside the law than find I was not covered by insurance!

skid · Post by **skid** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:03 am

MNC wrote:
rokhound wrote:[quote="skid] Which means the whole package is now 4760kg.

That puts you in the "Hope you have a HT license" catagory then. Maximum gross laden weight is 4500 kg before you have to have one I think. (only if the law weigh's you though, or if you are unluckey enough to have a prang).

I looked into this on the LTSA website and had thought there was no requirement to get HT Licence as neither the tow vechicle or the trailer were over 4500kgs or over 6000kgs combined?

Would be keen to hear others definition of the rule - I would rather be operating inside the law than find I was not covered by insurance![/quote]

once the all blacks have kicked some ass, I may look into this further.
As you say, it would be nicer to operate within the law rather than outside it.
It would have to be a wanker of a cop to pull you up and weigh you though.

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:05 am

skid wrote:once the all blacks have kicked some ass, I may look into this further.
As you say, it would be nicer to operate within the law rather than outside it.
It would have to be a wanker of a cop to pull you up and weigh you though.

Must be you I can hear singing the National Anthem :lol:

Yeah I`ll keep looking too. GO THE ABs

Cloggy_NZ · Post by **Cloggy_NZ** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:03 am

It is an interesting topic and hard to keep up to play with as Land Transport keep changing the rules.
This is what I found on the Land Transport website

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Class 1 - car licence
A holder of a Class 1 learner, restricted or full licence can drive:

a vehicle that has a GLW or GCW of 4500 kg or less (this includes tractors or combinations of vehicles, but does not include motorcycles) 
a moped or all-terrain vehicle 
any campervan or tradeperson's vehicle with a GLW of 6000 kg or less and an on-road weight not exceeding 4500 kg. 
Note: a tradepersonâ€™s vehicle means a motor vehicle that has a body designed or adapted for use principally by tradepersons to carry special-purpose trade equipment or trade goods (excluding general freight).

So strictly speaking, at a GVM of 4760kg, you are over the limit on an ordinary car licence.
In addition to that there are other applicable laws as well such as if the GVM of the trailer is over 2000kg (which in this case it is) the trailer must have brakes. If the trailer doesn't have "breakaway brakes" which apply themselves should the trailer and tow vehicle part company, then twin crossed safety chains are required. (I didn't know that either

)
Another law which applies is that the whole combination should be able to stop in a distance of 7 metres or less at a speed of 30km/h. (I didn't know that one either

)

As you say, I would take an a-hole of a cop to pull you up on this. And with a decent tow vehicle like a Cruiser which is factory rated to 3500kg (correct?) there should be no issues if driven sensibly. The only thing I would keep in mind is if you have an accident (doesn't have to be your fault) and your insurance company decides to weigh your vehicle combination, you can kiss your insurance good-bye.

Looks to me like the rules could do with an overhaul. There are so many heavy tow vehicles about nowadays which you can drive with an ordinary licence, Dodge Rams and Hummer H2's spring to mind, yet to fully utilise their safe capabilities you need a HT license.
Yet a Jap tourist who has driven a tiny Nissan Micra all his life in Japan can come to NZ and jump in a 6 tonne campervan legally. Doesn't make sense :roll:

MNC · Post by **MNC** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:05 am

And here is the crazy part about this law...

With a smaller tow vehicle (which is less safe) at say 2000kgs you would be operating within the law. That just doesn`t make sense!

Guess they still have the stop within 7m at 30km/hr but surely reason would say that the guy whith the bigger tow vehicle is safer to have on the road (more stopping power and less likely to get pushed around by trailer). Just my 2c.

xj · Post by xj » Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:16 am

As you say, I would take an a-hole of a cop to pull you up on this

.

But if that vehicle is being driven on a class 1, something goes awry and the driver kills someone, are the cops also going to wear the blame because someone was doing something outside the confines of the law and they did nothing about it? Too bloody right they are cause the PC brigade will leap up and down.

Why bother having licences at all....

If you know youre braking the law in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE and you get pinged, dont blame the cop for being an a-hole, take it on the chin, you tried, you got caught, tough shit, suck it up.

rokhound · Post by **rokhound** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:32 am

xj wrote:If you know youre braking the law in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE and you get pinged, dont blame the cop for being an a-hole, take it on the chin, you tried, you got caught, tough shit, suck it up.

Hate to have to agree with this statement, but xj is right. We can plaed ignorance all we like, but I guess ultimatly the law is the law. And the cops have to uphold that.
What I would like to know though is: Can we sit our HT license using your towed rig?. If we need Ht to drive it, them should we not be ablt to sit license using it?
Thoughts on that guys.

skid · Post by **skid** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:55 am

rokhound wrote:
xj wrote:If you know youre braking the law in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE and you get pinged, dont blame the cop for being an a-hole, take it on the chin, you tried, you got caught, tough shit, suck it up.

Hate to have to agree with this statement, but xj is right. We can plaed ignorance all we like, but I guess ultimatly the law is the law. And the cops have to uphold that.
What I would like to know though is: Can we sit our HT license using your towed rig?. If we need Ht to drive it, them should we not be ablt to sit license using it?
Thoughts on that guys.

thats a goodie, someone should go and annoy an LTSA agent next week to see what response you get. I for one would be happy to sit my license in my VX with the 40 on the trailer behind.

There are so many flaws in the laws in this country, that its just not worth bitchin about really. It does make for good reading though. :roll:

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:53 pm

They had a crackdown in queenstown a couple of years ago, they fined anyone who was driving a vehicle weighing over 4.5T without an HT. Fortunately I have one... my truck weighed in at 4.9 with the digger I was towing...

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:53 pm

yeah going by this from the ltsa website technically you should have a class 2 licence

Class 2 - medium rigid vehicle

Class 2 is the medium rigid vehicle licence. A holder of a Class 2 learner or full licence can drive:

* any rigid vehicle (including any tractor) with a GLW of more than 4500 kg but less than 18,001 kg
* any combination vehicle with a GCW of 12,000 kg or less
* any combination vehicle consisting of a rigid vehicle with a GLW of 18,000 kg or less towing a light trailer (GLW of 3500 kg or less)
* any rigid vehicle with a GLW of more than 18,000 kg that has no more than two axles
* any vehicle covered in Class 1.

to be honest if you know someone who has a truck that you can use to sit the licence it is worth doing for piece of mind
if you have access to a vehicle then doing the tests is less that $200

How much does it cost?

Below are the fees for obtaining a heavy vehicle licence (class 2, 3, 4 or 5).

* Learner licence application fee: $39.30
* Theory test fee: $39.70
* Full licence application fee: $44.30
* Practical test fee: $48.90

All fees include GST and are non-refundable.

could be worth it if it keeps the evil insurance people off your back

tallsam66 · Post by **tallsam66** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:55 pm

Ok....assuming your vehicle is over the Class 1 limit.Does that also mean you should be paying road user charges (RUC).
At present you will only be paying if your deisel...but you may have to pay if your petrol & then if your diesel pay a higher rate if your diesel.

KiwiBacon · Post by **KiwiBacon** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:05 pm

wjw wrote:They had a crackdown in queenstown a couple of years ago, they fined anyone who was driving a vehicle weighing over 4.5T without an HT. Fortunately I have one... my truck weighed in at 4.9 with the digger I was towing...

I thought it was 3500kg with a rigid truck? But it was almost 10 years since I did my HT theory test. Unfortunately I farted around too long, it's now void and I have to start again.

Interestingly enough my someone I know tried to go for their HT in a truck that tared at 2500kg with weight on the back. He was told to go get a real truck. Despite needing to have an HT to drive a truck in that state legally.
He borrowed a truck which tared at just over 4T and used that for the license test.

Oh and my rig weighs 2300kg empty. Rangie with an Isuzu diesel and matching gearbox.

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:07 pm

KiwiBacon wrote:
wjw wrote:They had a crackdown in queenstown a couple of years ago, they fined anyone who was driving a vehicle weighing over 4.5T without an HT. Fortunately I have one... my truck weighed in at 4.9 with the digger I was towing...

I thought it was 3500kg with a rigid truck? But it was almost 10 years since I did my HT theory test. Unfortunately I farted around too long, it's now void and I have to start again.

Interestingly enough my someone I know tried to go for their HT in a truck that tared at 2500kg with weight on the back. He was told to go get a real truck. Despite needing to have an HT to drive a truck in that state legally.
He borrowed a truck which tared at just over 4T and used that for the license test.

Oh and my rig weighs 2300kg empty. Rangie with an Isuzu diesel and matching gearbox.

it changed from 3500kg to 4500kgs gvm when they changed to the new look licenses

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