Offroad-Express

KiwiBacon wrote:

vvega wrote:kiwi you lost .. get over it
take a look at any of the "cheerleaders" trips were mudzilla is driving his truck and you will see lpg fume in action and working without det
there is no mob mentality there just a idiot who was proven wrong and cant get past it

you did it wrong get over it

This is the guy who thinks an idling 3.9 litre diesel engine consumes 6 litres of air per minute.
Later revised his estimate to 60 litres a minute and still doesn't know what the debate was.

His sidekick claims to have a landcruiser with over 900Nm of torque, which turned into 900Nm of talk which couldn't be backed up.

It's pretty hard to have an intelligent debate in such company.

Jafa wrote:Heres some vids fom Thompsons track, Mudzilla in his 1kzte Hilux, Ben in the tree fiddy fordie and my Jalopy































More coming soon!

flyingbrick wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:
You claim to tune cars (and be good at it) yet you don't even know how much air an engine ingests.

I'm off to do some work, I'll be back much later on.

I've seen a few of waynes vehicles over the years and a few of his tunes.... Its pretty safe to say he knows what he is doing ....regardless of how much air is ingested into whatever engine.
I have seen him achieve in one or two weekends what takes some people months (1uz into his previous truck jumps to mind.. this included custom bellhousing/engine mounts/etc etc etc and was very impressive from many aspects) and i have ridden in atleast 3 vehicles in 2 years which were built/tuned by wayne and which were quite fast (his current truck is stupidly fast and his 400hp Aw11 was just rediculious)
Its actually a shame you do not know more about him- you'd feel quite stupid having made the comments that you have.

I personally have a whole lot more respect for people who go out and do stuff and more importantly people who go out and do stuff and who are successful (like all the people here who have been using lpg for long periods of time).

With regards to you getting back to work.............Sounds like you must be flat out- what with all the time you are able to spend on the WWW.

Perhaps you could submit your life to that NZpolice add on tv.. i can see it now.

you walk in the front door

Hunnnyyyyy. im hooome.

your bf walks up and gives you a hug

aw baby how was your day at work?

you get all starey eyed..(mostly because you are hugging a bloke)

oh it was pretty quiet I WAS ON THE INTERNET MOST OF THE DAY TRYING TO PROVE TO ALL OF OFF-ROAD-EXPRESS THAT LPG INJECTION IS BAD AND THAT IM NOT A TOTAL F-WIT

and then your bf is like


and its like

get some better work stories.

DieselBoy wrote:Don't make me post "THE" Photo's

vvega wrote:comming from the guy that dosent know what a flashpoint or a boiling point is that mildly amusing
nothing you have said has been backed up with anything other than you sticking a pipe up a intake and turning the tap on
yet we gave you articals and documents .. systems for sale with warranty's
video's of a truck running in full load conditions on fume
and yet you still come back to your flawed test in which you failed miserably to accuratly measure the flow and frankly with your willingness to lie i don't doubt the results are completely false as well

vvega wrote:here are some vids including muzilla
you have one vid
we have about 20 of it working
game over buddy
time to move on and get some better work stoys

KiwiBacon wrote:

vvega wrote:How do you explain the detonation in my video?

KiwiBacon wrote:

vvega wrote:comming from the guy that dosent know what a flashpoint or a boiling point is that mildly amusing
nothing you have said has been backed up with anything other than you sticking a pipe up a intake and turning the tap on
yet we gave you articals and documents .. systems for sale with warranty's
video's of a truck running in full load conditions on fume
and yet you still come back to your flawed test in which you failed miserably to accuratly measure the flow and frankly with your willingness to lie i don't doubt the results are completely false as well

Look up flash point and boiling point for lpg. They both happen in the bottle. Unless you're injecting liquid (which none of these systems are) it's irrelevant.

Flashpoint -104C
Boiling point -42C
Source:
http://www.iigas.com/propane_msds.htm

Is there going to be any tech from you at all?

vvega wrote:here are some vids including muzilla
you have one vid
we have about 20 of it working
game over buddy
time to move on and get some better work stoys

KiwiBacon wrote:
Nice videos but how are they relevant and how do they prove that it lpg isn't detonating?
How do you explain the detonation in my video?

KiwiBacon wrote:You've repeated over and over again that lpg can't burn below the LFL, but can't understand that the flammability limits involve external ignition, not internal heat.

KiwiBacon wrote:What does your homophobia have to do with lpg in diesels?

mudzilla wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:

vvega wrote:How do you explain the detonation in my video?

WHAT PART OF....TO MUCH LPG DO YOU NOT FECKING UNDERSTAND DICKHEAD

vvega wrote:you have very audable det in your vid yet you cant hear any in his
even when standing next to the truck.. you cant hear it

vvega wrote:explaining yours.. we've done this a million times and you still cant get it
you did it wrong .. just like you got your measurements wrong ... just like you don't understand the technical words
you don't have the knowledge or the ability to fume its that simple
why is that so hard for you to understand

vvega wrote:lol nope you still don't know how it works what it means or even what your tring to say and your uneducable so what's the point trying
funny how you have gone from not having a simple understanding of even the words involved let alone the theory and yet now your a expert ??
and even now you still don't ...... what's the point in trying
when will the hilarity stop

vvega wrote:again you cant read context understand simple paraphrases or even grasp what a quotation is.. i just quoted a post ... because it was so dam funny , its got nothing to do with my personal view on your sexuality or my feeling towards homosexuals
what it does show yet again is your ability to twist and contort facts until you think they mean what you want them too
its pretty evident throughout this entire thread and just about every their thread you've posted that this is the case
its not hard to see why you just dont get it

vvega wrote:at the end of the day you have entire weekends dedicated to what a fool you are and how you continually try to bullshit and belittle people
and yet you still dont realise

i can see why you dont get fuming .. or anything really
you cant get past your own ego to see what is actually real and not just what you believe

you simply are not going to convince 20 odd people that have seen fuming working with there own eyes ... that what you say has any validity or vindication

next you'll be trying to tell us the sky is red

give it up

mudzilla wrote:Your still not listening... How have YOU ever learned anything in you life without listening or were you born a fuckn genius...????

A COUPLE OF PERCENT OF THE FUEL VOLUME.. Did you hear me yet !!!

vvega wrote:perhaps if you go to the thread named fuming and read it you might get a idea on where you went wrong
its was a fairly fundamental mistake
http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... &start=315

her hear is alink .. do you think you can follow that or will you #### that up as well

KiwiBacon wrote:

mudzilla wrote:Your still not listening... How have YOU ever learned anything in you life without listening or were you born a fuckn genius...????

A COUPLE OF PERCENT OF THE FUEL VOLUME.. Did you hear me yet !!!

Wow, more abuse.

There is not a single fumigation system on this planet that adds lpg based on fuel volume. They all work on air volume.

vvega wrote:nope thats just you been a egg

vvega wrote:mudzilla's is based of fuel consumption .. in order for it to ba based on air consumption you woudl need a maf of some description .. yet his is hooked to his TPS ... so its load based so its supplyed at a % of the fuel rate
and that is what weve been saying for such a looong time now
and is exactly why you cant get fume to work and why this is so amusing

so fundimental
and such a massive fuckup on your part

High-pressure liquid petroleum gas (LPG) is converted to a low-pressure (just above atmospheric) useable gas. The gas passes through a solenoid valve (or stepper motor) which is controlled by outputs from the system’s computerised processor measuring precisely the quantity of gas required. This metered amount of vapour travels through a hose into the vehicle air intake system and subsequently into the inlet manifold as a mixture of air and gas.

The computer module (processor) controls the flow of gas optimising performance and ensuring safety. Manifold pressure (via a MAP sensor) or throttle position (via a throttle position sensor) and engine speed are monitored. The module then adjusts the gas flow depending on engine load and driver demand. The amount of gas injected (or the ‘gas map’) is completely (and only) programmable by a laptop computer. This allows a large degree of flexibility to adjust the system to suit your requirements.

The system shuts off gas flow when the brakes are applied or the driver’s foot comes off the accelerator.
The system can be switched on and off (if ever necessary) via a dash mounted switch. If gas is unavailable or you run out before a service station, it is not necessary to switch the system off. Instead you will notice a decrease in performance as the gas runs out. Since the diesel injection system is not modified, the vehicle will simply run on diesel as it did prior to the system being fitted

vvega wrote:do you not understand what a load based fuel system is ?
the tps tells you how far your foot is down .. so therefore how much load your engine is under
and based on this the fuel is delivered

you talk of compensator's governors etc but im trying to keep this simple for you
thats why the decent fume kits have ecu control ... to offset and control the finer points of delivery

this was all in that very first artical i linked in the fume thread ... again you didn't read it so you cont understand
its said in black and white that air volume has NOTHING to do with fumigation rates
again you dont understand what you are talking about so how can you expect to get it right
just like boiling points and flash points , you just dont understand and you are doing it wrong
is any of this sinking through ?

nivaman wrote:Sorry guys this is a hydrogen thread not LPG.

ike wrote:just to anyone who doesn't believe in this stuff... it works. Some mates and i set one up for a cortina spa pool about three years ago. Gutted a mk5, lined and glassed it, had the motor running from a hoffman voltameter (basically a reverse battery with salty water in it) and although we never really got much power out of it (it would drive, but say goodbye to hills) it would cruise along for an hour or two on 20-30litres of water before needing to recharge the battery (disconnected the alternator and put an aircon pump in it's place so we could run bubbles through the pool)

smurf182 wrote: much better off just putting in an electric motor and be done with it.