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moonhopper wrote:Offence:

Dishonestly using a document – section 228 of the Crimes Act 1961
It is an offence to dishonestly take a document or use a document with intent to obtain any property or pecuniary advantage.

Penalty:

There is a maximum penalty of 7 years imprisonment.

Local dude got 5 for something simillar.

Hi Zero /JJS ,If you are willing to PM me the details of the other parties i have somone who is very interested in looking into it .If all you say happened is true and all is above board on their side i:e they are a licensed towing and salvage co with an LTSA number and are GST registered they will have nothing to worry about ..as far as IRD are concerned

why the f**k didnt u guys just take a big tufer in like a 5 tone one, and hand winch them out. I use one to pull ova 20 tone trees with it. you would winch 2 trucks up a cliff with one.. 8k is to much do not pay it, pay the $1000 you agreed on. its there folt for bad driveing and old worn trucks that crap out its not your folt.

starter moter is a 45 mins job and costs 25$. alternator is 30$ and a hour job. not hard at all... dam noob's trying to rip you off.

would be like me take ing a we 25" bar chain saw to go fell 3meter wide trees. lol it dose not work....

would of been cheaper to dry hire a digger get it droped off and go and drag them out. and u would still have $ left ova to go to ozy for a holladay lol... gud luck... maby pick ezyer tracks next time... thats my 2c worth lol

Here is what you need to do.

You need to write down all the information you can and I mean ALL of it (don't leave any of it out so the cops dont have to dig - its a busy time of the year) and all the events that have happened in a time line sort of way, also show any relevant information from here (peoples accounts and testimonies of how a recovery service should operate ie acceptable damage excluded etc) any threats of hunting you down etc just everything you can and take it to the police station closest ie cambridge, matamata or katikati. This should now be a police matter because:

A) They have illegally kept your vehicles. It is against the law to take a possession unless they have built or improved it. Holding it in lou of payment is illegal and you have every right to go around and take it back no matter what agreed or non agreed payment is outstanding. Tell the local cop you are heading around to take your illegally held car back. There is jack shit they can do about it to stop you taking it back and if they try and use force thats what call to local cop was for.

B) Forcing you to sign that contract was definitely very illegal and shouldn't be taken lightly.

I just so happen work for the police and have asked for advice and action suggested is as above and go to your local police asap. It is to much to handle on your own.

and post up all the pictures!! because we all like to see 4x4ing pictures

and for you guys to have made it to where you were with only the one winch is awesum!

aLUX wrote:oi, keep us updated!!! there are a lot of people on here that have given you awesome advice - the least you can do is keep us udated regularly.

You are starting to discredit yourself by not, and its making your side of the story look a bit dodgy!

And my popcorn is getting cold

the less i read the more i know

dodgy dodgy dodgy

oi aLUX pipe down. shit of this magnatude doesnt get sorted in 2 days

the guy probably has a bit to deal with.

you discredit youself by ranting

Trust me when i say a lot of work is going on to resolve this matter.What i can say at the moment is I know who was involved ,What club and what account the money was paid into .If the Club and people involved do not make a public statement as to what went on and who was involved and what action the club intends to make then I WILL NAME THE CLUB,WHERE THE MONEY WENT AND PEOPLE INVOLVED,.You have untill tomorrow to sort this out
The Clocks ticking

mike wrote:Here is what you need to do.

You need to write down all the information you can and I mean ALL of it (don't leave any of it out so the cops dont have to dig - its a busy time of the year) and all the events that have happened in a time line sort of way, also show any relevant information from here (peoples accounts and testimonies of how a recovery service should operate ie acceptable damage excluded etc) any threats of hunting you down etc just everything you can and take it to the police station closest ie cambridge, matamata or katikati. This should now be a police matter because:

A) They have illegally kept your vehicles. It is against the law to take a possession unless they have built or improved it. Holding it in lou of payment is illegal and you have every right to go around and take it back no matter what agreed or non agreed payment is outstanding. Tell the local cop you are heading around to take your illegally held car back. There is jack shit they can do about it to stop you taking it back and if they try and use force thats what call to local cop was for.

B) Forcing you to sign that contract was definitely very illegal and shouldn't be taken lightly.

I just so happen work for the police and have asked for advice and action suggested is as above and go to your local police asap. It is to much to handle on your own.

That's the best advice so far.

The cowboy recovery experts need to learn a lesson from this situation.

1/ Agreeing to recover vehicles when they were clearly incapable = Dumb

2/ Breaking sh!tlods of gear on a recovery = Stupid

3/ Extorting money by withholding truck = Brainless

4/ Forcing someone to sign a contract = Illegal

As there has been only one side of the story aired this is what I base my veiws on.
If someone from the "Club" puts their side of the story forward it would be good.

...Best read in weeks...

Damz wrote:...Best read in weeks...

Same, read it in one sitting, interested to see how it turns out.

I`ve been in a similar situation at Thompsons, luckily some people coming down from the summit rescued us (just a 2 car long snatch), and it only cost me one to two hundy in piss !

im awaiting with interest monstr!!

Mudde1 wrote:I need to make a clarification on my earlier post. I should have said that the recovery wasn't done with the authority of the club. the exec of the club had no prior knowledge of the contract.
I also need to make clear that the Simon making comments on this issue is NOT Simon Bishop NZFWDA National President. Simon Bishop is aware of the issue, and has authorized me to comment on this on behalf of NZFWDA.
Tony Burgess
Northern Zone President,
New Zealand Four Wheel Drive Association.
Ph 0274792636 or 09 2980194
Fax 09 2980134
Email nthzpresident@nzfwda.org.nz

Hi Tony
Thanks for your reply and attention.

The club had their monthly meeting on every first Thur of each month which was just the day before they conducted the recovery on 7th Jan Fri.

I believe most members of the club attended that meeting and the exec of the club should be awared of this recovery.

What is more, the recovery was mainly organised by one senior leader of the club and he also is the one who later on demanded 8k recovery bill from us.

If you saying that the recovery wasn't done with the authority of the club, I just wondering who has the authority of the club and how does the club's leadership strutured?

Lasted Updates as 11 Jan
A guy from the club rung me, trying to clarify that the $2750 written on the contract is the recovery charge for both trucks, not just my Prado. But on that piece of paper, it was clearly written "for the recovery of my prado" Can't see any words mentioning the 70 and my mate's name.

It's also worth noting that the bank acc supplied on the contract is a personal acc of the senior club leader rather than the 4wd club's acc

Hi eveyone
Thanks very much again for your help and advise.
What we posting here and our side of story is truely based on what we have actually experienced.

I would also like to see the other side's story but there is nothing coming up from that club (pretty sure most members of that club have read this)

Some guys I met so far from the club are lovely fellas. they are very nice, helpful and warm-hearted.

Which is what I had expected, the account does not belong to the club, So he has not only ripped you off but has committed a crime against his own club. For which he should be charged. or at least expelled from this club and be sanctioned by NZ4WDA that he may not join another club associated with NZ4WDA. as he has been shown to be the underbelly of society.




Hi Tony
Thanks for your reply and attention.

The club had their monthly meeting on every first Thur of each month which was just the day before they conducted the recovery on 7th Jan Fri.

I believe most members of the club attended that meeting and the exec of the club should be awared of this recovery.

What is more, the recovery was mainly organised by one senior leader of the club and he also is the one who later on demanded 8k recovery bill from us.

If you saying that the recovery wasn't done with the authority of the club, I just wondering who has the authority of the club and how does the club's leadership strutured?

Lasted Updates as 11 Jan
A guy from the club rung me, trying to clarify that the $2750 written on the contract is the recovery charge for both trucks, not just my Prado. But on that piece of paper, it was clearly written "for the recovery of my prado" Can't see any words mentioning the 70 and my mate's name.

It's also worth noting that the bank acc supplied on the contract is a personal acc of the senior club leader rather than the 4wd club's acc[/quote]

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Jerry wrote:6889 views on this thread since the 7th of Jan

Were as bad as the ladies...

yea sorry mostly from me checking to see if theres any cool photos yet...

wopass wrote:yea sorry mostly from me checking to see if theres any cool photos yet...

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Right they have had their chance .
THe recovery was done under the guidance of Ross Bolus who happens to be the Secretary of the BOP club The money paid so far was deposited into an Account operated by the same Ross Bolus Not a club account and the reciept /invoice we have all seen is on a BOP letter head .Now While this recovery fiasco was done with a BOP committe member and was attended by club members and aquantises i dont believe that the majority of BOP club members would condone what happened neither would the president of the club or the other committee members .I would like to think that someone from the club will make a statement to explain where they sit and what action they have taken with their members ,while they remain silent they appear guilty just by association.Hopefully someone will have the balls to front up with the truth not lies and half truths that have been said so far and if it is as i suspect that it is a few rogue members acting outside of the clubs guidlines then i think that should be the end of it .lets all build a bridge and get over it .I understand that this is now in the hands of a solicitor so i think further comment from me would not be wise untill it is settled..

wopass wrote:yea sorry mostly from me checking to see if theres any cool photos yet...

AND waiting patiently for a reply from the dudes who did the recovery

is anyone online from the "club" in question willing to share their views i'm thinking about contacting a club member i know to see if he knows anything about this and what his opinion is

Since this recovery took place they have had a meeting and i know this was dicussed .wouldnt you think someone from the club would make a statement ? the longer this drags on the worst it looks and meanwhile one poor guy is still without his truck"
While i hope its not the case one wonders if this would of happened if they were 'Kiwis" and not obviously immirgrants with english as their second language

monstr wrote:Since this recovery took place they have had a meeting and i know this was dicussed .wouldnt you think someone from the club would make a statement ? the longer this drags on the worst it looks and meanwhile one poor guy is still without his truck"
While i hope its not the case one wonders if this would of happened if they were 'Kiwis" and not obviously immirgrants with english as their second language

yeah it kinda sucks. what help would we expect if this were to happen to us in their country ? As his truck is being illegally held, it is within his rights to go around and collect his truck. A couple of local people from here to assist so nothing goes wrong.

I want to hear from the club as to why they think they can charge this type of money to start with, are they GST registered, do they have liability insurance if they damage a persons vehicle while they are charging them to recover it. are there set fee structures in place, these things need answers. if they don't have these things in place they should not be charging people to recover their vehicles.

moonhopper wrote:I want to hear from the club as to why they think they can charge this type of money to start with, are they GST registered, do they have liability insurance if they damage a persons vehicle while they are charging them to recover it. are there set fee structures in place, these things need answers. if they don't have these things in place they should not be charging people to recover their vehicles.

when did you need any of that for a good old CASHY?

Not taking sides but if someone offered me $$ for a tow I'd take it, I'd probably expect a few beers as well
If there were questions about GST numbers, insurance........I'd just leave you there,

Isn't it "all care taken, no responsibility"

Whats the alternative? who else do they call? what are your options when you just don't know? you ring the local club, my tool box is covered with numbers contacts, google, refered to etc etc, I've snapped rental cars in the absolute middle of nowhere, you ring the company, they ring the local 4x4 club, they make a few bucks, life carries on. maybe the old 8k is a bit steep but how about 1k, 5k, whats reasonable, whats your time worth.
If it was my mate, I'd expect a few bucks for gas (maybe), a few beers and I'd try and make him wash the truck, or I'd just wash it in his driveway, how about some random dude in the middle of no-where, or in this case two guys stuck, if it was a simple case of a broken winch wire why didn't he just buy a new one.

What has happened is wrong, maybe they should pay?, for all we know they might of just watched cause they were paying for a service?

At least now we know, if you get stuck don't call the BoP 4x4 club, they charge heaps,
call wopass, he's half their price

You need to have that in place when you start handing out contracts to people with your clubs name on it, this is not a case of just a guy pulling someone out and getting a few dollars, this is way past that. they have set out a contract with a person, they should have all the legal requirements in place to back that contract up.

bobrocket wrote:

moonhopper wrote:I want to hear from the club as to why they think they can charge this type of money to start with, are they GST registered, do they have liability insurance if they damage a persons vehicle while they are charging them to recover it. are there set fee structures in place, these things need answers. if they don't have these things in place they should not be charging people to recover their vehicles.

when did you need any of that for a good old CASHY?

Not taking sides but if someone offered me $$ for a tow I'd take it, I'd probably expect a few beers as well
If there were questions about GST numbers, insurance........I'd just leave you there,

Isn't it "all care taken, no responsibility"

Whats the alternative? who else do they call? what are your options when you just don't know? you ring the local club, my tool box is covered with numbers contacts, google, refered to etc etc, I've snapped rental cars in the absolute middle of nowhere, you ring the company, they ring the local 4x4 club, they make a few bucks, life carries on. maybe the old 8k is a bit steep but how about 1k, 5k, whats reasonable, whats your time worth.
If it was my mate, I'd expect a few bucks for gas (maybe), a few beers and I'd try and make him wash the truck, or I'd just wash it in his driveway, how about some random dude in the middle of no-where, or in this case two guys stuck, if it was a simple case of a broken winch wire why didn't he just buy a new one.

What has happened is wrong, maybe they should pay?, for all we know they might of just watched cause they were paying for a service?

At least now we know, if you get stuck don't call the BoP 4x4 club, they charge heaps,
call wopass, he's half their price