Starter motor:New,2nd hand;recco?

3rnzir · Post by **3rnzir** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:07 pm

Which is the better option.For a Safari.New obviously sounds best.Big bucks.Almost $1600 from Repco.Is there any tests that can be preformed on 2nd hand starters?

timotheus · Post by **timotheus** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:26 pm

I dont like nissans....

Does the Nissan Atlas one fit?
Someone will know.

albundy · Post by **albundy** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:28 pm

Yeah, you can hook it up to a battery, short it out to ensure it throws the wheel out and it turns. 2nd hand should be no more then $250. I carry both a spare alternator and starter as these are the tow most likely things to shit themselves out bush and it's a real biatch push starting a safari.
Al

Mattman · Post by **Mattman** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:51 pm

I would go and get a price on a rebuild from a few auto sparkies. It should be significantly less than $1600.

If the pinion/clutch and armature are okay then usually all it will need is a set of bearings, new brushes and new solinoid contacts.

For a full rebuild you could replace the pinion/clutch and get the armature machined and the shoes rewrapped but unless they are needed then it's not worth it.

Matt.

3rnzir · Post by **3rnzir** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:33 pm

Local wrecker had a 24volt SM for $250.Gave this to my local auto sparkie to renew and replace parts as needed.Old SM sure looked munted once stripped down abit.Will get back with final price for parts and labour soon.Should be up and running tomorrow.Thanx for your help men.
Out..

Mattman · Post by **Mattman** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:02 pm

If you ever want to bench test a starter you must apply a load to the pinion to make sure that the starter is turning with enough power and that the pinion clutch if fitted is working properly.

Clamp the starter in the vice and lever a piece of timber against the bench against the pinion. You should be able to apply a LOT of force to the timber without stopping the pinion.

Matt.

3rnzir · Post by **3rnzir** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:15 am

Got the bill the other day.Costs go like this.Armature machined,New bearing.Strip and inspect/clean both starters.Call-out.Remove re-instal both starters.$302:00.Sound about right price wise?Stay tuned till next bit of gear craps out.Oil pumps for instance,do you wait for them to fail,or replace it?Same thing,new,2nd hand,recco`d.
Cheerz

albundy · Post by **albundy** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:24 am

I am of the opinion that if you know something is going to shit itself soon or looks a bit dodgy then replace it. I go new where I can then buy secondhand and reco it. Just had to replace the water pump, cluthch is all new, the only thing old is the pedal.

Al

giovanni · Post by **giovanni** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:22 pm

A good honest auto sparky will do a NEW or REBUILT one from a reputeable wholesaler i.e.Pan Pacific Auto Electronics,SPARK SHOP,etc,etc

Mattman · Post by **Mattman** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:44 pm

These days on most small-medium size vehicles it's cheaper to do a new unit than it is to rebuild the old one. The labour cost is nearly more than the new unit.

$300 sounds a bit steep if it was just to machine the armature and replace one bearing on one starter. A full rebuild should involve more than that as well. No mention of brushes?

Matt.

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:28 pm

These are the prices I got for a starter for my 2.8 Saf

New, genuine, ex japan, $1500

Pinion/clutch assembly, Genuine, new, ex japan, $600

Pinion/clutch assembly aftermarket. $196

Rebuilt starter, exhange, $280

Starter 2nd hand ex wreck, Unable to find as of yet.

(as prices + gst)

So, Ive gone for the exchange option. Its my clutch that has given up, so I may as well pay the extra $80 and get the whole item with a warrenty

And dont hassle me about my 2.8, Id rather have one over a 4.2 any day of the week.

giovanni · Post by **giovanni** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:33 am

4.2 starter would be less than NZ$900 retail including GST new from a good honest auto sparky.You fit and no exchange required.

3rnzir · Post by **3rnzir** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:15 am

Mattman:No brushes.With that price.

Mattman · Post by **Mattman** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:51 pm

Pretty much always do brushes unless they are nearly new.

Most starters are a two hour job to tear down and rebuild and test.

Matt.

nibbla · Post by **nibbla** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:44 pm

hi i should be able to get you one for 600 denso brand ,parts are available at any autosparky shop for repairs further down the track