Offroad-Express

i gotta say, this is all just a bit of a shambles really.

my 2c is that a lot of people jump to conclusions, fly off the handle and run riot in these instances!
WHEW

thats too much exercise lol

it seems the guys that got stuck have been given a bum rush and that there is enuff bad publicity against 4x4 as it is without this blatent extortion and dodgy goings on!

is this thread been picked up on any other 4x4 forums????

badnuz wrote:...... is this thread been picked up on any other 4x4 forums????

NZ4wd forum has mentoned it and has made references to this site also

just curious? are the people in the photos they people who did recovery or the people who own the vehicle. p.s this thread has been one heck of a read!! and i cannot believe the prices that have been popping up 8k

Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.

From my understood if point 1 and 2 works,

Such a person is taken to have been convicted of the offence below:


Dishonestly using a document – section 228 of the Crimes Act 1961
It is an offence to dishonestly take a document or use a document with intent to obtain any property or pecuniary advantage.

Penalty:

There is a maximum penalty of 7 years imprisonment.

zero4 wrote:

Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.

From my understood if point 1 and 2 works,

Such a person is taken to have been convicted of the offence below:


Dishonestly using a document – section 228 of the Crimes Act 1961
It is an offence to dishonestly take a document or use a document with intent to obtain any property or pecuniary advantage.

Penalty:

There is a maximum penalty of 7 years imprisonment.

thats is the way it looks to me
go talk to the cops and they can go talk to him about possible charges

Yes that what it means exactly.
Since the club president has stated that in his response. He is most defiantly committed this crime for which he should be charged. But I'm not sure who would have to lay the complaint, the person whom he used the form on, or the club who he stole the form from. Best to talk to your lawyer and get this clarified. as I would think that if this charge was laid at his feet he would shit himself. and probably end this matter very quickly

mercutio wrote:

zero4 wrote:

Mudde1 wrote:This is a statement from Bay of Plenty Four Wheel Drive Club following a special executive meeting held yesterday.
1. BOP4WD Club was not involved in the recovery.
2. The use of the BOP4WD Club name was not authorized by the Club.

From my understood if point 1 and 2 works,

Such a person is taken to have been convicted of the offence below:


Dishonestly using a document – section 228 of the Crimes Act 1961
It is an offence to dishonestly take a document or use a document with intent to obtain any property or pecuniary advantage.

Penalty:

There is a maximum penalty of 7 years imprisonment.

thats is the way it looks to me
go talk to the cops and they can go talk to him about possible charges

how is that cruiser a unequipt truck?????

looks up to the challenge to me.

I wanna see what pulled it out if that ones "standard"..

hey zero4 just wondering where you guys are based did you travel far to thompsons or are you guys local

mercutio wrote:hey zero4 just wondering where you guys are based did you travel far to thompsons or are you guys local

Hi,mate

We are based in Auckland, 160k to Thompsons.

awesome i'm sure you will have a large group of new 4x4 buddies after this unfortunate episode

i'm in the waikato now heading down to wellington soon though so a bit hard to join up for a trip that and the fact my 4x4 is an ongoing project

zero4 wrote:

wopass wrote:yea sorry mostly from me checking to see if theres any cool photos yet...

Sorry,mate.

The photos come a bit late,

That's what we did on 6th Jan,

The guys who did recovery for us had walked up to there on 6th and give us help, I'm still appriate for that!

Looks like a pic from malaysian rainforest challenge.
Lots of sticky glue type mud
Hope you get it all sorted

Shane

We like pics on here, got any more? eg simpson desert trip etc. maybe start a new thread

Shane wrote:
Looks like a pic from malaysian rainforest challenge.
Lots of sticky glue type mud
Hope you get it all sorted

Shane

Ha it sure does look like rainforest challenge! hahaha, and the vehicle does look very set up for Thompsons, i was expecting it to be a road going prado on road tyres by the way Ross made it sound.

If you need a hand to fix anything more or need a place to store it you guys are welcome to store it at mine, I also work as a diesel mechanic so have access to a full workshop if needed.

Cheers, DAN

wow, just wow.

i guess you find out who your friends are eh.
keep in touch with ORE and you'll have no more Bull Sh1t like this.

great pics too and nice cruiser

hope you guys know not all kiwis are c*nts like these people, i hope these cowboys get whats comming to them

Do you guys know Matt??

Sorry neighbour, couldn't help myself

nah i dont know them, they look like mr spray and walk away

Bubba wrote:Do you guys know Matt??

Sorry neighbour, couldn't help myself

what ever the out come its one expensive lesson leant ,or is it just a case of more money than brains ,i see the other truck is a 120 series prado i bet that collected a few dents being dragged through there .

Jeez go away for a while and all hell breaks loose

I have read every post and there are some things that just do not gell from the club's end I'm afraid.

In any club there are officers who are given authority to act on behalf of the club for certain things, such as the treasurer can spend money and the secretary can author contracts. In this case the secretary has authored a contract that seems to have led to the extortion of money from a victim. Added to that it appears that the signing was under duress and the signor was under threat of harm if they did not pay within five days.

It is too late for the club to now say that these actions were not authorised because they were undertaken by a duly elected (assumption on my part) officer of the club was acting in accordance with their role as secretary. Additionally the secretary was acting as an agent for the club and the victims were not to know his actions were not sanctioned, therefore under the law any civil case is against the club for costs, but any charges of threats of potential violence will be against the individuals concerned.

The secretary has led the club into a situation where it is now alleged that the club sought to and succeeded in extorting money from its victim. It cannot back-track from that. Any other trustees/officers of the club may be equally liable.

Tony Burgess. As a member of the NZ4WD Association I do not believe that the association should be supporting this club in question given the seriousness of the allegations. The support given, from what I have read, gives tacit agreement to the club's presentation of facts, but (as others' have said) those facts are illogical and contradictory. The only cogent set of facts I have read so far have been from the young men who are the victims. They have been able to provide explanation, documentary evidence, and photographic support for their case. The club has not.

moonhopper wrote:Yes that what it means exactly.
Since the club president has stated that in his response. He is most defiantly committed this crime for which he should be charged. But I'm not sure who would have to lay the complaint, the person whom he used the form on, or the club who he stole the form from. Best to talk to your lawyer and get this clarified. as I would think that if this charge was laid at his feet he would shit himself. and probably end this matter very quickly

mercutio wrote:

zero4 wrote:
thats is the way it looks to me
go talk to the cops and they can go talk to him about possible charges

Stage1V8 wrote:Jeez go away for a while and all hell breaks loose

I have read every post and there are some things that just do not gell from the club's end I'm afraid.

In any club there are officers who are given authority to act on behalf of the club for certain things, such as the treasurer can spend money and the secretary can author contracts. In this case the secretary has authored a contract that seems to have led to the extortion of money from a victim. Added to that it appears that the signing was under duress and the signor was under threat of harm if they did not pay within five days.

It is too late for the club to now say that these actions were not authorised because they were undertaken by a duly elected (assumption on my part) officer of the club was acting in accordance with their role as secretary. Additionally the secretary was acting as an agent for the club and the victims were not to know his actions were not sanctioned, therefore under the law any civil case is against the club for costs, but any charges of threats of potential violence will be against the individuals concerned.

The secretary has led the club into a situation where it is now alleged that the club sought to and succeeded in extorting money from its victim. It cannot back-track from that. Any other trustees/officers of the club may be equally liable.

Tony Burgess. As a member of the NZ4WD Association I do not believe that the association should be supporting this club in question given the seriousness of the allegations. The support given, from what I have read, gives tacit agreement to the club's presentation of facts, but (as others' have said) those facts are illogical and contradictory. The only cogent set of facts I have read so far have been from the young men who are the victims. They have been able to provide explanation, documentary evidence, and photographic support for their case. The club has not.

In a nutshell. Cogent concise and to the point.

As a member of this organisation, (NZFWDA) I am appalled at the actions of a fellow member, and officer of an affiliated club. Especially since THAT officer has compounded his actions (Extortion with threats and menaces) on a club letterhead!!
How fkn DUMB is that?

Don't forget the worst f'up is the account number
One big fat paper trail.
Pleased to see you have opinion Bob as always

sibainmud wrote:Don't forget the worst crime is the account number
One big fat paper trail.
Pleased to see you have opinion Bob as always

Nope, that wasnt a crime, unless stupidity has been criminalised?

Im sorry but the people in the fore mentioned club at the start of this thread are just a bunch of tossers!!
Who the F#$k charges $8000 dollars to rescue 2 trucks, these guys need to have thier heads read,god help them if they need to be rescued one day!!!
What happend to helping fellow 4wd enthusiasts out? Im sure that many of the clubs in NZ and Aus would be discusted at thier actions!!

moonhopper wrote:Yes that what it means exactly.
Since the club president has stated that in his response. He is most defiantly committed this crime for which he should be charged. But I'm not sure who would have to lay the complaint, the person whom he used the form on, or the club who he stole the form from. Best to talk to your lawyer and get this clarified. as I would think that if this charge was laid at his feet he would shit himself. and probably end this matter very quickly

From my point of view:

If we sue the club as Defendant on the court,(yes,coz club name on the contract)

then the club will sue someone unless they don't care to be convicted.

zero4 wrote:From my point of view:
If we sue the club as Defendant on the court,(yes,coz club name on the contract)
then the club will sue someone unless they don't care to be convicted.

you dont "sue" the club, well not as such anyway.

you inform the police if you havent already and the police decide whether there is enough evidence to make a case that a crime[s] has been commited and go from there with pressing charges and they would go before a judge, police vs "BOP bandits". not you vs the bandits or you vs the bandits club.

the ird may investigate, as it being a very serious crime not paying taxes

there are a raft of issues the police could investigate many mentioned, have you informed the police?

the issues the club has to deal with moral and legal, of there members doing a bit a dirty are up to them what happens and i'd assume with the publicity gained and pressure from nzfwda that club members acting on behalf of the club will have a lashing to deal with if not expulsion for life.

lexulance wrote:Im sorry but the people in the fore mentioned club at the start of this thread are just a bunch of tossers!!
Who the F#$k charges $8000 dollars to rescue 2 trucks, these guys need to have thier heads read,god help them if they need to be rescued one day!!!
What happend to helping fellow 4wd enthusiasts out? Im sure that many of the clubs in NZ and Aus would be discusted at thier actions!!

X2

taitantoyota wrote:

zero4 wrote:From my point of view:
If we sue the club as Defendant on the court,(yes,coz club name on the contract)
then the club will sue someone unless they don't care to be convicted.

you dont "sue" the club, well not as such anyway.

you inform the police if you havent already and the police decide whether there is enough evidence to make a case that a crime[s] has been commited and go from there with pressing charges and they would go before a judge, police vs "BOP bandits". not you vs the bandits or you vs the bandits club.
.

Actually, the information presented to date suggests that there is also a strong prima facie case for Zero4 to pursue a private prosecution against the individuals involved and seek award of damages. Regrettably, the longer this plays out in public forum, the more this avenue of recourse is undermined.

Leithfield wrote:

taitantoyota wrote:

zero4 wrote:From my point of view:
If we sue the club as Defendant on the court,(yes,coz club name on the contract)
then the club will sue someone unless they don't care to be convicted.

you dont "sue" the club, well not as such anyway.

you inform the police if you havent already and the police decide whether there is enough evidence to make a case that a crime[s] has been commited and go from there with pressing charges and they would go before a judge, police vs "BOP bandits". not you vs the bandits or you vs the bandits club.
.

Actually, the information presented to date suggests that there is also a stong prima facie case for Zero4 to pursue a private prosecution against the individuals involved and seek award of damages. Regrettably, the longer this plays out in public forum, the more this avenue of recourse is undermined.

As always, Kev, a strong light shining through the darkness

Zero4, are the Police involved yet?

Don't muck around mate and go in and see them if you haven't already. While you are there, give them this link to read too. It shows a lot of public interest - all in your support.

They (Police) may not be 4WD'rs and this would also show them that that type of behaviour is not accepted in the 4WD community.

Anyway, let us know when or what you have done and then you may need to shy away as the coppers may not like you discussing it once they are investigating.

DaveM wrote:Hmmm, a racially motivated price hike?

Exactly what I thought those rednecks need to be kicked out of the club and brought up on charges for fraudulent use of the clubs letterhad for pecuniary gain. Tony needs to be kicked in the plums then kicked off the association for his part of the coverup attempt.

This kind of sh*T really annoys me, being asian people takes one look at you and assumes they can charge what they like and you'd pay up with out question.

drtylilman wrote:

DaveM wrote:Hmmm, a racially motivated price hike?

Exactly what I thought those rednecks need to be kicked out of the club and brought up on charges for fraudulent use of the clubs letterhad for pecuniary gain. Tony needs to be kicked in the plums then kicked off the association for his part of the coverup attempt.

This kind of sh*T really annoys me, being asian people takes one look at you and assumes they can charge what they like and you'd pay up with out question.

Tony needs not to be affected at all, hes a good bugger and if he was doing anything, it was simply to try and keep things from getting outa control, if he knew something before the rest of us, it wasnt his place to spill the beans pre-maturely, considereing his position..
theres plenty of others that deserve broken teeth without dragging outsiders into it