engine problem??

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:38 pm

i have just got my sj413 running today!! but its not running very well?
like its missing etc......i pulled the oil filler cap off and its blowing smoke out of there and it also is blowing smoke from dipstick hole??
is this bad??

coxsy · Post by **coxsy** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:42 pm

yes can be , usally the ring are gone blowing past the rings on compression heness fumes

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:02 pm

or the PCV is blocked and preventing the recirc of gasses from the crank case which when pressurised can do all sorts of wierd things.....

get someone who knows what they are doing to look at it, it may not be as serious as you might think. :wink:

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:04 pm

what is the PCV? oh yeah i took it for a run down the street and it had no power?

meatc · Post by **meatc** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:05 pm

Sounds terminal :cry:

The one in mine did that when i bought it. It would blow smoke out the rocker cover breather to above my head before becoming a mushroom cloud.

Pulled head off and the pistons all had major slop. Bought another one for $300. Now changing for bigger motor. Sold suk one though.

Toss it and put somethng bigger in. You know you want to :twisted:

But bugger really :cry:

rangimotors · Post by **rangimotors** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:08 pm

its just a 1 way valve should come off the tappet cover and just be a hose with a plactic thing that looks like a joiner in it, it'll prob go to the intake manifold, you should be able to pull it off and blow through it. its job is to realise that crank case pressure but not allow it to suck any in.
Thats how i undersand them any way, don't no zuk's

wopass · Post by **wopass** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:09 pm

Ryan wrote:what is the PCV? oh yeah i took it for a run down the street and it had no power?

crank case ventilation valve. there is a pipe/tube comming out of the side of the block or rocker cover somewhere and it has a little one way Valve in it then goes to the intake manifold or carb base somewhere. sucks all the gasses out of the crank case and prevents pressure inside there which pops seals and causes major oil leaks.

meatc · Post by **meatc** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:22 pm

pcv valve goes into inlet manifold between rocker cover and carb. pull the tube that comes out of rocker cover top middle. You dont really need the PCV its part of the emmisions reduction but you do need to ensure crap cant get down hole. Needs a little filter.

No power sounds bad but :cry:

Could also try a compreesion check. Book says compression should be standard 199psi and min 170psi with a max variation of 14.2psi

coxsy · Post by **coxsy** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:25 pm

sending his a sketch ex mustang repair manuel

rangimotors · Post by **rangimotors** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:26 pm

it would be interesting if you put it under water without the valve in and it just venting, i think you would find an engine full of water with the temp change im pretty sure it would suck like a school boy

rangimotors · Post by **rangimotors** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:30 pm

saying all that i would still do the easy things/checks first but if its smoke rather than fumes/pressure and its doing things like blowing the dipstick out the its probably your rings, turbo cars have the issure that if the valve fails (not blocked in or out) or someone takes the valve out you get all your boost pressure in your sump and it'll blow th dip stick out and probably most of the oil.
Simple things first mate

meatc · Post by **meatc** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:36 pm

rangimotors wrote:it would be interesting if you put it under water without the valve in and it just venting, i think you would find an engine full of water with the temp change im pretty sure it would suck like a school boy

If you ave water all the way up on top of the rocker cover you have prob got bigger issues but i had mine plumbed into the air filter box which was ttached to he snorkel just in case.

Ryan

If you want PCV valve diagrams PM me your email and i'll scan the Haynes manual and email it to you.

coxsy · Post by **coxsy** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:42 pm

if it a suzuki one will be better than my scan for him

meatc · Post by **meatc** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:07 pm

finally got the vodanet to play the game :evil:

and sent suzuki hayes manual pages.

From what he sent me could just be stuck valve but coud be terminal.

meatc · Post by **meatc** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:50 pm

any updates :?:

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:27 pm

yeah pcv working well :cry:

i am looking at different engine options at the moment trying to find a 94 barina or swift with the injected g13b for an easy swap.....I might take it to rallywoods on the 10th and cane the arse off it??

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:56 pm

ok update....... compression test done, the haynes manual says standard compression is 199psi and minimum is 170psi with max variation between cylinders is 14.2psi,............ mine numbers are as follows:
number 1: 190psi
number 2: 140psi
number 3: 120psi
number 4: 180psi
so im thinking it may be a head/head gasket problem between 2 and 3?? but i cant find any traces of water in the oil or vise versa?? and the smoke from the oil filler is getting worse......
any other ideas??

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:15 pm

Ryan wrote:number 1: 190psi
number 2: 140psi
number 3: 120psi
number 4: 180psi
so im thinking it may be a head/head gasket problem between 2 and 3?? but i cant find any traces of water in the oil or vise versa??
any other ideas??

the compression tests dont lie so theres something going on with No 2+3? You dont necessarily find water in the oil or visa versa with a blowen head gasket but you would expect it to be using water. Could be a valve problem, did it get ant water in the intake when you were out at Aotea last month?

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:20 pm

I might take it to rallywoods on the 10th and cane the arse off it??

:lol:

We'll see ya there

Why not have a look at Submercers green zook and the transplant he did ...this is being certed at the moment and he told me that it will be ready to tow nissans again soon :lol:

, did you want Steve's phone number

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:21 pm

Sadam_Husain wrote:
Ryan wrote:number 1: 190psi
number 2: 140psi
number 3: 120psi
number 4: 180psi
so im thinking it may be a head/head gasket problem between 2 and 3?? but i cant find any traces of water in the oil or vise versa??
any other ideas??

the compression tests dont lie so theres something going on with No 2+3? You dont necessarily find water in the oil or visa versa with a blowen head gasket but you would expect it to be using water. Could be a valve problem, did it get ant water in the intake when you were out at Aotea last month?

its not useing any water? and yes i think it got a little bit of water in it but nothing major??

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:31 pm

Ryan wrote:its not useing any water? and yes i think it got a little bit of water in it but nothing major??

you might have bent a couple of valves is if it took a wee gulp of water, your engine seemed to be running well when we were last up there so something must have happened to lose compression like that

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:34 pm

yeah it was running well? and thats the last time it got used?? it did splutter a bit after that last water "hazard" i did but seemed to clear it self too??

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:37 pm

If you found a 1600 vitara motor then whats his name does a conversion kit for $200 or so, rex knows who I think

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:41 pm

Jerry wrote:If you found a 1600 vitara motor then whats his name does a conversion kit for $200 or so, rex knows who I think

yeah the guys name is ben.....ive been looking for cheap options but cashflow this time of yeah isnt what i want it to be haha

coxsy · Post by **coxsy** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:49 pm

is it ever mate

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:53 pm

Theres always something to spend on them :lol:

I'll ask around .....has Tu got any 41x bits?

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:12 pm

If you shift the dashboard and seats back you'll slip a wee chev in there nicely ryan :wink:

I guess you wont know whats wrong with your motor till you take the head off?

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:19 pm

that crossed my mind Marty!! probly get a small block in without choppin much haha

meatc · Post by **meatc** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:14 pm

Compression that low on 2 + 3 sounds bad. If its injested water there is a good chance that its bent a valve or damaged the rings.

Did you try taking the roker cover off and turning it over and seeing what the tappet spacing is. I can dig the specs out of the Hayes manual if you need them. If it was running good before this would be a good way to see if its bent a valve that is now not seating properly.

It sounds very similar to mine when i bought it. I never bothered finding the fault just bought a new motor. Pulled it down a bit and the more i looked the more it looked like it had swallowed water.

Viatra 1600 would be nice but they must be made of gold for the amount they want second hand for them.

Good luck sorting it. A head job might fix it but it might not to.

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