cert for all lifted suspension

adogg · Post by **adogg** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:45 pm

I saw in a "wof news" flyer today to look out for vehicles with raised suspension,and that they all require lvv cert and that it raises the centre of gravity bla bla bla,is this bullshit or what!! I have only a 50mm lift in my 80`series with OME gear and it handles 200% better than the stock crap,anyone else seen this yet???

worzel · Post by **worzel** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:52 pm

Had herd from a mate who works for LTSA that there was something along those lines but from what he said it was more to do with body lifts as they had been told to look for lift blocks and if they were fitted that they required a cert

Kev

xj · Post by xj » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:56 pm

page 8: (or is it page 9... been a while since i looked)

http://www.lvvta.org.nz/CertThresholdSc ... il04V3.pdf

suspension lifts with "blocks" require certs, if those blocks are over 50mm. Spring and shocks lift only require certification IF original mounts are modified.

all body lift blocks require certs (although i cant find anything on it in the lvv threashold after just having a quick nosy)

philux · Post by **philux** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:59 pm

Managed to get a wof today, with 50mm spring lift and 50mm body lift (apperntly its 75mm and over, also depends if the see it under there), just need to put some flares on the guards, then its road legal again

( 4months late)

adogg · Post by **adogg** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:21 pm

interesting!!will have to bring the info sheet home and duplicate it here for all to peruse!! sounds like crap to me,surely if you can lower a car with no hassles you can lift one too!!! :twisted:

DaveM · Post by **DaveM** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:42 pm

philux wrote:Managed to get a wof today, with 50mm spring lift and 50mm body lift (apperntly its 75mm and over, also depends if the see it under there), just need to put some flares on the guards, then its road legal again ( 4months late)

All depends on the wof issuer.
Mine passed with a 4" lift, custom trailing arms, adjustable panhards, and drop boxes :roll:

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:43 pm

adogg wrote:interesting!!will have to bring the info sheet home and duplicate it here for all to peruse!! sounds like crap to me,surely if you can lower a car with no hassles you can lift one too!!!

Id be keen to see it as I am hopeing to get around cert for my 2inch
body lift :wink:

mudmike · Post by **mudmike** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:30 pm

Need to be careful was told by insurance assessor that even if you have a new warrant and you have any mods that don't comply you are not covered. He said his job is to find loop holes to stop paying out. He said he likes big wheels on 4x4's anything over 5% change needs cert, so standard 31" and your running 33" you need a cert or no insurance.
Only what I was told

mercutio · Post by **mercutio** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:39 pm

mudmike wrote:He said his job is to find loop holes to stop paying out.

it is people with his job that make me really hate insurance companies :evil:

any excuse to get out of paying after we have been paying them for how long :evil:

i hate insurance companies :evil:

:instagib:

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:headshot: :sniper:

tallsam66 · Post by **tallsam66** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:05 pm

mudmike wrote:Need to be careful was told by insurance assessor that even if you have a new warrant and you have any mods that don't comply you are not covered. He said his job is to find loop holes to stop paying out. He said he likes big wheels on 4x4's anything over 5% change needs cert, so standard 31" and your running 33" you need a cert or no insurance.
Only what I was told

If the mods were why the accident happened i can see the logic in denying a payout...but cant see justification if it wasnt he cause.

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:59 am

As mentioned elsewhere - a WOF is not a "get out of jail free" card... if you've got a WOF with a truck that should be certified then you may as well not have one at all... Its really up to the owner of the vehicle to make sure their truck is legal, and while the WOF guy could get a smack on the back of the hand (in fact you're putting his business at risk by not telling him about your mods), you could lose your truck, your ability to ever get insurance and possibly your freedom if your uncertified mods show to be the cause of an accident that kills someone else. Certification is not that expensive in the grand scheme of things...

As for suspension lifts, as long as they use the factory mounts you should not require any cert... regardless of the height of the lift... this is what I have been told by my certifier. Body lifts are a cert issue tho - any body lift regardless of height... probably because I have seen them done with chopped pieces of box section steel, skateboard wheels, chopping boards, etc... where spring lifts are not often done in a booty-fab kind of way.

Steve

PS: Moved this from off-topic to a more relevant section...

DaveM wrote:
philux wrote:Managed to get a wof today, with 50mm spring lift and 50mm body lift (apperntly its 75mm and over, also depends if the see it under there), just need to put some flares on the guards, then its road legal again ( 4months late)

All depends on the wof issuer.
Mine passed with a 4" lift, custom trailing arms, adjustable panhards, and drop boxes

Steve_t647 · Post by **Steve_t647** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:17 am

The reason this works is if you state in court you were driving it illegaly the case will be thrown out and you will end up with traffic infringments thrown in as well.

If you read the fine print in any insurance terms and conditions you will se a line like the following on mine.

"use of the vehicle in a non-warrantable state, use of the vehicle in competition"

They also have the right inspect the other vehicle as well to find a fault so if you get run into they can go back to you for a share of the costs be it you a repair company or anyone other than themselves, the best situation you can be in is both are insured by the same company, they usualy just get it done based on who is in the wrong.

I also declared to the Insurance company that it was certified and listed the modifications so I get an as capable vehicle back. If you do not they can replace the 4wd with the standard model that they have on the books.

Henry · Post by **Henry** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:20 am

The problem with changing from a 29" tyre to a 33" tyre is it is not mentioned on the certification. If you change the rim size that will get certified. Does anyone know how the Insurance co would check? I have got mine certified and told the insurance co but it is not really documented.

Steve_t647 · Post by **Steve_t647** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:28 am

They may look to see if the Speedo is calibrated as that is one of the checks the Certification man would do (I think). They only have a limited amount of space on the cert plate but they do take photo's as well for their own records.

The cert guy also has a lot more notes on what was done when it was certified than you think, this is to protect themselves in case anything happens.

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:32 am

Steve_t647 wrote:They may look to see if the Speedo is calibrated as that is one of the checks the Certification man would do (I think). They only have a limited amount of space on the cert plate but they do take photo's as well for their own records.

The cert guy also has a lot more notes on what was done when it was certified than you think, this is to protect themselves in case anything happens.

Yes, they note the tyre sizes on the paperwork, along with the tyres speed ratings, road legality of the casing etc... and yes the speedo is checked for +/- 5% calibration...

Steve

DaveM · Post by **DaveM** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:36 pm

Steve_t647 wrote:The cert guy also has a lot more notes on what was done when it was certified than you think, this is to protect themselves in case anything happens.

Depends on how competent they are. I got a copy of all notes when my case went to court and the $hithead lied through his teeth, even though I was taking the car yard to court, not him!

Just about bought an $18000 lemon thanks to this guy, luckily I got a small amount of compensation to try to put the vehicle right.

I've lowered mine since the wof until the turbo is fitted and will put everything back on for the cert to cover my butt

adogg · Post by **adogg** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:24 pm

anyone else here got a wof ticket? this "wof news" article turned up at work yesterday,and it said cert for all spring lifted vehicles :evil: