1jz-gte , 2jz-ge & 2jz-gte engines ?

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:51 pm

Wondering if many people have these in their 4x4's , what generation is yours ? Auto or manual ? what bellhousing or adapter plates your using ? etc , etc ............ ( thinking about a conversion into a 89' LJ71 & seek info )

MAHINDRACJ4A · Post by **MAHINDRACJ4A** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:05 pm

i'v got a 1ggte (supra 2.0litre twin turbo) in my jeep, getting it wired up this Monday, manual gearbox, and gen 3, 11psi boost standard, around 220hp, im gonna to up boost to 15psi, front mount intercooler, and maybe port and polish & machining work

MAHINDRACJ4A · Post by **MAHINDRACJ4A** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:07 pm

got an adaptor plate made to fit my jeep gearbox, but will fit w55 - w58 gearboxs, you wont find a lot of info on 1jz or 2jz into a suzuki lol, most likely never done before, they are more a performance engine, would be better off to do a 4agze into it, but if you dead keen have fun and keep us updated

timotheus · Post by **timotheus** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:16 pm

I'm also considering a JZ.... into a solid front surf though

I haven't been able to find out whats involved with running one with a manual.

wjw (member) runs the standard kz auto with a jz and to all accounts it wasn't hard to mate up nor has he had any problems.

Supras run 2jz's with W series boxes and hiluxi run W series boxes, so I wonder if its possible to use the engine bell-housing, flywheel, clutch pressure plate and 4wd box.

It would make for a happy me if i could go from 90hp to 225.

Length seemed an issue, saFAGari and I measured one from firewall to pulleys 780mm, my surf has 820mm odd to play with.
You could have it tougher..

Tim.

MAHINDRACJ4A · Post by **MAHINDRACJ4A** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:21 pm

just to remind you he said

thinking about a conversion into a LJ71

conversion into surf is fairly easy, but not into a suzuki lj71

turoa · Post by **turoa** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:22 pm

timotheus wrote:Supras run 2jz's with W series boxes and hiluxi run W series boxes, so I wonder if its possible to use the engine bell-housing, flywheel, clutch pressure plate and 4wd box.

It would make for a happy me if i could go from 90hp to 225.

Yes you can bolt it all up to a surf box. All the 2jz bellhousing clutch and flywheel that is. Wiring probably wouldnt be an issue as there are manual 2jz around (I think).

Mahindracj4a, an lj71 is a solid axle prado, not suzuki

:wink:

muzz · Post by **muzz** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:43 pm

Got a 1JZ-GTE in my LJ71 Bundy, Alot of work but worth it in the end, Got motor and box (R154) out of a supra and put the cruiser tranz case on the end, Half way though a single turbo swap so hope for more power LOL :twisted:

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The manual R154 box is from the same family as the R151 box that was in the cruiser ,so box stays in the same place with same mounts,Just have to swap the output shaft from the cruiser box into the supra one so the tranz case will bolt up.

Best thing is everything aside from the engine mounts is stock off the shelf parts so no one off bellhousings,clutchs ect ect.

skid · Post by **skid** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:48 pm

MAHINDRACJ4A wrote:just to remind you he said

thinking about a conversion into a LJ71

conversion into surf is fairly easy, but not into a suzuki lj71

shit, thats a new truck by me.

imagine trying to shoe horn one of those long sixes into a poor little suzi.

sorry dude but you need a bit more edumacation on the types of 4wds you can get.

Turoa has the answer for ya :wink:

imagine all the other stuff you would have to change over :cry:

NJV6 · Post by **NJV6** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:54 pm

Dude - With all due respect.

Read ALL your old posts asking the same questions! Search posts by adventures_more and you'll be surprised what you'll find....

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules ... sc&start=0

Not surprising I guess considering we were led to believe it was dropped for a unimog!! Then selling everything about 10 times and going back to oz!
:roll:

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:54 pm

Does this mean I have 2 Suzuki's now :roll:

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:10 pm

NJV6 >>> #### off , show some friggn manner's when posting , must a got out on the wrong side of the bed or something ?

Well lets see, i bought this LJ71 10 months ago , since then i bought a 13BT , a 14B engines , then stripped the 14B for the crank & flywheel & was going to stroke the 13BT but realised it was money down the drain , as the 14B was better design anyway , then was going 15B - but more $$$ down the drain & would make LJ71 into a tank wieght wise , I bought a series 60 gearbox & t/case for this build & a transfer rebuild kit , so sold all those parts . few weeks ago bought 2 LSD carrier's , put one in on monday , plus bought another t/case to replace my noisey one in there now & bought a disk brake rear end of a KZj78 ( when i do a engine coversion ). rebuilding this t/case soon, snorkel ( bought top bit already ), etc.

Unimog is my 12+ month goal, have heaps of info already & still searchn for stuff , plus have original mercedes workshop & service manuals for all Unimogs from late 70's till now on several DVD's & have started learning German language especially .

Plus i am heading back Aussie with my MOG to sell it there , but coming back here as i really it here .

Hate wasting $$$ on things that don't work out or seriously losing money in the long run " Done it a few times already !

"You don't ask , you"ll never know "- reason why i ask heaps of shit !

Did i answer your questions "NJV6" ?

MAHINDRACJ4A · Post by **MAHINDRACJ4A** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:25 pm

chuck a 20b pp turbo into :lol:

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:32 pm

I didnt go with any of those engines, I just stuck an old cast iron chev in my cruiser, an easy bolt in job with an aussie bell housing/adaptor kit.

NJV6 · Post by **NJV6** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:41 pm

adventures_more wrote:NJV6 >>> ( insert obsenity here) off , show some friggn manner's when posting , must a got out on the wrong side of the bed or something ? !

Na, can only get out one side.

adventures_more wrote:Well lets see, i bought this LJ71 10 months ago , since then i bought a 13BT , a 14B engines , then stripped the 14B for the crank & flywheel & was going to stroke the 13BT but realised it was money down the drain , as the 14B was better design anyway , then was going 15B - but more $$$ down the drain & would make LJ71 into a tank wieght wise , I bought a series 60 gearbox & t/case for this build & a transfer rebuild kit , so sold all those parts . few weeks ago bought 2 LSD carrier's , put one in on monday , plus bought another t/case to replace my noisey one in there now & bought a disk brake rear end of a KZj78 ( when i do a engine coversion ). rebuilding this t/case soon, snorkel ( bought top bit already ), etc.

adventures_more wrote:Hate wasting $$$ on things that don't work out or seriously losing money in the long run " Done it a few times already !

And again I'd say. (with all due respect) :wink:

No worries - go for it.

Over & Out

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:22 pm

sadam .>> which chev engine did you put in there ? use petrol or LPG ? gas guzzler ?

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:34 pm

Good to see you boys playing nicely up there now ^^^^^ :wink:

adventures_more wrote:sadam .>> which chev engine did you put in there ? use petrol or LPG ? gas guzzler ?

small block chev, easy to stick in.... I managed :shock:

but yep there gas guzzlers and you dont put them in for fuel economy

skid · Post by **skid** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:36 pm

Sadam_Husain wrote:Good to see you boys playing nicely up there now ^^^^^

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:44 pm

good advice skid , - cheers

sadam >> yours a 2 or 4 bolt mains & you using stock iron heads , any mods ?

Mattman · Post by **Mattman** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:51 pm

In a Bundy why wouldn't you go with a V6 or V8? Easy to keep the engine driven fan assembly and no problems fitting everything up.

Heaps of kits for 1UZ's and Holden V6's which are cheap and reasonably powerful.

Matt.

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:02 pm

Matt >> for one rather have 1 exhaust line , also to have more room in the engine bay for certain things , having V - you lose space left & right from the banks of the cylinders ( depends how on big it is & what size your engine bay is ) , already sussed out the 1uzfe & seekn a supercharged straight 4 or 6 now - personal preference !

Sadam_Husain · Post by **Sadam_Husain** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:11 pm

adventures_more wrote:Matt >> for one rather have 1 exhaust line , also to have more room in the engine bay for certain things , having V - you lose space left & right from the banks of the cylinders ( depends how on big it is & what size your engine bay is ) , already sussed out the 1uzfe & seekn a supercharged straight 4 or 6 now - personal preference !

You should have the same size engine bay as my truck and have a ton of room in there to stick whatever you want into it with room to spare

spanky · Post by **spanky** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:27 pm

my brother put a 2jz in to a 2dr ln130 made a plate and bolted to std 5spd was a v6 surf so tank and pump all worked and wired into surf loom with 2jz computer so all std gauges work, good motor but not much low down torque but will pull 8000rpm and sounds sweet .
vaughan

philux · Post by **philux** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:54 pm

mine got the 2jz with the kjz auto and trans, looks pretty tidy under there

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:09 pm

AM, Something about you really seems to rub people up the wrong way... you've managed to piss a few people off since you got here, so don't get all "#### off" at people when they question you cos you're just rubbing more...

As for the the 2JZ conversion - there are a couple detailed on here... Hiriklux and I put one in his Hilux using a bellhousing and flywheel from tardme which turned out to be shite, so we had a new flywheel machined up locally. Costs you would need about $200 for an adaptor plate, $400 for a clutch kit and around $450-500 for the flywheel. There are a lot of other associated bits and pieces you need.

Computer-wise the motor I got him was a manual one originally so it had the simpler computer - you would be unlikely to find one of those, so get an auto and just ignore the auto stuff. There is some question as to the engine tuning being tied up in the input speed vs output speed of the auto, so if it looks like it has a set of inputs on the computer for gear position from the auto then hardwire it to 2nd otherwise apparently it thinks its in idle and runs lean, cooking the motor - I can't confirm that, but its handy to know in case.

The manual Supras had R-series boxes, not W as someone mentioned earlier - the M-series motor Supras had W-series boxes. This however will not help, as they have different input shaft lengths and I believe different bolt patterns.

Oh, and 1UZ vs 2JZ? a few horsepower, and a shitload more weight and complexity in the V8... go the JZ.

Heres Riks conv...
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/modules ... ht=rik+2jz

Steve

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:26 pm

btw I have a 2JZ manual computer lying around somewhere, but I think the looms are different.

Jerry · Post by **Jerry** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:39 pm

If you put a too big V8 in a LJ71 then you will be snapping the 8" diffs too easily, ARB ones help but then the weak point then goes to the CV's then you need to upgrade these to longfields (or thats my understanding anyway). you have to bear in mind that these are basically hilux diffs

There are off the shelf adaptor kits for a Crummiedore V6 and the Lexus V8, reading this conversion with interest as I will need to look at this when I kill my LJ71 head, A 3L diesel would be good but a Lexus V8 would be nicer....I hear the 3L's don't spin the tyres as well as the 2.4's... :lol:

wjw · Post by **wjw** » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:25 am

Jerry wrote:If you put a too big V8 in a LJ71 then you will be snapping the 8" diffs too easily, ARB ones help but then the weak point then goes to the CV's then you need to upgrade these to longfields (or thats my understanding anyway). you have to bear in mind that these are basically hilux diffs

There are off the shelf adaptor kits for a Crummiedore V6 and the Lexus V8, reading this conversion with interest as I will need to look at this when I kill my LJ71 head, A 3L diesel would be good but a Lexus V8 would be nicer....I hear the 3L's don't spin the tyres as well as the 2.4's...

Breaking things all depends on the driver....

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:07 pm

Anyone know the Internal ( Engine ) difference's between a 2JZ-GE & 2JZ-GTE ??? is the crank the same material & forging & what about the rods , etc ?? Obviously the pistons will be different & possible the camshaft profiles ,etc ??

Steve_t647 · Post by **Steve_t647** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:04 pm

Pistons, rods, crank and cam is different in the forced motor.

The NA motor has less overlap in the cam timing (fresh air pushes out the exhaust gass at high rpm in the turbo making it free revving but less torque the turbo negates the losses)

Turboing the NA motor is possible but low pressure there are issues high boost (above

on this motor needing a lot of aftermarket bits including a programmable computer

adventures_more · Post by **adventures_more** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:41 pm

there won't be any more hassles with adventures_more full stop , he won't be using these sites anymore ,"you live & learn" & "You can't please everyone " - shit happens i spose ! see ya