Norwest Club class winch challenge

[Madaz]

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The only other difference is how we set the tracks ,we try to allow for the guys with a low mount winch ,and want to drive it home after the comp .. Steve..[/quote]


Just remember some challenge class drivers wouldnt mind being able to drive their trucks home after the event too, when your setting the tracks

Cheers

[Ralfie]

Where I think the confusion is, is at what level 'Club Class' comes into play.
My opinion is that the club class is there to allow guys to go to a higher level than a club event and see if they want to really get serious or just have some fun. .

Whereas - I would consider "Club Class" to be a standard 4wd club vehicle - ie modified by lift, bars, lockers, decent tyres and winch. With a course set appropriately for them - that is a negligible expectation of any damage. (after all - that is where your marshals and organisation mostly comes from)

After which you would hit the lowest tier of competition classes by adding roll protection and a harder course etc

Exactly what I was trying to say, but because I said no roll bar it was taken offence to because I lacked safety.

I think 'darinz' has only served to complicate matters further by talking about three levels including "club class regional competitions and challenge regional comps". Where did that come from? My understanding is we are talking individual club type event, such as this one being run by the Norwest Club.

[Satalite]

IN ANSWER TO GRANT (if thats your real name) who left a lovely message on my answer ph 1/ No Darin and myself are no relation to Hitler 2/and yes we do know who our parents are 3/ no we are not trying to take over the winch challenges ,that is why we keep asking for input ,i would suggest you go crawl back into the cave you came out of ..Cheers,Steve

Take it all on the chin guy's, been to much of this sort crap on the site recently.

The Club Class is coming alone in leaps and bounds and we are making good progress. You guys are doin an outstanding job, and are friendly and co-operative and full of advice

Don't let a vocal minority spoil it

x2

you guys have been awesome with helping us figure out everything we have questioned....

[coxsy]

be in a big fat saf and have it on 45 dec or higher on a club trip , an roll protection looks nice

[mesomuddy]

As a winch challenge competitor we started a few years ago as wide eyed competitors and the organizers threw it all at us from 2m+ water holes sleet and snow at Ohakanue to fast as you can mud sprints through bush tracks in Rotorua. Never was it mentioned that we were the "big guys" , "who are up there" of the new Challenge class .It seems strange that looking back I was never concidered a newbee and offered an easy route to save the hand built "love of my life" from being torn apart by the Coromadle rocks.
The club class idea is great as it offers a far more gentle approach angle to the competition, saying this though you have to remember that roll cages are just going to stay be it a small club event (whatever that is) to a 5 day event. I've seen the red mist come down once the starter says 2, 3, go and its like the driver becomes possesed willing to chance it all to be on top. Most of you will have seen this, and this is why roll cages are a must in all classes. mmmmm better now !

[Satalite]

I've seen the red mist come down once the starter says 2, 3, go and its like the driver becomes possesed willing to chance it all to be on top. Most of you will have seen this, and this is why roll cages are a must in all classes. mmmmm better now !

Completely agree there... Red mist an be a nasty thing, I saw some extreme red mist situations at the nationals in the weekend that ended up with the driver in hospital..... It happens so easily, safty must always come first!!!

[BrentC]

saying this though you have to remember that roll cages are just going to stay be it a small club event (whatever that is)

That may or may not happen - the two clubs I belong to, have not had those debates in committee or with the members.

[DieselBoy]

As we are in the final run down to the event, i have started to think about the logistic's of running my truck for two days of competition.

My main concern is fuel. Especially with having to leave the vehicle running a fair bit to charge up the Aux battery between stages.

Can anyone tell me if there is LPG in Kumeu or closer, and roughly how far/long does it take to get there. I'm hoping i can make a quick dash somewhere on Saturday night and fill it up in between the day stage's ending and the night stages kicking off.

I do have a couple of 40L forklift tanks as spare, but would prefer not to run them as it's a bit of shagging around to get them setup during the event if the need arises. Much easier to duck out and fill up the proper tank if i can.

Also, is there a high pressure hose of similar that could be used for washing out radiators?? Even a tap with running water would do, and i could hook my little water blaster into my generator and do it that way

[monstr]

Hi Mate ,the nearest LPG is Shell in Kumeu they are open 24 hours ,from the park it would be approx 15-20 mins .
Re water there will be water avail to wash out radiators but as we are using tank water no washing of trucks ,with the stages we have set filling up radiators with mud shouldnt happen we have put trucks through the stages with no problems to date .Steve

[darinz]

Where I think the confusion is, is at what level 'Club Class' comes into play.
My opinion is that the club class is there to allow guys to go to a higher level than a club event and see if they want to really get serious or just have some fun. .

Whereas - I would consider "Club Class" to be a standard 4wd club vehicle - ie modified by lift, bars, lockers, decent tyres and winch. With a course set appropriately for them - that is a negligible expectation of any damage. (after all - that is where your marshals and organisation mostly comes from)

After which you would hit the lowest tier of competition classes by adding roll protection and a harder course etc

Exactly what I was trying to say, but because I said no roll bar it was taken offence to because I lacked safety.

I think 'darinz' has only served to complicate matters further by talking about three levels including "club class regional competitions and challenge regional comps". Where did that come from? My understanding is we are talking individual club type event, such as this one being run by the Norwest Club.

The Nor-West event is part of the 4x4 Challenges series which is in effect the North Island part of a National series. Points awarded go towards qualifying for the planned national final in Taupo later this year. There are competitors (in both classes) coming from as far away as Rotorua and Taupo. (maybe Napier as well) So this well and truely qualifies as a step up from a single club type event. It is set over 3 days and is one of the biggest Winch Challenges in the country. The Club Class is being run in parrallel to the Challenge Class so it equally qualifies to this status.

We are not telling anyone what to do. You can run a WC with no rules at all if you want BUT if you want it to be recognised and count towards the national series / final then you need to play by our rules. hat you do within your own club is up to you but if you have any experience with WC then you would fully understand and appreciate the rules as they stand.

If you haven't been to one of these type of events then I understand the confusion.

For those that are questioning what and why we are doing things then either come along and see what is happening BEFORE you make half arsed remarks that obviously show a lack of understanding of what and why we are doing things.
Steve and I (and quite a few others) are organising these events due to our experience in this particular sport and also a desire to more and better events. There are events that you can do with no safety requirements at all and if you have a problem with the rules that we have then don't come along.

If anyone has a problem with what we are doing then ring me direct, I'll talk to you for as long as you want. Or come and see me at Nor-West in person and feel free to abuse me all you like face to face. But leave the abuse to me personally and leave the guys alone that are just rtying to make this sport better for you. Steve is doing a brilliant job with this and anyone who questions his motivation and leaves abusive messages can just piss off and don't bother coming to any events.
If I find out who it was they will not be welcome at any event I have anything to do with.

Again my home number is 09 436 1992, wk 09 438 7985 and 0275 330637.

[darinz]

I think there may be some confusion and a way around it may to change the name of Club Class to Novice class or something like that. It has nothing to do with clubs as it is a class within a series. I'll discuss this at Nor-West with the guys there and see the outcome.

[wopass]

I think there may be some confusion and a way around it may to change the name of Club Class to Novice class or something like that. It has nothing to do with clubs as it is a class within a series. I'll discuss this at Nor-West with the guys there and see the outcome.

club class to me is just an abreviation of the entry level of competion which is CLUBMANS which is the first step in real competition which is the next step up from club runs and fun days... i dont see any confusion at all or why there is even confused people...this is a competition and therfore has rules and rules need to be followed and rules need to be made and policed by people,

and who better to make and police them than those that are out there doing it...

just my 2c

and darren, i still think your smaller on the net dude lay off the pies

on a side note...i WILL be making it to one of these competitions in the near future...just not this one

[shortylux]

This is just a thumbs up to Steve, Darin and all event organisers.

I would like to thank you all for you time and effort. I'm sorry that people like "Grant" need to express their opinions so strongly and personally.

I certainly dont agree with everything you all do, but I appreciate the time you sacrifice as well as the petrol and sweat you put in.

To all event organisers, Cheers.

Arron.

[wopass]

I think 'darinz' has only served to complicate matters further by talking about three levels including "club class regional competitions and challenge regional comps". Where did that come from? My understanding is we are talking individual club type event, such as this one being run by the Norwest Club.

dude, im not sure what you smoking but this is a winch challenge class...club class is just a name, its still in the winch challenge but slightly less hard core so that the guys (or girls) that want to try a winch comp event can do so in a less demanding enviroment,

at a national rally or a club rally you have different classes, this is the same...pretty easy really , challenge class for the top dogs, kinda like D class at a rally or club class kinda like b? class not as modified but can still have a go. still have to have all the same safety requirements but not quite as seriously hard core set up.

or at an enduro bike ride theres clubmans class which is entry level to the same competition but your competing with similar experienced people, not like a newb having to duke it out and get monstered by someone who has been doing it for years and is REALLY good at the sport cos you just dont stand a shit show really ! would be like me trying to beat ben Townly in an enduro...good fun but hes gonna kick my arseevery day ...(i have actually ridden with him and he did kick my arse!! that boy can ride!!!)

any clearer??

[Ralfie]

dude, im not sure what you smoking but this is a winch challenge class...club class is just a name, its still in the winch challenge but slightly less hard core so that the guys (or girls) that want to try a winch comp event can do so in a less demanding enviroment,

I am not your 'dude' nor have I ever smoked anything, perhaps unlike yourself as you continue to dribble on about national rally's and enduro motorbikes which is completely off topic.

The defintion of club is 'association of persons united by some common interest, usually meeting periodically for shared activity.'
I think you too are confused with what this event was supposed to be, as it definitely shouldn't be a "winch challenge class" as you state otherwise its the main competition.

I was of the understanding this was to be a basic first level club event like the last event (which was a good start) but obviously it has moved away from the basics yet again. I understood it was meant to be a "fun event" rather than a full on competition which it now seems to be.

any clearer??

Nope.

[Sadam_Husain]

I am not your 'dude' nor have I ever smoked anything, perhaps unlike yourself as you continue to dribble on about national rally's and enduro motorbikes which is completely off topic.

The defintion of club is 'association of persons united by some common interest, usually meeting periodically for shared activity.'
I think you too are confused with what this event was supposed to be, as it definitely shouldn't be a "winch challenge class" as you state otherwise its the main competition.

I was of the understanding this was to be a basic first level club event like the last event (which was a good start) but obviously it has moved away from the basics yet again. I understood it was meant to be a "fun event" rather than a full on competition which it now seems to be.

Mate I think you choose to not understand?

[wopass]

dude, im not sure what you smoking but this is a winch challenge class...club class is just a name, its still in the winch challenge but slightly less hard core so that the guys (or girls) that want to try a winch comp event can do so in a less demanding enviroment,

I am not your 'dude' nor have I ever smoked anything, perhaps unlike yourself as you continue to dribble on about national rally's and enduro motorbikes which is completely off topic.

The defintion of club is 'association of persons united by some common interest, usually meeting periodically for shared activity.'
I think you too are confused with what this event was supposed to be, as it definitely shouldn't be a "winch challenge class" as you state otherwise its the main competition.

I was of the understanding this was to be a basic first level club event like the last event (which was a good start) but obviously it has moved away from the basics yet again. I understood it was meant to be a "fun event" rather than a full on competition which it now seems to be.

any clearer??

Nope.

theres just no way anyone is going to be able to explain it to you is there cos your just one of "THOSE" people...

[vvega]

The defintion of club is 'association of persons united by some common interest, usually meeting periodically for shared activity.'

yeap you got it right
you turn up .. you share a activity of comon intrest i.e some 4wding then after a period you do it all again

its very comon for clubs to have compeditive events.. if you dont want to complete .. stick to club trips
it really is that simple

turn up and play the game .. or dont .. the choice is yours

so dont whine

[DieselBoy]

......and if you think the club class is not for you because the vehicle safety requirements are to strict, then obviously this type of event is not for you, and you should go about organising an event your self that will cater to your needs.

Perhaps a Club Fun Day Recovery Event would be better suited to what you would like to do???

Please don't bring down the good vibe's surrounding the Norwest OHV Winch Challenge with miss-directed good intention

Cheers,
Pete.

[darinz]

dude, im not sure what you smoking but this is a winch challenge class...club class is just a name, its still in the winch challenge but slightly less hard core so that the guys (or girls) that want to try a winch comp event can do so in a less demanding enviroment,

I am not your 'dude' nor have I ever smoked anything, perhaps unlike yourself as you continue to dribble on about national rally's and enduro motorbikes which is completely off topic.

The defintion of club is 'association of persons united by some common interest, usually meeting periodically for shared activity.'
I think you too are confused with what this event was supposed to be, as it definitely shouldn't be a "winch challenge class" as you state otherwise its the main competition.

I was of the understanding this was to be a basic first level club event like the last event (which was a good start) but obviously it has moved away from the basics yet again. I understood it was meant to be a "fun event" rather than a full on competition which it now seems to be.

any clearer??

Nope.

I agree with what you are saying about a "club event" and that is what I was getting at about "club class" being confused with a "club event". The type of events you are talking about are happening but that is not what this event is. Like every sport there are different levels and what we are trying to achieve here is a level of competition that is in between the established "Challenge Class" and the fun club event. We could call it junior, novice, limited, etc etc This is not supposed to be for everyone, but it is to cater for the guys who are at a serious club level that want to go a bit further without going to a full on specialised winch truck. Yes it should be fun and yes it should cater for a lot more people but it is not a fun club day.
The number of entries alone is testament that it is a success and all we need to do is ensure that people stay positive about it and provide good feedback so that it can be developed the sport to retain this.
From my point of view the "club class" is really the level that I started racing in in 2005. Basically we were all using pretty standard trucks then and we have all modified them together to try and beat each other. That has created a level that is pretty hard to just jump straight into.I use to drive mine to comps and then drive home and use it as my work truck on Monday!
What this class is achieving is a lot of people can take their relatively standard 4x4's and go racing. If they want to go further they then can with a lot more experience and a far better understanding of what is required. If they don't like it then they haven't spent heaps of money and if they like it but just want to stay at that level then it also caters for that very well.

[haynzy]

Ralfie, its people like you that make the organisers of events like this want to give it all away. What do you expect from club class turn up on sunday in ya longwheel base bighorn on ats with a hand winch and a shovel?
The title says it all Club class WINCH CHALLENGE I have spent thousands on my truck and still dont think its ready for club class. If ya dont have anything positive to share to this thread leave it alone or like it has been mentioned before organise your own event.
my 2c

[DieselBoy]

Was cruizing through Youtube on smoko trying to get my self amped up for this weekend, and found this



See y'all there

[lilpigzuk]

how did you guys get on?

[vvega]

so far i hear that tim...madaz snagged second in challange class .. biggy congrats to him for all his hard work ..4wd bits in first...
and i beleve DB scored himself a 10th
well done boys

[mike21]

hey nah i got 10th db placed beta than me. was an awesome weekend, with fantastic stages and an excellent group of people congrates to jeremy on grabn 1st place equal with larry the landy. if i hadnt smashed my crown wheel, today wouldve been far more enjoyable some1 chuck up sum photos!!! i wana see!! thanx heaps to steve was an exellent winch comp with lots of comensense prevailing!! well done cant wait for the next 1

[monstr]

Just a quick note just to say thanks to all the competitors and support crews ,the attitude you guys and girls had over the weekend was great to see ,i hope you all enjoyed the event and didnt do to much damage .congatulations to Jeremy /Kerry and Glen / Grant for there first equal place and to Bernie and Craig for 3rd and in fact to all the competitors for some pretty awsome team work throughout the weekend ,on a side note does this mean we have to lay of the landrover and jeep jokes for a while

[TJ]

Had a great time today, thanks all the organisers (particularly Steve). No Nissans in top three spots - what does that tells ya!!!

[coxsy]

nothing

[Satalite]

Just a quick note just to say thanks to all the competitors and support crews ,the attitude you guys and girls had over the weekend was great to see ,i hope you all enjoyed the event and didnt do to much damage .congatulations to Jeremy /Kerry and Glen / Grant for there first equal place and to Bernie and Craig for 3rd and in fact to all the competitors for some pretty awsome team work throughout the weekend ,on a side note does this mean we have to lay of the landrover and jeep jokes for a while

Big ups to you Steve!!!!! Was a fantastic weekend with great stages, we got 9th so pretty happy with a top 10 finish

Thanks to everyone for the support and help over the weekend!!! HUGE thanks to Tim (gimmemud) for being our support vehicle, you rock! To Jeremy and Kerry for leading us there spare tyre for the last night stage, would have dnf'd if it wasnt for you guys, thanks so much!!!!!! Great event, looking forward to the next one...

[vvega]

haha 9th sweet was a good guess
so glad nothing broke