lifts laws to be inforced

[monstr]

The way I interoperate what’s proposed is that they are trying to stop the cow boys that drive around in huge lifted illegally modified trucks, the type of truck we have all followed at some time on the road and dropped back expecting it to fall over on a corner sooner than later, the type that will never see off road. I think what is being proposed is if you can show that you use your truck off road and therefore the lift you have is needed you can get an exemption .All the club captain/president will be saying is yes you are a member of xyz club and you do use your truck off road so do need the lift you have. If that means you have to join a club so be it, its part of the cost we have to pay .You will still need to get your truck Certed and meet WOF requirements etc its just that when you go for your WOF you will have to show a card to prove that the lift you have is required for the intended use of the vehicle .What the NZ4wda is doing on our behalf needs to be commended not condemned the alternative is a blanket ban on all lifted vehicles .Now some of you are saying that the organisation that you belong to are not affiliated to the Nz4wda ,so wont be included ,Who’s fault is that “ in the past you haven’t been involved as stated there was no benefit in joining and now that the Nz4wda is fighting for the benefit of its members you cry foul” and want to be included even though the fight is being funded by others ,if you feel that strong about it either start talking to NZ4wda or get yourself organised and start talking to LTSA .bleating and moaning on here is going to achieve nothing .

[DieselBoy]

The club caption will only be signing the Authority card to say that you have been part of NZFWDA for 1 year or more, and that you are a fit and proper person to hold an authority card.nothing more

This just got sneaked in the mix!!!!

So you also need to have been in a 4x4 Club for YEAR now before you can get an authority card??

Want kind of draconian crap is this??

More rules for the sake of rules, more red tape and restriction.

I will be running two sets of springs and cut gaurds if this comes into place.


And as for the the guy (willferris) thats just keeps saying in at the end of his posts " just accept it, just roll over and pay up", your attitude is the reason why NZ is full of Nanny laws, our teenagers have no self control and the majority of the population are lemmings, all wipped into submission spending their weekends drinking and watching TV.


What next??


NZ4WDA and local clubs put their club fees up because they know they have 4wheelers over the fence, in that to keep our truck legal you NEED to be a member??

It is very WRONG.

Especially to encourage people to roll over and accept things that no matter how attractively packaged, still place restrictions on their freedom.

Heres a novel idea!!!!

Teach people how to drive, better driver education, better licences tests!!!!

Thats would solve the problem in a more permanent way.

[DieselBoy]

bunch of whingers, a cert costs about $4oo, the average tank of gas for a 4wd would cost $100. harden up and get it legal, do what ya have to to enjoy your hobby. How would you feel if someone close to you was killed by an illegally modified car?
If ya want to have a truck with a stupidly high centre of gravity that flops on its side when yachange the station on the wireless then buy a trailer.
my 2 c

WTF? The LVVC remains the same, so even after this comes into affect, you still need the cert for the same mods. How will getting an authority card help?
The only difference now is that you need a club captain to say thay you are fit enough to drive. So, how does this help Haynzy? The same stupidly high vehicles will still get certed, the club will not have a say in that. Their input is only into whether the captain thinks YOU should be allowed to drive.

..........and the authority card has nothing to do with with how can or can't drive your vehicle, so whats point in it????


Seriously, what is the REAL point, the one thats underlying all of this.

It hasn't come to the surface yet as far as I can tell.

There is some underlying reason for this, that is looking more underhanded each page this thread continues.................

[DieselBoy]

I think what is being proposed is if you can show that you use your truck off road and therefore the lift you have is needed you can get an exemption .All the club captain/president will be saying is yes you are a member of xyz club and you do use your truck off road so do need the lift you have. If that means you have to join a club so be it, its part of the cost we have to pay ..

Not that simple.

You have to have been a member of a club for a year first.

Then If the club captain likes you and thinks you can drive, he will issue a authority card.

Then ANYONE can drive your lifted truck!!!!!!

Go figure

So if

[J_Dub]

I think what is being proposed is if you can show that you use your truck off road and therefore the lift you have is needed you can get an exemption .All the club captain/president will be saying is yes you are a member of xyz club and you do use your truck off road so do need the lift you have. If that means you have to join a club so be it, its part of the cost we have to pay ..

Not that simple.

You have to have been a member of a club for a year first.

Then If the club captain likes you and thinks you can drive, he will issue a authority card.

Then ANYONE can drive your lifted truck!!!!!!

Go figure

So if

I think it is that simple..

Its going to deter people away that dont actually plan to use their truck for recreational/offroad use..

someone isnt going to go to the effort of joining a club and doing club runs for a year, just to get the "card" just so they can then drive it onroad..

and the club rep that hands out the card im sure will use his judgement wisely too.. its pretty easy to pick out whos responsible and whos not..
So lets say a farmer who has a family, who wants to legally drive his truck on the road, joins a club to get the card (he has a moddified truck for work and hunting) the club rep is going to see this guy is responsible and is a good dude and has a safe truck and just wants to drive his truck, surely the club will acknowledge this and grant his right to use his truck....

[LOLYF]

NZ4WDA and local clubs put their club fees up because they know they have 4wheelers over the fence, in that to keep our truck legal you NEED to be a member??

.

All the clubs i belong to take a vote on fee changes, Does your club not do this or do you just whinge on here instead of voting?

[Twodiffs]

bunch of whingers, a cert costs about $4oo, the average tank of gas for a 4wd would cost $100. harden up and get it legal, do what ya have to to enjoy your hobby. How would you feel if someone close to you was killed by an illegally modified car?
If ya want to have a truck with a stupidly high centre of gravity that flops on its side when yachange the station on the wireless then buy a trailer.
my 2 c

IMO $400 for a cert is a necessary evil, I want my truck to be safe and i'd prefer all oncoming vehicles approaching me at 100kph on the road be safe as well. I got lucky...the previous owner certed mine but having to repay another 4hundy or similar to have further mods certed is bs and thats maybe why there are uncerted and/or unsafe trucks on the road.

If further mods were added to the cert at $50 a time then i'd get my dropboxes qualified, and more likely everyone would keep their mods upto date.

[rangimotors]

I think what is being proposed is if you can show that you use your truck off road and therefore the lift you have is needed you can get an exemption .All the club captain/president will be saying is yes you are a member of xyz club and you do use your truck off road so do need the lift you have. If that means you have to join a club so be it, its part of the cost we have to pay ..

Not that simple.

You have to have been a member of a club for a year first.

Then If the club captain likes you and thinks you can drive, he will issue a authority card.

Then ANYONE can drive your lifted truck!!!!!!

Go figure

So if

I think it is that simple..

Its going to deter people away that dont actually plan to use their truck for recreational/offroad use..

someone isnt going to go to the effort of joining a club and doing club runs for a year, just to get the "card" just so they can then drive it onroad..

and the club rep that hands out the card im sure will use his judgement wisely too.. its pretty easy to pick out whos responsible and whos not..
So lets say a farmer who has a family, who wants to legally drive his truck on the road, joins a club to get the card (he has a moddified truck for work and hunting) the club rep is going to see this guy is responsible and is a good dude and has a safe truck and just wants to drive his truck, surely the club will acknowledge this and grant his right to use his truck....

and if the farmer lives 300k's from the nearest club? and is far to busy working to #### around making friends with a club captain for A YEAR before he can get his new truck legal?

As far as I am conccerned if I buy a truck and have it modified in a safe way and am happy to pay for it to be certified it should have nothing to do with a 4wd club what I use it for. It is not the case for me but if I wanted to drive it only around the streets and never off road, so long as I'm safe and legal what business of a 4wd club is it? No difference to having a 500hp car that I only drive around the street, if its safe and legal (which is why we have police) what business does a club have.
It's like the clubs have blinkers on and can only see one reason for having a lifted truck. Every user on here uses their trucks for a different reason so why try and pull us all under the same blanket. Do you think that becasue you want to compete in 4wd challenges that you have more right to modify your trucks than a guy who wants to take his family out or go fishing on the weekend and has done for 20 years with no problems...

[J_Dub]

fair call
but i guess your average Joe, or farmers trucks are only moderatly modified and will only need wof/reg and maybe a cert so it wont effect them anyways and life will be no different to what it is now.

[Twodiffs]

Well from what i've read on here it's not a club directive that the captain issue a card to verify that the vehicle or it's owner is qualified to have a truck and it's applicable height approved for road use. Clubs are being put in the middle of a sticky situation

I read into the first pages as being this.

Whoever is pulling the strings with this and setting it up wants verification from a club and it's captain that the vehicle IS USED as a bonafide 4wd vehicle so that this can be shown to pc plod when he pulls a truck over.

We all know there are lots of 'show ponies' driving around that only negotiate super market judder bars who could very easily just tell the officer..."it'sa club truck".

Anyhow...we got pulled over for doing 114kph coming back from the coast last weekend near Broken River, 2 cops pinging vehicles as they came off a hill. My lifted (and certed) Safari on 35's with all the gear on for a trip...cops never batted an eyelid, just checked wof and reg as well.

[DaveM]

Anyhow...we got pulled over for doing 114kph coming back from the coast last weekend near Broken River, 2 cops pinging vehicles as they came off a hill. My lifted (and certed) Safari on 35's with all the gear on for a trip...cops never batted an eyelid, just checked wof and reg as well.

Unfortunately, this is where a lot of the problems start. 114kph in lifted 4wds does nothing to help the situation.

I have done as suggested and emailed the LTSA, stating I don't believe this will help in making roads safer in any way.
If they are lead to believe it will, I have asked if clubs rights to issue authority cards will be revoked or reviewed, should members of these clubs be involved in accidents (after all, this card is meant to make us safer)

I have also asked what criteria must be met to entitle the issuing of a card, andwho is responsible for issuing the club captains authority card, as surely everyone must go through the same process.

[KIWI_TERRANO]

fair call
but i guess your average Joe, or farmers trucks are only moderatly modified and will only need wof/reg and maybe a cert so it wont effect them anyways and life will be no different to what it is now.

Have you ever been to the south Island?
There are a number of farmers down this way with 80series ute choped cruiser and hilux that would have a 3-4inch lift and bigger tyres cause of the terrain they face on there propertys.

They wont be certed cause as far as they and there wof inspector are aware are fine and if they are certed and have a 4inch lift they wont want to try join a club for a year and do a minuim amount of trips to meet club requirement.
They have a farm to run and hardly have time off to fit this in!

If you dont want us to whinge then dont put it up here for peoples opions.

[Taz]

What about business vehicles that are lifted? Will DOC officers need to join 4x4 clubs?
Or the fact that a lot of new 4x4 vehicles need to be lifted to fit chains (although I don't think at the moment you have to lift any models over 2" to give enough clearance but that could change).

After months/years of this building up into a hot topic though media reports on 4x4 crashes I still haven't seen ANY stats on how 'dangerous' lifted vehicles actually are compared to other vehicles.
Motorbikes in particular as well as standard 4x4s as if things like this were just about safety on the road it would be a lot harder to own a crotch rocket first.

Has the LTSA actually provided any of this information that they must have been gathering if they were going to ban all lifted vehicles completely?

I am not complaining, but I have NEVER been pulled up and had my (mildly) modified 4x4 checked, I have friends who are 'car enthusiasts' who get stopped once a week. Why are they not targeting 4x4's if dodgy illegal lifts are a problem?

Are there actually any crashes where an excessive lift is the sole cause? It always seems to be combined with age, booze, fatigue or driver error, all of which can cause fatal accidents in ANY type of vehicle. Even push bikes!

[crazyclark31]

again it seems that this 'card' issue is what the problem seems to be.

I don't know how many people i've met that have very well modified trucks,are responible drivers and drive safely but don't and do not want to join a club. Why should they have to just so they and a group of mates can out and have some fun in thier truck.
I think that you should only need to get your truck cert'd for a lift.

Most of the local clubs down here are only a group of people that get together for a fun day/weekend and have no interest in the political aspect of 4wding.Hence them not wanting to join the nzfwda.
I understand that the nzfwda is working hard on behalf of the 4wd community but don't think making people have a card is the solution. Again it comes across as a money thing and not a safety thing.
If they are so concerned about the safty of raised 4wds on the road wouldn't better driver education be the better answer than introducing some dumdass law?

[kbushnz]

This is the way I think it could go....(Dont flame me )

You can mod your vehicle to a certain threshold without gaining a cert as long as you have an authority card and belong to a club etc etc. And it might be only a few areas (harnesses, tyre size, lifts whatever)
Once the threshold is exceeded then its cert time....

Anyone else will have to obtain a cert from the off.

If you sell or plan to sell your vehicle, then it can be to another club member who gets a card etc etc or it gets certified fully and sold on the open market.

So those in clubs, lobby you committee members to get info.
Those not in clubs, lobby the LTSA for said info.

No point spinning out until you get the facts !..

Calvin

[Twodiffs]

Wasn't pulled over because it was a lifted 4wd DaveM, my other half didn't realise the speed had snuck up coming off a hill. They had a nice shiny standard Mistral pulled over as well.

There's a swb cruiser, rugger or similar that frequents Hornby during the week, saw it round a corner off Blenheim Road onto the Curletts road motorway yesterday. At a guess it's on 33's minimum, gotta be 4-6 inches susp lift, dunno bout body lift but he took the bend very very carefully. Actually looks friggin ridiculous to be honest and is an accident waiting to happen if he has to brake and swerve suddenly...even a good nor wester would blow it over i reckon. That is the safety aspect that new lift laws etc will help contain.

[KIWI_TERRANO]

Wasn't pulled over because it was a lifted 4wd DaveM, my other half didn't realise the speed had snuck up coming off a hill. They had a nice shiny standard Mistral pulled over as well.

There's a swb cruiser, rugger or similar that frequents Hornby during the week, saw it round a corner off Blenheim Road onto the Curletts road motorway yesterday. At a guess it's on 33's minimum, gotta be 4-6 inches susp lift, dunno bout body lift but he took the bend very very carefully. Actually looks friggin ridiculous to be honest and is an accident waiting to happen if he has to brake and swerve suddenly...even a good nor wester would blow it over i reckon. That is the safety aspect that new lift laws etc will help contain.

I have to seen this vehicle and its stupidly high and very narrow.

But in regards to the safety of this vehicle how does it get cert?
My surf was thrown out of its first cert check cause it had to much body roll and got told to sort it out so shouldnt this stop vehicles with bad body roll from getting cert????

[gimmemud]

Wasn't pulled over because it was a lifted 4wd DaveM, my other half didn't realise the speed had snuck up coming off a hill. They had a nice shiny standard Mistral pulled over as well.

There's a swb cruiser, rugger or similar that frequents Hornby during the week, saw it round a corner off Blenheim Road onto the Curletts road motorway yesterday. At a guess it's on 33's minimum, gotta be 4-6 inches susp lift, dunno bout body lift but he took the bend very very carefully. Actually looks friggin ridiculous to be honest and is an accident waiting to happen if he has to brake and swerve suddenly...even a good nor wester would blow it over i reckon. That is the safety aspect that new lift laws etc will help contain.

That's just the thing, there is no safety aspect to this new law. That guy can rock up to his meetings go on a couple of trips, possibly even tip his truck over, which occasionally unfortunately happens to even only slightly lifted/not lifted trucks, but as long as he shows that he uses his 4wd for it's intended purpose he gets his card.
That's the whole problem with this new law, it isn't actually a step in any direction, the only people that will benefit from this is NZFWDA because they will have more money in their account. If they really want to make this about safety, make the NZFWDA association put that money into a really good insurance and make the club president liable for giving out this weetbix card and actually have to train these drivers to use the vehicle properly. But we all know this will never happen.

[coxsy]

has there been any suggestion you have to pay for said 'card' no. again everything is at the talking stage, brought this up to inform the members of ore many who are freelance 4wd guys.

[gimmemud]

has there been any suggestion you have to pay for said 'card' no. again everything is at the talking stage, brought this up to inform the members of ore many who are freelance 4wd guys.

Unlikely that it will be of any major financial benefit to us. We do intend to charge a small fee so that we don't lose money on the process , but any financial benefit will go back into the assn general budget to benefit members anyway. If members think differently, they need to start to lobby us.

Can you tell me what these member benefits are to being part of the NZFWDA assuming this card system doesn't come in? I have been part of two 4wd clubs for a year each and didn't see any benefit in joining unless i wanted to do winch challenges. There are some benefits of joining a club, for access to private land etc but that had nothing to do with NZFWDA.

[DaveM]

Wasn't pulled over because it was a lifted 4wd DaveM, my other half didn't realise the speed had snuck up coming off a hill. They had a nice shiny standard Mistral pulled over as well.

I realise that, point is more that because it is lifted with bigger tyres, we should be more aware of the speed we are going.
These extremely high 4wds won't be stopped from driving on the road. If they can get a cert now, they will do in the future. Joe blogs just needs to join a club, get a card and he is still out there on the roads.

Why not just make cert. standards more realistic, and issued by those with a REAL understanding of the limitations of what is safe. There seem to be too many LEGAL vehicles out there that are borderline dangerous

[Sadam_Husain]

Can you tell me what these member benefits are to being part of the NZFWDA assuming this card system doesn't come in?

assuming NZFWDA are lobying as members want them to, being a member of LVVTA and having a voice on it must be seen as a benefit?

NZFWDA have for some years been part of LVVTA and put the effort (and finance) into setting LVVTA up. Combined clubs are not part of LVVTA so will not be able to reap the benefits that come from being members. The same applies to ORNZ.
Tony Burgess
President
NZFWDA

[Mudde1]

The club caption will only be signing the Authority card to say that you have been part of NZFWDA for 1 year or more, and that you are a fit and proper person to hold an authority card.nothing more

This just got sneaked in the mix!!!!
No it didnt, it has always been intended that this would be part of the requirements.

So you also need to have been in a 4x4 Club for YEAR now before you can get an authority card??

Want kind of draconian crap is this??

More rules for the sake of rules, more red tape and restriction.

I will be running two sets of springs and cut gaurds if this comes into place.

you aren't intending to make illegal mods to your vehicle after it is wof or certerfied are you??
And as for the the guy (willferris) thats just keeps saying in at the end of his posts " just accept it, just roll over and pay up", your attitude is the reason why NZ is full of Nanny laws, our teenagers have no self control and the majority of the population are lemmings, all wipped into submission spending their weekends drinking and watching TV.


What next??


NZ4WDA and local clubs put their club fees up because they know they have 4wheelers over the fence, in that to keep our truck legal you NEED to be a member??

It is very WRONG.
It is wrong, NZFWDA haven't put up fees in many years, infact they were reduced recently.
Especially to encourage people to roll over and accept things that no matter how attractively packaged, still place restrictions on their freedom.

Heres a novel idea!!!!

Teach people how to drive, better driver education, better licences tests!!!!

Thats would solve the problem in a more permanent way.

Its a matter of public record that this is happening soon.[i][/i]

[Twodiffs]

Wasn't pulled over because it was a lifted 4wd DaveM, my other half didn't realise the speed had snuck up coming off a hill. They had a nice shiny standard Mistral pulled over as well.

There's a swb cruiser, rugger or similar that frequents Hornby during the week, saw it round a corner off Blenheim Road onto the Curletts road motorway yesterday. At a guess it's on 33's minimum, gotta be 4-6 inches susp lift, dunno bout body lift but he took the bend very very carefully. Actually looks friggin ridiculous to be honest and is an accident waiting to happen if he has to brake and swerve suddenly...even a good nor wester would blow it over i reckon. That is the safety aspect that new lift laws etc will help contain.

I have to seen this vehicle and its stupidly high and very narrow.

But in regards to the safety of this vehicle how does it get cert?
My surf was thrown out of its first cert check cause it had to much body roll and got told to sort it out so shouldnt this stop vehicles with bad body roll from getting cert????

Probably same one...looks like a zuk on 37's as you say. It may even be certed who knows - i'd be surprised if it is.

[tweake]

i can understand where they are coming from for this card.
it similar to what required for some firearms licenses (MSSA and pistols). you have to show intended use and the easiest way is club membership. however the big difference is your not restricted to one club/association unlike whats being proposed here.

no offense to Mudde1 but it really doesn't matter how good the intentions are or past history is, or what fees are or have been. as soon as its a guaranteed membership and income there is always someone who will take it over for their own agenda.
the single biggest factor in keeping a club straight is that its voluntary membership. they have to work to keep their members. once membership is a requirement the club can do what it likes regardless of what its members think.

it would be far better off having LTSA manage it all.

[Twodiffs]

There's a swb cruiser, rugger or similar that frequents Hornby during the week, saw it round a corner off Blenheim Road onto the Curletts road motorway yesterday. At a guess it's on 33's minimum, gotta be 4-6 inches susp lift, dunno bout body lift but he took the bend very very carefully. Actually looks friggin ridiculous to be honest and is an accident waiting to happen if he has to brake and swerve suddenly...even a good nor wester would blow it over i reckon. That is the safety aspect that new lift laws etc will help contain.

That's just the thing, there is no safety aspect to this new law. That guy can rock up to his meetings go on a couple of trips, possibly even tip his truck over, which occasionally unfortunately happens to even only slightly lifted/not lifted trucks, but as long as he shows that he uses his 4wd for it's intended purpose he gets his card.
That's the whole problem with this new law, it isn't actually a step in any direction, the only people that will benefit from this is NZFWDA because they will have more money in their account. If they really want to make this about safety, make the NZFWDA association put that money into a really good insurance and make the club president liable for giving out this weetbix card and actually have to train these drivers to use the vehicle properly. But we all know this will never happen.

There's a ton of truth in what you just said and if all this kicks off then hopefully certification will have to be obtained/shown before someone can get their weetbix card.

Bit of a rant but these turkeys seem to want to deminish the 4wd community and yet they forget what we do as clubs and individuals when it comes to emergency callouts such as heavy snow and earthquakes. Hmmm Get rid of those big tyres and lift BUT ummm we've got a bit of a problem..can you help please mr 4wder?

[mikee]

So I am a bit slow and still cant get this,if you have a cert for a body lift why do we need a card from a club or why do we need any thing more than the cert plate that states the lift.

[monstr]

So I am a bit slow and still cant get this,if you have a cert for a body lift why do we need a card from a club or why do we need any thing more than the cert plate that states the lift.

My understanding of the proposed new rules are if you have a certified road legal truck at the time this is intruduced you wont be required to get the card .

[LOLYF]

So I am a bit slow and still cant get this,if you have a cert for a body lift why do we need a card from a club or why do we need any thing more than the cert plate that states the lift.

To prove that the vehicle is used for its intended purpose IE offroad driving. It's to stop boyracers who lift the crap out of 4wd's so they look cool. these sort of people wont join a 4wd club so there vehicles wont get a warrent and can't cause harm when driven by muppets on the road.

Does that make sense now?

I'ts the same as having to prove you do motorsport events if you have a cage in your street/race car. If your not racing you don't need a cage do you!

[DieselBoy]

The club caption will only be signing the Authority card to say that you have been part of NZFWDA for 1 year or more, and that you are a fit and proper person to hold an authority card.nothing more

This just got sneaked in the mix!!!!
No it didnt, it has always been intended that this would be part of the requirements.

So you also need to have been in a 4x4 Club for YEAR now before you can get an authority card??

Want kind of draconian crap is this??

More rules for the sake of rules, more red tape and restriction.

I will be running two sets of springs and cut gaurds if this comes into place.

you aren't intending to make illegal mods to your vehicle after it is wof or certerfied are you??
And as for the the guy (willferris) thats just keeps saying in at the end of his posts " just accept it, just roll over and pay up", your attitude is the reason why NZ is full of Nanny laws, our teenagers have no self control and the majority of the population are lemmings, all wipped into submission spending their weekends drinking and watching TV.


What next??


NZ4WDA and local clubs put their club fees up because they know they have 4wheelers over the fence, in that to keep our truck legal you NEED to be a member??

It is very WRONG.
It is wrong, NZFWDA haven't put up fees in many years, infact they were reduced recently.
Especially to encourage people to roll over and accept things that no matter how attractively packaged, still place restrictions on their freedom.

Heres a novel idea!!!!

Teach people how to drive, better driver education, better licences tests!!!!

Thats would solve the problem in a more permanent way.

Its a matter of public record that this is happening soon.[i][/i]

You see my point obviously then

You figured it out straight away that people will be even more inclined to make illegal mods to their trucks following the rule change, as going through the process of permanently belonging to a 4x4 club as is WAY to much effort

Mr plod ain't gonna crawl under my muddy truck with tape measure.

If it gets stickered, just swap springs and tyres before it gets inspected. Simple.

My main objection o the whole thing is its just more rules and regulations and expence being added to the whole thing, for no real benefit to the individual.

The only benefit I see from it all is It might save the odd idiot from themselves. Maybe one or two a year??

For the average four wheeler, its just another expense and hassle on top of everything else.

What do we get out of it??

We obviously aren't the problem, if we are all going to get issued with authority cards.......

We obviously aren't the problem, if we are all going to get our lifts certed.........

So it again begs the question, are the proposed rules not targeting the wrong people??

Sure it might encourage more people to join clubs, but with a years wait before you can get the weetbix licence to say your truck can be lifted, I doubt anyone who isn't already a club member would bother to wait the year and kiss the club captains ass.

So again, the ones who play by the rules, are already playing by the rules. The new rules just hurt them more.

It will have no effect on those that don't play by the rules, who are the problem in the first place. There will always be a way around it.