running on vegie oil

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:03 pm

ok .. ive started to run my hilux desiel 2l on recycled oil. only hassle is every time i go for a drive i get the craving for fish & chips

. any ways with winter the oil is to thick and needs thinning down .. i need to make or get a fuel cell with a 12v heating element in it. dose any one know where i can get one from? or do you have any other idears for heating the oil.

Post by **mike** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:01 pm

why not make a heat exchanger that goes over the exhaust, you could put a tight fitting pipe over the exahust and then a bigger one and blank them off either end and an inlet one end and outlet the other. wouldnt have to be big. might work to well :shock:

Mike

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:36 pm

there was a guy in pleasent point that got fully into the recycled/alternate fuel system for years, running everything from his tractor to his truck......

pinky might know of him ?? then again pleasent points a big big place :lol:

but yeah no relevance to the heating problem

be the man with the info though

pinky · Post by **pinky** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:47 pm

i should beat you with a really BIG STICK for that conan points not that small as for the vege king i dont know BUT will know by tomorrow ( it's a small town ) a did find a site where a guy had his surf running on vege oil i will do a search ( couse i'm a nice guy ) and try to find it as it was an interesting article ....... live long and prosper :mrgreen:

pinky · Post by **pinky** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:52 pm

ooh i'm loving this broadband it's so fast

DJ · Post by DJ » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:30 pm

pinky might know of him

cant be that hard to find he's the one who orders $1 chips and can you put lots of oil on them ... its the surf that has all the cats hanging around ....... hes the one who just brought 200 litrs of canolla from 4Square

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:40 pm

Just a chicken vs. egg thing, but the heat exchanger on the exhaust aint gonna work... its never going to heat the oil enough to start or run it because its not running to heat it up... and so on and so on

Something electrical will kill the battery in no time unless its almost like a glow plug timer setup and is just used to get the oil flowing, and the boys in blue aren't going to think much of a gas burner bolted up under the fuel tank

I'm fresh outta good ideas tho...

Steve

Rotazuk · Post by **Rotazuk** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:32 am

Many years ago some enterprising people ran there cars on alternative fuels during the gasless days . Bmc 1300 on something like diesel .

Anyway they had the main tank full of the alt stuff but had to have a small secondary tank to start the car on . Just swapped over to the proper stuff to start and once warm back to the alt stuff . The smart ones also shut down there cars on the good stuff , much like you used to have to do with cng etc .

This way a heat exhanger will work and it will still start well etc

Chris

muddy · Post by **muddy** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:19 am

Most fire trucks have a heating element in the sump, with a power cord which is plugged into mains power so it is always up to temp when they start up. If you have enough room in the sump to clear the crankshaft, you could put an electric jug element in the bottom, & plug into the wall for a couple of minutes before starting. Otherwise, wrap an old electric blanket around the sump overnight??

Conan · Post by **Conan** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:11 pm

hahahaahhaa

sorry pinky . im from te anau originally so pose i cant talk but it does seem like vegas :lol:

i know that guys last name if you want to get more info...

hows the wagon holding up?

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:32 pm

found a good site that tell you how to make biodiesel

http://www.humboldt.edu/~ccat/biodiesel ... steSP2001/

SupraLux · Post by **SupraLux** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:03 am

All that site told me was that I wagged WAAAAY to many chem classes at high school :lol:

I think I'll go back to a mountain bike... if we run outta oil I'm screwed cos that made no sense at all...

Steve

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:10 pm

this is a better site for biodeisel http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/index.php

im off to the hardware store to pick up supplys. if you hear a big BANG this weekend .. its only me :lol:

pekay · Post by **pekay** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:34 am

Check out.
http://www.parker.com/racor/dfh_intro.html
http://www.diesel-therm.com/diesel-therm.htm
From the wesite.
All products are produced and sold under the name of 'Deltech Ltd. & LLP' in the USA and New Zealand.
http://www.plantdrive.com/
Good luck, with the way fuel prices are going it won't be long before we're all being followed by cats and dogs as we head down the road.

nzhunter · Post by **nzhunter** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:58 pm

ok .. ive started to run my hilux desiel 2l on recycled oil

This affect the performance much??? Looking closly at buyin a diesel 2 run it off vege oil. Petrol SOOOO Bloody ridulous $1.53!!!!!! you've gota b jokin!!!! :shock:

35% up from start of year! What else are yous doin 2 sav sum cash? first tim diesels over a dollar! Whats ther reasons this tim? (does this affect your vote?)

Neways enulf moaning mudda trucker do u get this oil for free?

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Thu Sep 01, 2005 4:37 pm

i have run my truck on stright iol from the shop, it works but i has to be warned up- hence the need for a heater. now im tring bio-diesel, still working on my first batch... all most done. will keep you updated when i can.
[This affect the performance much] no i dont think it has

Pajfan · Post by **Pajfan** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 9:17 am

Hi All,
The Bio Diesel option begs the question!!
Was out shoppin with the wife last night :cry:

and ran into a family whose children she teaches. Met the Dad Duncan for the first time, swapped names and the usual "So what do you do??" and low and behold he makes bio diesel for a crust.
It might be a point of contact for those of you wanting to make some as he knows of where you can buy kits as well as the ins and outs of the fancy chem stuff!

His name is Duncan Berwick
Bio Clean Green Fuels
bio.fuels@xtra.co.nz
027 202 3069
Apparently he is making it by the ton and it is all sold. I wonder why?? :wink:

forester · Post by **forester** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 8:26 pm

Now why shouldn't we just run our Diesel trucks on any old oil? I know that in previous trials they have run diesels for ages on plain old sunflower oil (in South Africa during the 1970 fuel crisis)....

I've run my Hilux on chainsaw bar lube on one occasion...not by choice, and it's a LONG story.

I suppose the rough oil will stuff the injectors eventually? What other problems will it cause? I figure we can solve most problems by running one tank fish oil, one tank diesel, and changing the fuel filter more often.

It's just if you're getting the oil for free or cheap, a set of new injectors now and again kinda makes sense, innit?

Besides, I'm sure my missus wouldn't want me out in the backyard playing with Methanol and Sodium Hydroxide... first one makes you blind, the second one blinds you.....

forester · Post by **forester** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:58 pm

Have been researching this topic a little bit. Found a really good website with clear instructions for making your own biodiesel - follow the link

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_a ... l#easymeth

This is a helluva interesting link, even if you don't end up making any biodiesel.

Seems like you can do it easily enough, but it pays to get it right! :roll:

Answers to other questions:

Is veggie oil ok? Seems not. Very thick, increased pressure roots the injectors and diesel pump eventually. Not the thing to do unless you are a diesel mechanic.

Other critical factors? Biodiesel needs to be washed and filtered before use, and you HAVE to check the pH. Alkaline biodiesel will seriously screw with the diesel fuel system, pays to make sure it is slightly acid before use.

Anyone had a go making biodiesel?

Bubba · Post by **Bubba** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:16 am

Seemed nice and straight forward till I started to read this...blah blah explosions blah blah blah dangerous blah blah blah horrible accident blah blah blindness and death.

I kinda went off the idea from there

"CAUTION

Sulfuric acid is a DANGEROUS CHEMICAL. Take full safety precautions, wear safety goggles, gloves and apron and eye protection. Have running water nearby. Don't inhale fumes!

If you run out of sulfuric acid NEVER try to make up the required volume with nitric acid. It may form small quantities of nitroG (nitroglycerine) -- even the smallest amount can cause horrible accidents. See: High Explosives

Methanol can cause blindness and death, and it is absorbed through the skin. Sodium hydroxide can cause severe burns and death. Together these two chemicals form sodium methoxide. This is an extremely caustic chemical. These are dangerous chemicals -- treat them as such! Always have water running nearby when working with them. The workspace must be thoroughly ventilated. No children or pets allowed. Wear safety goggles, gloves and apron and eye protection. Do not inhale any vapors. See Safety for further information."

DaveM · Post by **DaveM** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:29 pm

There is a guy up north who has made biodiesel here are his details:

Peter Parsonage
batpro@clear.net .nz
http://www.partec.co.nz

Dave

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:55 pm

its not as bad as it sounds(reads) we have started to make a few small batches and so far so good, going to make a 200lt batch this week. will let you all know how its turns out.

Bubba · Post by **Bubba** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:42 am

Set up costs?

Price per litre?

I see that France is really pushing this bio-diesal, the President even changed his car over to it

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:30 am

set up cost ... 100lt hot water clinder (from the recycles) $30- new heater element $40- Methanol $80 for 20lt or $310 for 200lt- costic soda $26 for 20kg, and depends where you get your oil from it cost me $40 for 200lt.
+ say $200 for extra bits -

its working out for me at $0.37 per lt (+my time) take about 5 hrs over 4 days as i also work full time.

MATT4U · Post by **MATT4U** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:37 am

is your vegi oil new or used?

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:26 am

all my oil is used, get it from the fish and chip shops. you can also use fat but i havent tryed that yet.

forester · Post by **forester** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:52 pm

Yeah, I figured it was do-able. It seems to be all about whether it's worthwhile to spend the time doing the work. I reckon if diesel gets to $1.50 a litre we'd be mugs not to have a go.

Besides, there's something cool about getting fuel with your fish 'n chips....

Is that a steel hot water cylinder, mudda? Is it galvanised?

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:53 am

the clinder i have is copper, ive been told NOT to use galvanised. something about the Methanol reacting with the metal.
wenseday the 12th oct we are gonig to make a 200lt batch will let you know how it gos.

Bubba · Post by **Bubba** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:59 am

Can you mix the two different types in the tank, I presume you can

mudda-trucker · Post by **mudda-trucker** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:18 am

yes you can blend if you want. most ppls have 2 tanks, startup on b-d and switch to deisel, but im gonig to run just one tank with b-d.

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