Nth. Canterbury Waipara Gorge Access Update
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Steve_t647
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I wonder if Mike could get the paper recalled or stop further distrubution due to the front page image and the owners rights. Or charge a nominal fee for use say $5 per printed copy and have the money go towards maintaining the site, but we have to play fair for this to happen.
Also if we ask they may allow the publication of the article.
Such a pity the council, land owners and the community do not see the additional money we bring in buying fuel, food, batteries, crc, drink, tyre repairs, anything to repair the vehicle if something goes wrong (rad hose, fan belts alternator etc) and wine as we pass through. Pretty confident no-one in my family will visit the region for anthing other than 4wding. Good thing Sheffield and other communities recognise and encourage us to visit and spend our money.
I think now my company will be giving away Marlborough or Central Otago wines, and drinking them at the christmas work event's too, we were looking local (CHCH) this year but NZ wines are local to my customers, and 99% of our customers are overseas being an award winning exporter fortunatley I was given this exact task (selecting 5 wines) this year.
I will encourage other companies that have similar plans to do this also, and provide recommended wines and a bulk purchase to engourage this.
Edited for spelling and to remove company name and add last paragraph one other company on board (keen hunter and 4wder)
Also if we ask they may allow the publication of the article.
Such a pity the council, land owners and the community do not see the additional money we bring in buying fuel, food, batteries, crc, drink, tyre repairs, anything to repair the vehicle if something goes wrong (rad hose, fan belts alternator etc) and wine as we pass through. Pretty confident no-one in my family will visit the region for anthing other than 4wding. Good thing Sheffield and other communities recognise and encourage us to visit and spend our money.
I think now my company will be giving away Marlborough or Central Otago wines, and drinking them at the christmas work event's too, we were looking local (CHCH) this year but NZ wines are local to my customers, and 99% of our customers are overseas being an award winning exporter fortunatley I was given this exact task (selecting 5 wines) this year.
I will encourage other companies that have similar plans to do this also, and provide recommended wines and a bulk purchase to engourage this.
Edited for spelling and to remove company name and add last paragraph one other company on board (keen hunter and 4wder)
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Leithfield
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I would draw members attention to my earlier post:
Request, read, and reflect on the newspaper articles which have appeared.
Kevin Dougherty
Public Relations Officer
Southern Region
O.R.E. National 4x4 Assoc. Inc.
Leithfield wrote:Subsequent to formal request made under the Official Information Act 1982 & the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987, I took delivery of an interesting package today - copy of the Waipara River Protection Group submission to the Hurunui District Council, and the report to Council by Manager Environmental Services on the 27th September 2007.
In respect of the fact that these documents contain sensitive information, I will not table them in public forum; however, I would advocate that all members of Off Road Express, the Canterbury 4WD community, and the New Zealand Paper Road Society exercise a legal right and request release from the Hurunui District Council (HDC).
I urge that you are polite of the HDC, and there is ability to table your request thus:
email framework:
To: mayor@hurunui.govt.nz
c.c: mburton@ministers.govt.nz (Minister of Local Government)
Your Name:
Address:
Dear Sir,
Request for release under the Official Information Act 1982 & the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987
Under provision of the above Acts, I am writing to request that the Hurunui District Council release to myself all records in respect of the submission made by the Waipara River Protection Group and subsequent Council proceedings.
Yours faithfully,
(name)
Request, read, and reflect on the newspaper articles which have appeared.
Kevin Dougherty
Public Relations Officer
Southern Region
O.R.E. National 4x4 Assoc. Inc.
Last edited by Leithfield on Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Thanks Kevin.
This is a very sensitive matter and it has been brewing for a number of years ( A lot longer than some of you guys have been 4wding I'd be prepared to wager). Basiclly, we need to chill out here, have a lonmg hard think about what your actions, and try not to put a negitive spin on our reaction on a PUBLIC FORUM.
We are being closed out of a lot of places now days. I believe a lot of this has to do with a public image as portryed on TV, but a huge amount has to do with the fact that guys can build serious weapons of destruction with out any knowledge of how to use them. (ie: if you are running are big tyres, there is no need to go rushing into every obsticle like a bull at a gate, try and drive it slowly at first. You won't get stuck, and if you cease forward motion, just back up and have another go.)
This is simple "Tread lightly" shit here folks. We don't need to be branded as total enviromental outcasts. We just need to act in a positive manner, and have this portrayed to the public eye.
And I know it hurts when we see the damage we see done by Motorbikes, walkers, and mountain bikers. But hey "shit happens"
My 2 c worth any way ( and probably over valued at that!)
This is a very sensitive matter and it has been brewing for a number of years ( A lot longer than some of you guys have been 4wding I'd be prepared to wager). Basiclly, we need to chill out here, have a lonmg hard think about what your actions, and try not to put a negitive spin on our reaction on a PUBLIC FORUM.
We are being closed out of a lot of places now days. I believe a lot of this has to do with a public image as portryed on TV, but a huge amount has to do with the fact that guys can build serious weapons of destruction with out any knowledge of how to use them. (ie: if you are running are big tyres, there is no need to go rushing into every obsticle like a bull at a gate, try and drive it slowly at first. You won't get stuck, and if you cease forward motion, just back up and have another go.)
This is simple "Tread lightly" shit here folks. We don't need to be branded as total enviromental outcasts. We just need to act in a positive manner, and have this portrayed to the public eye.
And I know it hurts when we see the damage we see done by Motorbikes, walkers, and mountain bikers. But hey "shit happens"
My 2 c worth any way ( and probably over valued at that!)
Ugly is a state of mind..... and the state of my truck!
PR wrote:monaro427 wrote:no need to get nasty there pr it was just a suggestion that it be removed so there wouldn't be anymore ammunition against the website and any of it's members geez take a chill pill
I dont like being called and idiot and told to grow a brainYou dont know me nor do you know what I have done in the past
you obviously don't know Suprasurf either
***Got the balls, just ain't got the bucks***
With regard to the issue of Copyright of pics on the site.
Maybe Mike could put a smaller Banner on each page saying that all pics are copyright etc etc etc .So as to warn people that pics arent for free use.That way people have no excuse to say" I didnt know etc "
Cheers
Trev
PS Im also still waiting for the info requested under Official Info Act.
Maybe Mike could put a smaller Banner on each page saying that all pics are copyright etc etc etc .So as to warn people that pics arent for free use.That way people have no excuse to say" I didnt know etc "
Cheers
Trev
PS Im also still waiting for the info requested under Official Info Act.
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Leithfield
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The articles published in the Outlook and Hurunui News are in potential compromise of more than just copyright violation, and I would suggest that Mike not approach in person, rather he follow the prelimary process for registration of formal compliant as mandated by the New Zealand Press Council:
http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/complain.html
Complaints Procedure
If you have a complaint against a publication you must complain in writing to the editor first, within 3 months of the date of publication of the material in issue. Similarly complaints about non-publication must be made within the same period starting from the date it ought to have been published. This will acquaint the editor with the nature of the complaint and give an opportunity for the complaint to be resolved between you and the editor without recourse to the Press Council.
If you are not satisfied with the response from the editor (or, having allowed a reasonable interval, have received no reply) you should write promptly to the Secretary of the Press Council at PO Box 10-879, The Terrace, Wellington. Your letter should:
(a) specify the nature of your complaint, giving precise details of the publication, (date and page) containing the material complained against. It will be of great assistance to the Council if you nominate the particular principle(s), from the 13 listed in the next section of this brochure, that you consider contravened by the material; and
(b) enclose the following:
copies of all correspondence with the editor;
a clearly legible copy of the material complained against;
any other relevant evidence in support of the complaint.
The Press Council copies the complaint to the editor, who is given 14 days to respond. A copy of that response is sent to you.
You then have 14 days in which to comment to the Council on the editor's response. There is no requirement for you to do so if you are satisfied that your initial complaint has adequately made your case.
If you do make such further comment, it is sent to the editor, who is given 14 days in which to make a final response to the Council. Full use of this procedure allows each party two opportunities to make a statement to the Council.
The Council's mission is to provide a full service to the public in regard to newspapers, magazines or periodicals published in New Zealand (including their websites) regardless of whether the publisher belongs to an organisation affiliated with the Council. If the publication challenges the jurisdiction of the Council to handle the complaint, or for any other reason does not cooperate, the Council will nevertheless proceed to make a decision as best it is able in the circumstances.
Members of the Press Council are each supplied prior to a Council meeting with a full copy of the complaint file, and make an adjudication after discussion at a meeting of the Council. Meetings are held about every six weeks.
The Council's adjudication is communicated in due course to the parties. If the Council upholds a complaint (in full or in part), the newspaper or magazine concerned must publish the essence of the adjudication, giving it fair prominence. If a complaint is not upheld, the publication concerned may publish a shortened version of the adjudication.
There is no appeal from a Council adjudication. However, the Council is prepared to re-examine a decision if a party could show that a decision was based on a material error of fact, or new material had become available that had not been placed before the Council.
In circumstances where a legally actionable issue may be involved, you will be required to provide a written undertaking that, having referred the matter to the Press Council, you will not take or continue proceedings against the publication or journalist concerned. This is to avoid the possibility of the Press Council adjudication being used as a "trial run" for litigation.
The Council in its case records will retain all documents submitted in presentation of a case and your submission of documents will be regarded as evidence that you accept this rule.
The foregoing points all relate to complaints against newspapers, magazines and other publications. Complaints about conduct of persons and organisations towards the press should be initiated by way of a letter to the Secretary of the New Zealand Press Council.
The Press Council will consider a third-party complaint (i.e. from a person who is not personally aggrieved) relating to a published item, but if the circumstances appear to the Council to require the consent of an individual involved in the complaint it reserves the right to require from such an individual his or her consent in writing to the Council adjudicating on the issue of the complaint
Kevin Dougherty
Public Relations Officer
Southern Region
ORE National 4x4 Assoc Inc.
http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/complain.html
Complaints Procedure
If you have a complaint against a publication you must complain in writing to the editor first, within 3 months of the date of publication of the material in issue. Similarly complaints about non-publication must be made within the same period starting from the date it ought to have been published. This will acquaint the editor with the nature of the complaint and give an opportunity for the complaint to be resolved between you and the editor without recourse to the Press Council.
If you are not satisfied with the response from the editor (or, having allowed a reasonable interval, have received no reply) you should write promptly to the Secretary of the Press Council at PO Box 10-879, The Terrace, Wellington. Your letter should:
(a) specify the nature of your complaint, giving precise details of the publication, (date and page) containing the material complained against. It will be of great assistance to the Council if you nominate the particular principle(s), from the 13 listed in the next section of this brochure, that you consider contravened by the material; and
(b) enclose the following:
copies of all correspondence with the editor;
a clearly legible copy of the material complained against;
any other relevant evidence in support of the complaint.
The Press Council copies the complaint to the editor, who is given 14 days to respond. A copy of that response is sent to you.
You then have 14 days in which to comment to the Council on the editor's response. There is no requirement for you to do so if you are satisfied that your initial complaint has adequately made your case.
If you do make such further comment, it is sent to the editor, who is given 14 days in which to make a final response to the Council. Full use of this procedure allows each party two opportunities to make a statement to the Council.
The Council's mission is to provide a full service to the public in regard to newspapers, magazines or periodicals published in New Zealand (including their websites) regardless of whether the publisher belongs to an organisation affiliated with the Council. If the publication challenges the jurisdiction of the Council to handle the complaint, or for any other reason does not cooperate, the Council will nevertheless proceed to make a decision as best it is able in the circumstances.
Members of the Press Council are each supplied prior to a Council meeting with a full copy of the complaint file, and make an adjudication after discussion at a meeting of the Council. Meetings are held about every six weeks.
The Council's adjudication is communicated in due course to the parties. If the Council upholds a complaint (in full or in part), the newspaper or magazine concerned must publish the essence of the adjudication, giving it fair prominence. If a complaint is not upheld, the publication concerned may publish a shortened version of the adjudication.
There is no appeal from a Council adjudication. However, the Council is prepared to re-examine a decision if a party could show that a decision was based on a material error of fact, or new material had become available that had not been placed before the Council.
In circumstances where a legally actionable issue may be involved, you will be required to provide a written undertaking that, having referred the matter to the Press Council, you will not take or continue proceedings against the publication or journalist concerned. This is to avoid the possibility of the Press Council adjudication being used as a "trial run" for litigation.
The Council in its case records will retain all documents submitted in presentation of a case and your submission of documents will be regarded as evidence that you accept this rule.
The foregoing points all relate to complaints against newspapers, magazines and other publications. Complaints about conduct of persons and organisations towards the press should be initiated by way of a letter to the Secretary of the New Zealand Press Council.
The Press Council will consider a third-party complaint (i.e. from a person who is not personally aggrieved) relating to a published item, but if the circumstances appear to the Council to require the consent of an individual involved in the complaint it reserves the right to require from such an individual his or her consent in writing to the Council adjudicating on the issue of the complaint
Kevin Dougherty
Public Relations Officer
Southern Region
ORE National 4x4 Assoc Inc.
Last edited by Leithfield on Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Once again a valuable and informative thread has been filled with bullshit... PR, if you knew SupraSurf at all you'd know he is a foundation member of this site, with a huge amount of knowledge and skill that he passes on to other members. A little respect would go a long way. His post to you was valid in that you were over the line, your reply was childish - and a prime example of why so many of those skilled foundation members no longer post here.
I'm about done with this horseshit. From here on in people are either going to get their account suspended or they will be permanently removed.
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As for this thread - Kev, I'm appalled that you were actually assaulted... I'll ring you later as I'd like a copy of the outlook for a look-see... as a no-longer local I don't get a copy delivered to my lap any more...
I'm also appalled that members feel they need to clean out their albums to stop others using them for the wrong reasons. Watermarking photos is a possible solution, but it ruins the photos for legitimate viewers. Legal recourse is probably the best solution - go after those who breach the copyright and nail their ass to the wall. Is there a retrospective copyright fine that could be imposed? A royalty per published image? Where are the 4WDing lawyers when you need them...
Steve
Once again a valuable and informative thread has been filled with bullshit... PR, if you knew SupraSurf at all you'd know he is a foundation member of this site, with a huge amount of knowledge and skill that he passes on to other members. A little respect would go a long way. His post to you was valid in that you were over the line, your reply was childish - and a prime example of why so many of those skilled foundation members no longer post here.
I'm about done with this horseshit. From here on in people are either going to get their account suspended or they will be permanently removed.
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As for this thread - Kev, I'm appalled that you were actually assaulted... I'll ring you later as I'd like a copy of the outlook for a look-see... as a no-longer local I don't get a copy delivered to my lap any more...
I'm also appalled that members feel they need to clean out their albums to stop others using them for the wrong reasons. Watermarking photos is a possible solution, but it ruins the photos for legitimate viewers. Legal recourse is probably the best solution - go after those who breach the copyright and nail their ass to the wall. Is there a retrospective copyright fine that could be imposed? A royalty per published image? Where are the 4WDing lawyers when you need them...
Steve
fweddy wrote:Have we confirmed it is a photo from here, if albums have been deleted there is less way to prove that.
The photo conserned is in mikes photos under Ore traning day and the photo just has a number on nowhere does it say it is wiapera so unless they was there they would not know where it was but in my album it was listed as wiapera
Sorry to have hijacked this thread have started new one in off topics under Newspaper Articles
Kev
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hosehustler
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we could always purchase the Waipara river, or form a syndicate 
check it out
http://www.wrightsonrealestate.co.nz/se ... country=nz
check it out
http://www.wrightsonrealestate.co.nz/se ... country=nz
I hate signatures
worzel wrote:fweddy wrote:Have we confirmed it is a photo from here, if albums have been deleted there is less way to prove that.
The photo conserned is in mikes photos under Ore traning day and the photo just has a number on nowhere does it say it is wiapera so unless they was there they would not know where it was but in my album it was listed as wiapera
Sorry to have hijacked this thread have started new one in off topics under Newspaper Articles
Kev
found it
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules.php?set_albumName=album151&id=DSCF1925&op=modload&name=Gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php
we could always purchase the Waipara river, or form a syndicate Laughing
Interesting you say that - just the other day there was a forsale sign by the ashley bridge. Was going to get a photo but I see its fallen down but still there. But then Doc has claims a fair portion of the Ashley now. My Bro-in-law gets area maps for pest control monitoring and has some interesting data on it as to who owns what.
Sold my 1985, BJ74 MWB Landcruiser, rear locker, 33" MTs, snorkel, PTO winch, solid bars all round, spotties, AM CB etc.
Now just a 1994, 1kz Surf, pretty standard.
Now just a 1994, 1kz Surf, pretty standard.
I wonder if 1 of the people who is part of the group that made the submission to the council is the landowner who runs 4wd tours of the gorge?
If so is this just a back door way of him getting exclusive acceess to this area?
If he is part of the submission I wonder if he has informed the council of his conflict of interest.
If so is this just a back door way of him getting exclusive acceess to this area?
If he is part of the submission I wonder if he has informed the council of his conflict of interest.
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Steve_t647
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It should be noted we (the 4wd community) are not against controls limitations and preserving the areas we have. Most of us enjoy our sport and the enviroment and places we can do it, but to block or restrict an area with no consultation or valid research into the cause of damage to the eco system.
Just because my gran is 99 and can no longer walk ride a horse orget around any other way to see places they are excluded. I would like to know if any vehicle access is allowed to the river Jetboat? Local Farmers? commercial ventures? and what their wash down requirements are before going to the river and fencing property's for a 10M buffer between farm animals effluent chemicals (fertilizer and spray's) getting washed into the river and leaving the river to maintain its quality.
Pity I can't test water samples to identify causes
Just because my gran is 99 and can no longer walk ride a horse orget around any other way to see places they are excluded. I would like to know if any vehicle access is allowed to the river Jetboat? Local Farmers? commercial ventures? and what their wash down requirements are before going to the river and fencing property's for a 10M buffer between farm animals effluent chemicals (fertilizer and spray's) getting washed into the river and leaving the river to maintain its quality.
Pity I can't test water samples to identify causes
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Leithfield wrote:I would draw members attention to my earlier post:Leithfield wrote: ... Waipara River Protection Group submission to the Hurunui District Council, and the report to Council by Manager Environmental Services on the 27th September 2007.
In respect of the fact that these documents contain sensitive information, I will not table them in public forum; however, I would advocate that all members of Off Road Express, the Canterbury 4WD community, and the New Zealand Paper Road Society exercise a legal right and request release from the Hurunui District Council (HDC).
I urge that you are polite of the HDC, and there is ability to table your request thus:
email framework:
To: mayor@hurunui.govt.nz
c.c: mburton@ministers.govt.nz (Minister of Local Government)
Your Name:
Address:
Dear Sir,
Request for release under the Official Information Act 1982 & the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987
Under provision of the above Acts, I am writing to request that the Hurunui District Council release to myself all records in respect of the submission made by the Waipara River Protection Group and subsequent Council proceedings.
Yours faithfully,
(name)
As the Outlook and Hurunui News have kindly facilitated public lead-in, I can confirm that at this point in time no one is barred from access, all the H.D.C. have responsibly proposed is to:
"... coordinate a meeting between Environment Canterbury, The Department of Conservation, Land Information New Zealand, Fish and Game Council and the Council to establish:
1/ The need for motor vehicle access controls in the Waipara river and
2/ Establish a lead organisation to drive a strategy if considered necessary".
ORE is a public forum and therefore under public scrutiny; do not confuse fact with supposition, exercise your rights under law to ensure you are making informed judgements.
Any issues to be addressed with the Outlook and Hurunui News in respect of copyright infringement are the domain of the original owner and website management; similarly, anyone potentially defamed from publication by virtue of an implied association with editorial content has cause for complaint/redress.
Kevin Dougherty
Public Relations Officer
Southern Region
ORE National 4x4 Assoc Inc.
I just received the documents i requested under the Official Information Act....all 158 pages of them.
Im still reading it ...very interesting so far.
If any CHCH people want to see the document private message me & we can discuss.I wont be scanning any of the documents as this isnt a secure place to post such items.
BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU POST HERE AS WE ARE BEING WATCHED !!!!
Cheers
Im still reading it ...very interesting so far.
If any CHCH people want to see the document private message me & we can discuss.I wont be scanning any of the documents as this isnt a secure place to post such items.
BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU POST HERE AS WE ARE BEING WATCHED !!!!
Cheers
tallsam66 wrote:I just received the documents i requested under the Official Information Act....all 158 pages of them.
Im still reading it ...very interesting so far.
If any CHCH people want to see the document private message me & we can discuss.I wont be scanning any of the documents as this isnt a secure place to post such items.
BE VERY CAREFUL WHAT YOU POST HERE AS WE ARE BEING WATCHED !!!!
Cheers
Interesting reading indeed, mine arrived today too.
Dont like some of the acusations either....................
Ok people, move along. Nothing to see here. Thank you, move along.
Ph 0212078472
Ph 0212078472
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