Finally some progress on the 'Lux

[Jafa]

Well after finally recovering from about 3months of glandular fever :pukel:
I am back into the Hilux project full speed :bluecap:
I got a 7mge from a mate of Suprasurf's in Chch, and have that sorted as far as engine mounts, transmission xmember etc goes.I have raised the engine and drivetrain 75mm to match the body lift and that gets rid of anything hanging down under the rails. New mounts fabbed out of Chromo tube onto the chassis, used the steel block mounts from my ratty ole 5m, and the rubber mounts from the original 2l diesel, fits together nicely.



Although you cant see it here, I have actually finished the x member and I'll post some more pics tomorrow nite.



Here is my fully rebuilt g-box and transfer case, couple of bearings on their way out and a bent fork making changes from 2nd to 3rd a little differcult, other than that not much wrong, tf case was mint, just needed everything washing bigtime. I have a genuine FSM so I hve all the correct clearances etc to check. All was good
You can see the little panel on the side of the tf case that I will be using as a PTO to drive my hydraulic winch. Will machine up a complete pto unit from scratch to bolt on the side, mite add a couple more bolts too. dunno if i trust just 4.
Going to machine up a twin stick setup for the tf case too, this gives you 2wd low range as well as the normal gears. Quite easy to do when you see how the tf case works.
You can see some of the new x-member bits sitting on the chassis in this shot too, really had to replace the 2 by 2 thats there at the moment



Just another shot of the motor sitting in its home, looks like it was meant to be as far as looking factory!, mid ninties 7mge out of a Cressida, bolted to a belhousing out of an early eighties 5mge Supra, using supra clutch,flywheel,bearing, and fork, and all that bolted to a 1989 Hilux box and tf case and it all bolts together!, I love it, too easy

[tomsoffroad]

Is a good swap aye.
Got a question........ Do you think that your engine mounts welded to the chassis will last? Could be wrong but from what I can see, I think they will tear out of the chassis.
Are you planning on gusseting them?

[SupraLux]

Geez... thats the second time in as many weeks someones 'commented' about someone elses welding (I know, I was the recipient of the first one )

They look fine to me - engines a bit high, but thats to clear the high-steer setup with the front bowl sump I presume.

The tube looks like its notched over the corner of the chassis rail... which should brace it pretty well I would think.

My 2c

PS: Thats lookin awesome dude... Just think, when we both recover from our respective illnesses long enough to get our trucks finished we might actually get to meet up somewhere and go play... I'd say November 2007 is looking good for me right now

[Jafa]

Is a good swap aye.
Got a question........ Do you think that your engine mounts welded to the chassis will last? Could be wrong but from what I can see, I think they will tear out of the chassis.
Are you planning on gusseting them?

Hi Tom, yes I was planning to gusset them to the coil towers when i fit them and mebbe one goin forward too, but as Steve says they are notched over the corner of the rail as well.

hey look fine to me - engines a bit high, but thats to clear the high-steer setup with the front bowl sump I presume.

Not so much the sump bowl, gonna go with a mid bowl from a 7mgte or a 4m. More to raise the trasnsfer case and match the bodylift so the rad fits nicely etc.

[suzolla]

Hi Jafa,
Was the PTO mounting point on the T/F case on there as standard or is it something you have added to the case.
Thanks
Tim

[Jafa]

yer standard on mine, but i dont know how common they are. I have anotha case without it. very very rare in the US but I think more common here and in Oz, its the bit that bolts on there thats as rare as hens teeth, but they are available, just not strong enough for the job I want it to do

http://www.omfb.it/web_eng/catalogo/scheda_prod_leg.asp?id=06700500139&f=134&r=16&l=174&lingua=ENG

[SupraLux]

From what I have seen the PTO output seems to be common on NZ New models - G52 4-speeds anyway.

Haven't really noticed them on W-series boxes from Surfs...

Regards

Steve

[eatenfuller]

heaps around and if ya know the source theres pto drives that bolt staight on aswell

[SupraLux]

Thats kinda ellusive - c'mon, spill the beans...

Steve

[Jafa]

Yer c'mon Eatenfuller show us the way to PTO enlightenment!

[klompy]

Yeah jafa all PTO's have torque limits and when exceeded break teeth or blow bearings.But judgeing from your cad gear and work done your obviously switched on and know that.Your project looks mint and you should be proud.Top job.

[Jafa]

Yeah jafa all PTO's have torque limits and when exceeded break teeth or blow bearings.But judgeing from your cad gear and work done your obviously switched on and know that.Your project looks mint and you should be proud.Top job.

Hi Klompy, yer all the pto's I have looked at have needle roller bearings except a really beasty lookin Mitsi one that had tapered rollers. Most of them had cast gears too . They dont attach to the case very strongly either, I reakon thats why the gears go, coz there's too much flex between the pto housing and the case, then they jump teeth then boom no more pto.
I hope to remedy all that in my custom built unit

[DieselBoy]

Purely outa curiosity, and at the risk of thread jacking, what did you find/opinion/short commings with the Nissan PTO unit??

I hear the problems occur at the winch end with the worm drive winding its self outa the housing.

Hard to find anyone that knows there stuff and has analysed one.

I have neither of the above

I can't even find a drawing of the internals anywhere.

[Jafa]

Hey DB, I dunno about Datto ones, I couldn't find anyone with one apart for me to look at! Most of the ones I saw were light commercial truck ones, Canters,Dyna's etc. If ya find someone with a Datto one I'd love to have a look at it

[DieselBoy]

Me and you both!!!!

I'll try my luck on OL again, but PTO's are not common over there!!

[eatenfuller]

yes the worm drives on pto winches all have the same fault e.g when people dont use the correct gear oil in the winch drum ,and people that are bogged up past the top of there tyre and dont use a snatch block.

the winch drum worm gear are only a bronze property which is a very forgiving and is an easy wearing property ,thats why peple make up stronger gears for them to stop the teeth getting stripped unnder continuous load ups (thompsons track for example)

[DieselBoy]

What sorta oil should be used??

I'm running a fully synthetic 90w hypoid gear oil with the level plug rotated 180 degrees on the winch housing to permanently submerse the main shaft and bushes in oil.

Is there something better out there??

[eatenfuller]

theres no one down here in the south but i know a guy up in whakatane il dig ya out his number db(its a little more expensive than normal final drive type lubes but it nice and thick with all the good properties)(its been a while since ive got some but ill pm ya details when i find his number db)

[klompy]

Hey jafa if you have'nt got one I've got a transfer case with the PTO plate on. You can have it to set up on.Just let me know how to get to you if you want it.