lifts laws to be inforced

[willferris]

Sorry, but a 15yo with no experience can STILL get behind the wheel, its not the driver who gets the card, but the vehicle. So again, how is this safer?
How does a club president decide how good a driver is onroad, when they are joining to prove the vehicle is used off road?

I have no problem making the roads safer, but this won't. If these club Presidents are to nominate whether you are capable of driving the vehicle on public roads, they should have a qualification to do so IMO.

So where is your point? How does the law make it safer? What you have said will make SFA difference to safety. I see this nothing more than a money making scheme. We would be better having certifiers having to prove an understanding of the dynamics of lifted 4wds, and actually know what is and isn't safe on the vehicles. THAT would actually help in making the roads safer.

the point the ltsa nzta is trying to ram home is that these wagons are dangerous and accesible to 15yr olds. putting through these new rules will mean there are going to be LESS OF THEM ON THE ROAD. certifiers certify a vehicle. a club sticker is for the vehicle. the harder it is to get these legal the less of them there will be on the road. less accidents. less deaths. SIMPLE. same way whiteys beat the mari's. not in war but though law.

[KIWI_TERRANO]

A 15yo can jump behind a v8 or a rice burner which would be more of a weapon?!?!

So where is this auctully going............

If someone is going to drive like a idiot ,then they will drive like a idot.

We cant control peoples thought patterns just like we will never control what kind of cars they are going to jump into

[DaveM]

Sorry, but a 15yo with no experience can STILL get behind the wheel, its not the driver who gets the card, but the vehicle. So again, how is this safer?
How does a club president decide how good a driver is onroad, when they are joining to prove the vehicle is used off road?

I have no problem making the roads safer, but this won't. If these club Presidents are to nominate whether you are capable of driving the vehicle on public roads, they should have a qualification to do so IMO.

So where is your point? How does the law make it safer? What you have said will make SFA difference to safety. I see this nothing more than a money making scheme. We would be better having certifiers having to prove an understanding of the dynamics of lifted 4wds, and actually know what is and isn't safe on the vehicles. THAT would actually help in making the roads safer.

the point the ltsa nzta is trying to ram home is that these wagons are dangerous and accesible to 15yr olds. putting through these new rules will mean there are going to be LESS OF THEM ON THE ROAD. certifiers certify a vehicle. a club sticker is for the vehicle. the harder it is to get these legal the less of them there will be on the road. less accidents. less deaths. SIMPLE. same way whiteys beat the mari's. not in war but though law.

What a load of crap. Vehicles are dangerous in the wrong hands full stop. Are they going to enforce a law where lowered vehicles must have a club sticker from a car club?
How can you think a club sticker on a 4wd makes them less accessible to an inexperienced driver?
Once again, is it not the VEHICLE, not the DRIVER that gets a card? Is this vehicle not available for ANY licenced driver to drive once it has it's card?

[u13turbo]

A 15yo can jump behind a v8 or a rice burner which would be more of a weapon?!?!

So where is this auctully going............

If someone is going to drive like a idiot ,then they will drive like a idot.

We cant control peoples thought patterns just like we will never control what kind of cars they are going to jump into

That is the truth, if someone wants to be dangerous, they can do it in anything

[KIWI_TERRANO]

new laws 50mm lift, fine. over 50mm needs a cert or no wof, over 100mm lift, you will need a cert plus a nzfwda card signed by your club captain or pres that you are a active 4wd owner, card last a year, no one can have a lifted truck over 100mm and not be in a club, take it or nothing by the powers that be, fight and have no lifted trucks
those who are part of the NZFWDA need to inform you all better

Is this been put into place allready or is it just "In Talking"

Just to double check?

[mikee]

People kill themselves in wheelie bins what sticker do they need and which club do you need to belong to.

[willferris]

Mate, I'm enthused about the hassle of joining a club an shelling out a few hundred bucks for a weetbix sticker as you are - but what's the point in getting upset about something you can't change.I know as well as the LTSA NZTA NZFWDA that the "sticker" makes no difference to who is going to drive the vehicle.
The "sticker" is that extra step that makes it legal to drive a 100mm+ lifted vehicle on the road. An extra hurdle to jump through to have a legally lifted vehicle. Something to put people off lifting vehicles unless necesary...
The chaps at LTSA NZTA aren't stupid they will have a lot of data pointing to "accidents" that occur with lifted vehicles, and for some reason it must have come up that "legal" lifted vehicles are frequent in accidents. Both organisations look bad when legal vehicles crash and people die. it is in there charter to reduce ROAD ACCIDENTS. If there are less lifted vehicels on the road there will be less accidents. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. You personally will pay less tax, If there are less road accidents. Just be done with it. Or start your own political party. Don't complain about it...

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IzpsDowoy4dNpuxvG5CrdQ?feat=directlink

[gimmemud]

Mate, I'm enthused about the hassle of joining a club an shelling out a few hundred bucks for a weetbix sticker as you are - but what's the point in getting upset about something you can't change.I know as well as the LTSA NZTA NZFWDA that the "sticker" makes no difference to who is going to drive the vehicle.
The "sticker" is that extra step that makes it legal to drive a 100mm+ lifted vehicle on the road. An extra hurdle to jump through to have a legally lifted vehicle. Something to put people off lifting vehicles unless necesary...
The chaps at LTSA NZTA aren't stupid they will have a lot of data pointing to "accidents" that occur with lifted vehicles, and for some reason it must have come up that "legal" lifted vehicles are frequent in accidents. Both organisations look bad when legal vehicles crash and people die. it is in there charter to reduce ROAD ACCIDENTS. If there are less lifted vehicels on the road there will be less accidents. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. You personally will pay less tax, If there are less road accidents. Just be done with it. Or start your own political party. Don't complain about it...

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IzpsDowoy4dNpuxvG5CrdQ?feat=directlink

Because, alcohol, sleep deprivation, showing off, etc.. never has anything to do with road accidents. How many road accidents involving modified four wheel drives were because of the vehicles modifications? whenever you hear of a fatal accident you almost always hear the word alcohol involved.
If they were really serious about this and safety they would make every lift require a bullshit card, or a special license.
These new laws that are coming in are most likely from someone that is really good at whinging and whinging to the right people, not a bunch of people crying on a forum, or a locked NZFWDA room

[gimmemud]

Oh yes and thanks for the irrelevant asian road casualty sign. Have you seen the way they drive? and what they drive? and there funny eyes

[rangimotors]

Mate, I'm enthused about the hassle of joining a club an shelling out a few hundred bucks for a weetbix sticker as you are - but what's the point in getting upset about something you can't change.I know as well as the LTSA NZTA NZFWDA that the "sticker" makes no difference to who is going to drive the vehicle.
The "sticker" is that extra step that makes it legal to drive a 100mm+ lifted vehicle on the road. An extra hurdle to jump through to have a legally lifted vehicle. Something to put people off lifting vehicles unless necesary...
The chaps at LTSA NZTA aren't stupid they will have a lot of data pointing to "accidents" that occur with lifted vehicles, and for some reason it must have come up that "legal" lifted vehicles are frequent in accidents. Both organisations look bad when legal vehicles crash and people die. it is in there charter to reduce ROAD ACCIDENTS. If there are less lifted vehicels on the road there will be less accidents. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. You personally will pay less tax, If there are less road accidents. Just be done with it. Or start your own political party. Don't complain about it...

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IzpsDowoy4dNpuxvG5CrdQ?feat=directlink

its like you think you'll just beable to pay your club fee, never do any club trips or training etc and expect the club leader to give you a "sticker". The problem i have with it is club captains are smart enough to cover there asses and will certainly not be signing off on every man and his dog because it may come back on them when it all goes wrong..

Same old club shit will go on like "you must do a certain amount of club trips before doing a grade 5 club trip" as well as training and being a member for a certain amount of time. Just another unqualified person in the loop taking charge of what you can and CAN'T do with your truck.

[KIWI_TERRANO]

Mate, I'm enthused about the hassle of joining a club an shelling out a few hundred bucks for a weetbix sticker as you are - but what's the point in getting upset about something you can't change.I know as well as the LTSA NZTA NZFWDA that the "sticker" makes no difference to who is going to drive the vehicle.
The "sticker" is that extra step that makes it legal to drive a 100mm+ lifted vehicle on the road. An extra hurdle to jump through to have a legally lifted vehicle. Something to put people off lifting vehicles unless necesary...
The chaps at LTSA NZTA aren't stupid they will have a lot of data pointing to "accidents" that occur with lifted vehicles, and for some reason it must have come up that "legal" lifted vehicles are frequent in accidents. Both organisations look bad when legal vehicles crash and people die. it is in there charter to reduce ROAD ACCIDENTS. If there are less lifted vehicels on the road there will be less accidents. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. You personally will pay less tax, If there are less road accidents. Just be done with it. Or start your own political party. Don't complain about it...

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IzpsDowoy4dNpuxvG5CrdQ?feat=directlink

Who is this guy and has he been in a club before?????
If this comes into affect its going to #### alot of people up end of

[willferris]

Mate, I'm enthused about the hassle of joining a club an shelling out a few hundred bucks for a weetbix sticker as you are - but what's the point in getting upset about something you can't change.I know as well as the LTSA NZTA NZFWDA that the "sticker" makes no difference to who is going to drive the vehicle.
The "sticker" is that extra step that makes it legal to drive a 100mm+ lifted vehicle on the road. An extra hurdle to jump through to have a legally lifted vehicle. Something to put people off lifting vehicles unless necesary...
The chaps at LTSA NZTA aren't stupid they will have a lot of data pointing to "accidents" that occur with lifted vehicles, and for some reason it must have come up that "legal" lifted vehicles are frequent in accidents. Both organisations look bad when legal vehicles crash and people die. it is in there charter to reduce ROAD ACCIDENTS. If there are less lifted vehicels on the road there will be less accidents. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. You personally will pay less tax, If there are less road accidents. Just be done with it. Or start your own political party. Don't complain about it...

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IzpsDowoy4dNpuxvG5CrdQ?feat=directlink

Because, alcohol, sleep deprivation, showing off, etc.. never has anything to do with road accidents. How many road accidents involving modified four wheel drives were because of the vehicles modifications? whenever you hear of a fatal accident you almost always hear the word alcohol involved.
If they were really serious about this and safety they would make every lift require a bullshit card, or a special license.
These new laws that are coming in are most likely from someone that is really good at whinging and whinging to the right people, not a bunch of people crying on a forum, or a locked NZFWDA room

THe club captains are not certifying YOU or YOUR driving skills they are certifying the vehicles "need" for a 100MM+ lift.

It is one extra check up a year for a 100MM+ lifted vehicle.

Yes I have seen people in Hong kong / asia drive. I have just got back from a trip around ASIA and yes they do have little respect for road rules hence the 21000+ people dead last year.... is this where you would like NZ to go, an cut the racist shit about having smaller eyes. Would you drop that on bruce lee?

21000 people is FAR TO MANY TO DIE. It is semi irrealevant to this topic but this topic is about people dying crashing and getting injured, not about taking away your rights to bear arms... Should you feasibly need a 100mm+ lift then add in the cost in purchasing the vehicle.
Simple. Don't hate the messengers or those that can see reason with it.

Start your own politcal party and seek a law change or referendum.

[SP450andLE]

Mate, I'm enthused about the hassle of joining a club an shelling out a few hundred bucks for a weetbix sticker as you are - but what's the point in getting upset about something you can't change.I know as well as the LTSA NZTA NZFWDA that the "sticker" makes no difference to who is going to drive the vehicle.
The "sticker" is that extra step that makes it legal to drive a 100mm+ lifted vehicle on the road. An extra hurdle to jump through to have a legally lifted vehicle. Something to put people off lifting vehicles unless necesary...
The chaps at LTSA NZTA aren't stupid they will have a lot of data pointing to "accidents" that occur with lifted vehicles, and for some reason it must have come up that "legal" lifted vehicles are frequent in accidents. Both organisations look bad when legal vehicles crash and people die. it is in there charter to reduce ROAD ACCIDENTS. If there are less lifted vehicels on the road there will be less accidents. IT IS THAT SIMPLE. You personally will pay less tax, If there are less road accidents. Just be done with it. Or start your own political party. Don't complain about it...

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IzpsDowoy4dNpuxvG5CrdQ?feat=directlink

Because, alcohol, sleep deprivation, showing off, etc.. never has anything to do with road accidents. How many road accidents involving modified four wheel drives were because of the vehicles modifications? whenever you hear of a fatal accident you almost always hear the word alcohol involved.
If they were really serious about this and safety they would make every lift require a bullshit card, or a special license.
These new laws that are coming in are most likely from someone that is really good at whinging and whinging to the right people, not a bunch of people crying on a forum, or a locked NZFWDA room

The media will jump at any chance to mention alcohol, whenever it is involved in a fatal accident. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that alcohol is the only cause. Quite often there are multiple reasons for a fatal incident. But the media believes, quite rightly, that the general public is more interested in one quick answer, or reason for the incidents, so alcohol is duly blamed.

Just my 2 cents...

[Lynx]

Why are you guys twisting yourselves up in knots about something with no hard facts and evidence yet??

[mudlva]

Why are you guys twisting yourselves up in knots about something with no hard facts and evidence yet??

exactly

[haynzy]

bunch of whingers, a cert costs about $4oo, the average tank of gas for a 4wd would cost $100. harden up and get it legal, do what ya have to to enjoy your hobby. How would you feel if someone close to you was killed by an illegally modified car?
If ya want to have a truck with a stupidly high centre of gravity that flops on its side when yachange the station on the wireless then buy a trailer.
my 2 c

[juz]

bunch of whingers, a cert costs about $4oo, the average tank of gas for a 4wd would cost $100. harden up and get it legal, do what ya have to to enjoy your hobby. How would you feel if someone close to you was killed by an illegally modified car?
If ya want to have a truck with a stupidly high centre of gravity that flops on its side when yachange the station on the wireless then buy a trailer.
my 2 c

Spot on!, I certed my Ute chop end of last year, now Ive gotta re-cert for new engine.No biggie. Last one was like $375 and he travelled 40min out of town to check it. Shop around there not all $400-500.

[crazyclark31]

were i come from the local 4wd clubs don't want to jion the nzfwda as they cannot see the benifits from it. If i decided to stand for election on the local club and try and force it i'd get laughed out of the room. This need to get some dick who likes to think they know enough to say if my truck is safe enough to drive with a 100mm lift is crap.

my question is If i had a crash in my cert'd and 'stickered' truck and ended up in court would that person who 'stickered' my truck be willing to get up and say it was a safe truck. wouldn't they also be liable if my truck was deemed unsafe in the event of a crash?

Also as with most of the dumb laws that come in all it does is increase the amount of unwof'd,cert'd,rego'ed and insured vehciles on the road.
Just enforce the current laws better you morons!!!!(LSTA and co)

[Mudde1]

This need to get some dick who likes to think they know enough to say if my truck is safe enough to drive with a 100mm lift is crap.

my question is If i had a crash in my cert'd and 'stickered' truck and ended up in court would that person who 'stickered' my truck be willing to get up and say it was a safe truck. wouldn't they also be liable if my truck was deemed unsafe in the event of a crash?

Also as with most of the dumb laws that come in all it does is increase the amount of unwof'd,cert'd,rego'ed and insured vehciles on the road.
Just enforce the current laws better you morons!!!!(LSTA and co)

Lots of incorrect assumptions in this post( and some others). The club caption will only be signing the Authority card to say that you have been part of NZFWDA for 1 year or more, and that you are a fit and proper person to hold an authority card.nothing more. The certify er is only signing to say the vehicle meet the requirements when they examined it. it is up to the owner to keep it safe and legal.There will be better enforcement of current laws as you want, and for those who wish to apply and,an exemption to some rules will be available in some circumstances. whats your problem with that? if you don't believe in the authority card system, please don't apply for one, or are you saying that NZFWDA should do nothing and just let it happen???
Tony Burgess
President
NZFWDA

[Sketchy_Racer]

Authority card, you have to be kidding me? It's just one more fuckwit to deal with before you can get on and go do what you enjoy and modify your vehicle to suit certification rules.

When will these pen pushing dickheads realise that you can change all the laws and #### it all over for the people that follow the current rules and are safe, but at the end of the day, the people that don't give a toss about the current rules and laws aren't going to give anymore of a shit about new ones. Explain to me how your proposed idea is going to change this? All I am reading is an over complex cock up that does nothing but makes life simply difficult for those interested in serious 4x4ing.

There is only one action required to 'fix' this problem that has been pulled out of someone's arse, and that is to simply correctly enforce the current rules, and save us all a whole bunch of cocking about.

[DaveM]

bunch of whingers, a cert costs about $4oo, the average tank of gas for a 4wd would cost $100. harden up and get it legal, do what ya have to to enjoy your hobby. How would you feel if someone close to you was killed by an illegally modified car?
If ya want to have a truck with a stupidly high centre of gravity that flops on its side when yachange the station on the wireless then buy a trailer.
my 2 c

WTF? The LVVC remains the same, so even after this comes into affect, you still need the cert for the same mods. How will getting an authority card help?
The only difference now is that you need a club captain to say thay you are fit enough to drive. So, how does this help Haynzy? The same stupidly high vehicles will still get certed, the club will not have a say in that. Their input is only into whether the captain thinks YOU should be allowed to drive.

[DaveM]

This need to get some dick who likes to think they know enough to say if my truck is safe enough to drive with a 100mm lift is crap.

my question is If i had a crash in my cert'd and 'stickered' truck and ended up in court would that person who 'stickered' my truck be willing to get up and say it was a safe truck. wouldn't they also be liable if my truck was deemed unsafe in the event of a crash?

Also as with most of the dumb laws that come in all it does is increase the amount of unwof'd,cert'd,rego'ed and insured vehciles on the road.
Just enforce the current laws better you morons!!!!(LSTA and co)

Lots of incorrect assumptions in this post( and some others). The club caption will only be signing the Authority card to say that you have been part of NZFWDA for 1 year or more, and that you are a fit and proper person to hold an authority card.nothing more. The certify er is only signing to say the vehicle meet the requirements when they examined it. it is up to the owner to keep it safe and legal.There will be better enforcement of current laws as you want, and for those who wish to apply and,an exemption to some rules will be available in some circumstances. whats your problem with that? if you don't believe in the authority card system, please don't apply for one, or are you saying that NZFWDA should do nothing and just let it happen???
Tony Burgess
President
NZFWDA

This is my whole point. You have always needed a cert for these mods, correct? So the only thing changing is a Club Captain to say that I am a fit and proper person to hold an Authority card, correct? What sort of formal training will these club captains have, to be able to make these judgements?

How, as willferris keeps saying, does this make our roads safer? I have no problem joining a club, and doing it by the book, but some people live in a fantasy land if they think it's a huge step to making the roads safer.

The certifiers are the ones that need to make sure the vehicles are safe for the road, an Authority card will increase club membership, and help those interested in off road driving, but again, how is this relevant to on road? I can get an authority card, and still have anyone drive my vehicle with out any experience whatsoever, correct?

[DaveM]

THe club captains are not certifying YOU or YOUR driving skills they are certifying the vehicles "need" for a 100MM+ lift.

The club caption will only be signing the Authority card to say that you have been part of NZFWDA for 1 year or more, and that you are a fit and proper person to hold an authority card.nothing more. The certify er is only signing to say the vehicle meet the requirements when they examined it. it is up to the owner to keep it safe and legal.
Tony Burgess
President
NZFWDA

This is the part that needs clarifying, and why I have a bee under my bonnet.
According to the NZ4WDA, it is just a judgement on the person that joins the club, nothing to do with the vehicle or whether the mods suit the needs of the vehicle

[jj1959]

All you idiots whingeing about new LTSA laws need to get off your collective backsides, and join an NZFWDA club and have your say in a forum that can actually do something. Currently the NZFWDA is the only legitimate organization lobbying on behalf of ALL four wheelers.

[mikee]

So the NZFWDA will benefit financially from this and they are pushing it with LTSA.

[kiwipete]

All you idiots whingeing about new LTSA laws need to get off your collective backsides, and join an NZFWDA club and have your say in a forum that can actually do something. Currently the NZFWDA is the only legitimate organization lobbying on behalf of ALL four wheelers.

Is there something on their website about all this? I had a look but saw nothing.

[wjw]

Stop picking on the NZFWDA. If they weren't involved then I bet we would be alot worse off.

So to all these whingers, if you don't like what's going to happen get off your arse and do something about it.

Whining on here isn't going to help. Try spending some time being productive and contacting the NZFWDA or LTSA.

If you are a member of the NZFWDA association bring the topic up with your regional Rep.

If your not a member spend the $28? it costs to join and get involved.

The same thing happens with the DOC CMS reviews, everyone whinges about them but doesn't do anything.

[tallsam66]

Why are you guys twisting yourselves up in knots about something with no hard facts and evidence yet??

exactly

[Mudde1]

So the NZFWDA will benefit financially from this and they are pushing it with LTSA.

Unlikely that it will be of any major financial benefit to us. We do intend to charge a small fee so that we don't lose money on the process , but any financial benefit will go back into the assn general budget to benefit members anyway. If members think differently, they need to start to lobby us.

[Mudde1]

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Is there something on their website about all this? I had a look but saw nothing.

my apologies for that . haven't had a chance to finish writeing the article as yet.
Tony Burgess
President
NZFWDA