wgtnnewbie wrote:ok ok ok hails i'll remove the rovers and the jeep from the list. still tossing up over cruiser or safari...least the list is getting smaller

Sorry guys and gals, slightly off-topic but this is important....
Mate, mate, mate.....
Have you lost your nuts? Ditching the only two original 4wd manufacturers in existence? All the rest are just cheap copies. Jeep was the very first, followed very closely by Land Rover. Then some Jap saw these and thought "####, brilliant idea, we can make those too" So they make them in their millions. And they have too because the flippin' things keep rusting away. How many Jap 4x4's from te '50's, 60's, 70's, heck even the '80's are still on the road today? There is the odd FJ40 Cruiser which dates back to somewhere in the eighties, but over half of those are held together with bog, No.8 fencing wire and zip ties and have plywood doors because the originals fell of their rusted hinges some 20 years ago.
Compare that to 70% of all Land Rover ever made are still mobile and in use. And the vast majority of Willys Jeeps which survived the 2nd World War and subsequently being bulldozed into a hole in the ground by the Yanks, are still going strong too.
So here we are in a market flooded by late-ish model, smelly Jap import diesel 4x4's. A very large proportion of Jap 4x4's on here have been lifted, fitted with larger tyres, diff lockers, winches, you name it, if it is an aid to try and make them perform better off-road, they seem to get them fitted. Why is that?
Is it done to keep up with or only just out-perform old school Land Rovers and Jeeps
OK, enough stirring the shit from this corner

1992 Land Rover Discovery V8i, 5 speed, 12000lbs winch, Salisbury rear, 110 front, 65mm spring lift, dents in every panel, Rallywoods pinstriping.
