http://www.stuff.co.nz/4148980a10.html
Read the story on the link above. Would this be compatible with many petrol engines in NZ? What would be the benefits (other than to be allegedly cleaner burn than pure petrol).
Any comments or thoughts. Don't want to try and have my oxygen sensor or other sensor go up in smoke.
Kiwi-made milk-based biofuel on the way
Funny, I was just taking a break from a essay I'm writing about the dairy industry and its competitiveness globally and locally.
I might yet use it, chairs.
The one thing that got me (you probably picked up on it to) was the comment 'It will be pitched to New Zealand drivers of recently-imported vehicles...' is that the quiet voicing of it only being usable for more modern cars?:?:
I think giving the nature of the piece 'NZPA', you will have to do your own research about it. Try Fonterra directly, or Gull.
Oh yeah, if Im not wrong it will have a higher octane rating should be over 100, some benefit there, run leaner.... more boost or comp.
That and ethanol has fewer short carbon chains, when it burns it typically (condition specific) burns with fewer nasties.
As Homer Simpson so aptly put
More gas for me ass..... more fuel for me mule
I might yet use it, chairs.
The one thing that got me (you probably picked up on it to) was the comment 'It will be pitched to New Zealand drivers of recently-imported vehicles...' is that the quiet voicing of it only being usable for more modern cars?:?:
I think giving the nature of the piece 'NZPA', you will have to do your own research about it. Try Fonterra directly, or Gull.
Oh yeah, if Im not wrong it will have a higher octane rating should be over 100, some benefit there, run leaner.... more boost or comp.
That and ethanol has fewer short carbon chains, when it burns it typically (condition specific) burns with fewer nasties.
As Homer Simpson so aptly put
More gas for me ass..... more fuel for me mule
I know, I was trying to find out the definition of "newer cars" - I have '01 is that new? Apparently not.
I went to Gull website (http://www.gull.co.nz/) and this is what they say:
I wonder what Jeep NZ would say if I ask them about suitability!
You are correct about having higher octain rating, but some of the components (particularly fuel pump seals and injectors) may not like Ethanol.
I might keep digging and see what comes up.
I went to Gull website (http://www.gull.co.nz/) and this is what they say:
Which cars can run on Gull Force 10?
As is the case with all fuels, it is important to consult your vehicle manufacturer before converting to a new grade of fuel. Gull Force 10 is a modern fuel option so it’s better suited to newer vehicles. Just check with the manufacturer before you step up to use Gull force 10. However, many older vehicles can use bioethanol blended fuel.
Will my car get the same fuel economy from Gull Force 10?
Ethanol contains more oxygen so your fuel will burn better, however ethanol contains slightly less energy than petrol. Some studies overseas have shown more fuel economy, and some have shown less. We believe the overall affect will be minor – similar to the difference between summer and winter grade petrol that few people notice now.
I have heard that there is less energy per litre in Gull Force 10
There is slightly less energy due to the ethanol content of the fuel BUT ethanol contains extra oxygen giving better combustion. The overall energy difference will be minor – similar to the difference between summer and winter grade petrol that few people notice now.
I wonder what Jeep NZ would say if I ask them about suitability!
You are correct about having higher octain rating, but some of the components (particularly fuel pump seals and injectors) may not like Ethanol.
I might keep digging and see what comes up.
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Ethanol is already used in fuels in NZ but not at quite the same concentration Govt are targeting 5%, currently getting over 10% to stay mixed in fuel can be an issue (for home producers). Running it now your car (EFI) it will run slightly richer (less carbon in exhaust).
Ethanol will absorb more water than normal petrol so if your 4x4 sits for a long while between uses then you may want to use normal fuel or keep the tank low, also Ethanol burn's slower (more completely but slower) but is higher octane so you can get some back through timing.
Most modern cars can handle ethanol already no changes, some have rubber components in the fuel system that will be affected by ethanol but very few. It will also be slightly more corrosive in the fuel tank and your fuel filters may get clogged as the crap in the bottom of the tank is eaten and passed to the filter in smaller parts. If it is sold into Mexico then it is ethanol compliant and the US is increasing their ethanol content in fuel too.
I have been advised boat motors are more prone to problems with ethanol based fuel, not sure if this is 2 stroke only or not?
The thing is Milk per litre is about the same as Petrol so I am not sure if this is a process done on a by product or not?
I ran my lawnmower on pure moonshine up the sounds
it was down on power but the fuel smelt good and the exhaust wasn't bad too!
Hope this help's yall (sorry had to)
Ethanol will absorb more water than normal petrol so if your 4x4 sits for a long while between uses then you may want to use normal fuel or keep the tank low, also Ethanol burn's slower (more completely but slower) but is higher octane so you can get some back through timing.
Most modern cars can handle ethanol already no changes, some have rubber components in the fuel system that will be affected by ethanol but very few. It will also be slightly more corrosive in the fuel tank and your fuel filters may get clogged as the crap in the bottom of the tank is eaten and passed to the filter in smaller parts. If it is sold into Mexico then it is ethanol compliant and the US is increasing their ethanol content in fuel too.
I have been advised boat motors are more prone to problems with ethanol based fuel, not sure if this is 2 stroke only or not?
The thing is Milk per litre is about the same as Petrol so I am not sure if this is a process done on a by product or not?
I ran my lawnmower on pure moonshine up the sounds
it was down on power but the fuel smelt good and the exhaust wasn't bad too!
Hope this help's yall (sorry had to)
Steve_t647 wrote:Ethanol will absorb more water than normal petrol so if your 4x4 sits for a long while between uses then you may want to use normal fuel or keep the tank low, also Ethanol burn's slower (more completely but slower) but is higher octane so you can get some back through timing.
Timing is controlled by the PCM, can't fiddle with it.
Steve_t647 wrote:Most modern cars can handle ethanol already no changes, some have rubber components in the fuel system that will be affected by ethanol but very few. It will also be slightly more corrosive in the fuel tank and your fuel filters may get clogged as the crap in the bottom of the tank is eaten and passed to the filter in smaller parts. If it is sold into Mexico then it is ethanol compliant and the US is increasing their ethanol content in fuel too.
My fuel tank is plastic, so no issues of rust. Checked in the factory manual and it says its okay to use 10% ethanol blend fuel (but not E85 which is 85% ethanol).
Steve_t647 wrote:The thing is Milk per litre is about the same as Petrol so I am not sure if this is a process done on a by product or not?
I have visited the Edgecumb plant where Ethanol is produced, and its a bye product. But news at 6:00 said Gull is marketing it at 1.61 per litre, so don't really see any financial benefit.
timotheus wrote:Thats the arsehole thing about marketers, we (cant speak for them all.... most of us anyway) will take what ever advantage we can. In this case its environmentally conscious people. Cost means very little to selling price its a value thing. If people will pay more, we will ask more and make more.
I can't possibly be environmentally conscious - I drive a 4x4!!
I know, I would have tried it if there was some financial benefit for using a bye product for 10 percent of your product. But I guess when Gull is competing against gin and vodka to buy and put it in petrol, then the real winner is Fonterra.
it is all bullshit
Ethanol comes from whey, which is the by-product of the cheese making process. (Remember little miss muffet, eating her curds and whey?) curd is the component that has the whey drained off, then it is pressed (and other stuff added, salt etc) and cured, and hey presto, cheese!
I'm not exactly sure what the process is to turn whey into ethanol, but I'm pretty sure it's some kind of distilling/fermenting type thing. We were told a little about it on a course we did, but it was a while back....
I do know that fonterra was running their own car on the blend for about 3 or so years, with no noticable problems. I think it was a hyundai or daewoo or something weird like that.
Anyway, I'll ask some questions at work on monday and see what I can find out.
I'm not exactly sure what the process is to turn whey into ethanol, but I'm pretty sure it's some kind of distilling/fermenting type thing. We were told a little about it on a course we did, but it was a while back....
I do know that fonterra was running their own car on the blend for about 3 or so years, with no noticable problems. I think it was a hyundai or daewoo or something weird like that.
Anyway, I'll ask some questions at work on monday and see what I can find out.
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Goose wrote:Ethanol comes from whey, which is the by-product of the cheese making process. (Remember little miss muffet, eating her curds and whey?) curd is the component that has the whey drained off, then it is pressed (and other stuff added, salt etc) and cured, and hey presto, cheese!
I'm not exactly sure what the process is to turn whey into ethanol, but I'm pretty sure it's some kind of distilling/fermenting type thing. We were told a little about it on a course we did, but it was a while back....
I do know that fonterra was running their own car on the blend for about 3 or so years, with no noticable problems. I think it was a hyundai or daewoo or something weird like that.
Anyway, I'll ask some questions at work on monday and see what I can find out.
This means that Pork will have to go up in price as by feeding pigs whey you can reduce the grain (meal) costs by up to 75% it does take a while thou to condition to the pigs to eating whey instead of meal.
To change whey to alcohol leave apprx 200 litres in you 2 axle trailer with the lid open then have some kids come down and close the lid. Turn up 2 days later after the trailer has been sitting in the Waikato sun and then open the lid dam nears blows you off the catwalk on the trailer and believe me the fermentation that has gone on has realy worked.
This was back in the early 90's so with global warming it proably doesn't need 2 days
