lifts laws to be inforced

[Suza]

I am watching this with interest as I lifted my truck manly for work

[crazyclark31]

So from I have read, most people want a rolling cert? and I believe this will go a long way to helping with unsafe un-certed trucks etc.

The Authority card is only there to prove you have the need for the lift, I do not agree with the member for one year as new members are punished especially if they have already had a modified truck that will be above the new threshold. Also it should not be retrospective as it is going to piss more people off and is a pain for people such as the example I made above. and has been said before. If your 50, been wheeling since your 15 and are not in a club but have a 150mm lifted truck you know have to park up your truck and wait a year, but to prove you need it you must then buy a second 4wd to use on club trips in the interim to prove you drive off road. NOT FAIR.

Yes Tony you and the NZFWDA are doing a great job and should be commended and yes the consequences of not participating the the rule changes would be catostrophic to our hobby, but there must be a better way to do something? I think maybe a public submission process would have been good to get thoughts on what people would like to see, what they would think would work and wouldn't work. From what I can tell these new rules have been drafted up with no public input what so ever. How can you get a fair idea of what your members position on this is without actually asking them? You seem to be guessing this is what people want.

The logistics of the authority card is going to be hard, and what is stopping the club captains from issuing cards to all members who have applied to get one? Do people who hold the card have to prove club membership of a year or more when presenting the card to WoF or police? Also what happens to club captains if they do give out cards willy nilly? are they going to get fined? the club? assn? Who gets the blame?

Finally there needs to be provision for people who have been wheeling for ages or farmers etc to get an authority card straight away. Maybe don'y have it linked to the club but to the assn only? All that's going to happen with these rules if they come into effect the way they are now, is going to make a lot more illegal vehicles on the road. Short - midterm term maybe but it will happen.

VERY WELL PUT. MY THOURGHTS EXACTLY.
just can't seem to write it like that.

[SP450andLE]

Muddey1 you have not come on here to ask our opinion, you have decided what is going to happen/control us and decided to defend it. Doesn't matter what anyone says you will not change your mind as to what you put forward.

You wonder why everyone doesnt want to become a member of your assn.
I would rather get a fine a day than have a man like you represent me (rule me) and tell me what i can and can't do. I have done before but I will never again pay any money to your assn.

Enjoy life attempting to rule the roost..

^^^^^^ Like ^^^^^^^^

Yeah, NAH.

Although he is the president, I'm fairly sure he does not have total say over all matters, and most of this is driven by the govt anyway...

[coxsy]

not much point in reposting rangimotors stuff he's doesn't want to be part of the solution, so leave it be

[rangimotors]

Thats where you are wrong cock sy, i'd love to be part of the solution however at no point has the public been asked. The decision has been made by them and they have no interest in changing it, only defending it. A bunch of one eyed jaffas who seem. To think the only people who matter are people that want to sign up with them. People have been lifting trucks in this country long before them and will be lifting them long after them

[coxsy]

watch how you spell my user name got yours right

[rangimotors]

Open both your eyes and ears before spouting shit on the internet and deciding that your hobbie is more important than other peoples jobs and lives

[xj]

not much point in reposting rangimotors stuff he's doesn't want to be part of the solution, so leave it be

So being part of the solution = not having an opinion, not having a voice and not asking questions. ie if you want to be part of the solution sit there, shut up and do what you're told.

Another awesome post Coxy. Well done.

This whole thing is up there with the anti smacking legislation, just as the anti smacking hasnt stopped kids getting the crud kicked out of them, this "rule" (from what Ive read, it isnt a legilslated "law") it isnt going to stop wankers in modded vehicles doing wanky shit.

Perhaps if the fact had have been laid out from those involved in the process/debate/discussion/railroading (take your pick) instead of being half arsedly babbled about in the first instance everyone would have a clearer understanding of what is being mooted.

Personally Im with the "its a B/S needless money grab" crew, based on what Ive seen to date. But then what Ive seen is lots of if's and maybes's and other questions being tossed about that im sure are in the process of being discussed, and can well be answered at a later date.

A question for Tony though, you posted the following:

"NZFWDA have for some years been part of LVVTA and put the effort (and finance) into setting LVVTA up. Combined clubs are not part of LVVTA so will not be able to reap the benefits that come from being members. The same applies to ORNZ."

Therfore by default, members of combined clubs are not part of the LVVTA, and LVVTA are the ones that issue certs. Therefore no-one in Combined has a LVVTA cert?
If the above is not correct and they (members of combined clubs) do have certs issued by the LVVTA the logic of your statement fails.
If the above is correct, and if a Cert is a legal requirement, then every lifted vehicle that belongs to Combined members that holds a current WOF has been issued illegally, as they are not eligable for a LVVTA cert as they are not able to "reap the benefits".

Which brings me to the next question... as the LVVTA is a private organisation, borne from Hot Rod assn et al over the years, and as there seems to be various WOF issuers who dont care a jot what the Cert plate says, or if you even have a cert plate, what is the actual legal standing that the LVVTA has? All a cert says is what has been modified, not what is legally safe on the vehicle, thats the WOF issuers job.

EDIT: (in fact reading LVVTA speil they state "These ‘alternative standards’ would become recognised as ‘low volume vehicle standards’, and would provide the technical requirements for modified and scratch-built vehicles, based not on physical testing and expensive calculation work, but on ‘historical best-practice knowledge" note the words TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT, nothing to do with safety or the issuing of WOFs

Can you please refer to a legislative document, seperate form any LVVTA documentation, that says a person MUST LEGALLY have an LVVTA cert for a modified vehicle. Im not saying there isnt one, I, and others, would like to see it.

Where am I going with this? In a nutshell, and very simply, it appears that in the early 90s, MOT (or their equivalent) were looking at setting legilslation for modded vehicles. Hot Rod assn said "hey ho.. how about we set up some guidelines that we get out members to run with and let us self legislate"... and so it came to pass, and over time other organisations signed up. Point is.... if im not in the NZFWDA (for the record I am) as those in the Combined clubs are not, and they have, by the reading of the above quote, no avenue to be aligned with the LVVTA, then they are not bound to get a cert.

Again, lots of reading between lines, but this whole thing is very murky (again, IMO in more ways than just some wordsmithing) and there seem to be glaring holes.

Holes that hopefully will be explained in the fullness of time.

Mark Craig

[tallsam66]

Thats where you are wrong cock sy, i'd love to be part of the solution however at no point has the public been asked. The decision has been made by them and they have no interest in changing it, only defending it. A bunch of one eyed jaffas who seem. To think the only people who matter are people that want to sign up with them. People have been lifting trucks in this country long before them and will be lifting them long after them

Yeah the North Island 4 Wheel Drive Assn is only interested in looking after the north island & ensuring they still get there dividend from the LVVTA..hench why its a bit of a dead duck down her in the mainland.

[DieselBoy]

Check this out, its the History of the LVVTA, and its "mission statement".

http://lvvta.org.nz/about.html#history

Its not at all clear how the proposed changes align with the LVVTA.

The LVVTA is just a Technical Association that started out as a bunch of car enthusiast clubs joining together to self regulate.

They then developed a set of "rules for all" in order to regulate more fairly and accurately among the clubs.

Establishment of the Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association

Also during 1992, the six organisations then involved in some way with the new-born LVV certification system (not all of them were actually operating LVV certification systems), formed the Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association Incorporated (LVVTA), as a parent body to represent the interests of those six groups, and to produce the LVV certification plates for the groups carrying out LVV certification operations.
By the mid-1990s, then with eight member associations (and effectively representing all of the other non-member enthusiasts in New Zealand), LVVTA had taken on the role of dealing with the Government directly on behalf of all of their member groups - rather than each group individually knocking on the Ministry’s door as had initially been happening - and was having a positive effect on the overall LVV certification system. The individual certifying member associations like NZHRA could then worry less about the politics, and get on with looking after
their certification operations.

The single-certification system merger

After a couple of years of operation, it had become apparent that the quality of inspections varied between the groups, and that the inspection quality wasn’t ever going to become uniform while individual groups operated their own systems, and developed their own individual interpretations of the Government’s vehicle standards. To resolve this, the development and implementation of a unified single-certification system, and commonised
‘alternative standards’, was agreed upon by the member associations of LVVTA.
In 1995 LVVTA took on the role of merging the systems into one, under LVVTA’s administrative control. NZHRA had been doing around 70% of all of the LVV certification work since 1992, and their system was by far the most advanced and comprehensive, particularly from an inspection quality point of view. The single-certification system therefore became based primarily around NZHRA’s systems and documentation, and was up and running in 1996.
At the same time, the Ministry of Transport’s by then new arm, the Land Transport Safety Authority (now known as the New Zealand Transport Agency) took over the responsibility for appointing and revoking the individual LVV certifiers (until then the responsibility of the LVVTA member associations), along with the independent auditing of the quality of the LVV Certifiers’ work.

The low volume vehicle system today

Since the merging of the systems in 1996, the LVV certification system has, amidst a few ups and downs, been improved and refined enormously, with the development of a selection of low volume vehicle standards which set technical requirements to cover a wide range of safety-related systems and modifications.
These range from all of the typical performance enhancement type of modifications (engine conversions, brakes, suspension, wheels, etc) to seat installations, seatbelt anchorage retro- fitting, right-hand drive steering conversions, removal and disabling of supplementary restraint system air-bags, security modifications for security vans, through to adaptive control systems for people with disabilities, and designing modifications to remedy factory faults in production vehicles.
The LVVTA system, now with ten LVVTA member associations supporting it, has over the past decade expanded beyond just low volume vehicle standards, and now encompasses form-sets, information sheets, and other supporting documentation. The LVVTA documentation system is now so extensive that it fills a 7-volume set of manuals. A substantial chunk of the technical expertise and input behind all of this has in fact come from hot rodders – mostly NZHRA members - who still today continue to contribute a massive wealth of technical input into the LVVTA knowledge pool.
The vast majority of the almost 60 LVV Certifiers around the country are the practical hands-on hobbyists who have spent their lives building and modifying cars, making mistakes and learning from them, amassing knowledge from the car club scene, and furthering their knowledge even beyond that through the engineering side of the motor racing environment.
Amongst these LVV Certifiers, who largely come from a hot rodding background, are national championship winners from the Dunlop Targa, the Muscle Car series, the Pre-’65 Saloon Car series, Clubmans racing, Off-road racing series, and there are national record-holders and championship winners in the national drag racing series. Also within the LVV certifier network is a world land speed record holder, a sports car manufacturer, a kit car designer and builder, a 6-second 200 mph dragster driver and tuner, along with numerous award-winning hot rod
fabricators, and people that build, engineer, and wrench on everything from dragsters to circuit cars, to tarmac rally cars.
Most of these guys started their LVV certification involvement right at the inception of the LVV system in 1992, and are utterly irreplaceable; - there is no degree, trade, profession, poly-tech, night-school, or text-books that can equip someone without the life-time of first- hand knowledge and experience that these people have – these practical hobbyist-based LVV Certifiers are graduates, with honours, from the real-world university of a car-building life, and from a decade or more of assessing, and learning from, the many and varied vehicles they inspect in their LVV certification role. Without them, the system would collapse. We must all – hobbyists and Government officials alike - respect them and value them enormously, and at the same time keep an eye toward the next generation of LVV certifiers, who are now quietly doing their hobby car building ‘time’, in their home-garages in every corner of the country.

The future of the low volume vehicle system

The job however, is far from over. There is still a mountain of work to do, because time, trends, and technology never stand still, especially in the world of modified and scratch-built vehicles – where everyone is trying to do something that is just that little bit different to everyone else. There are still many technical standards needed and yet to be completed, and there are a host of other components and systems that all need safety-related technical requirements put in place to ensure that whilst we are able to maintain our traditional freedoms to modify and build hobby cars, we do so whilst incorporating the highest levels of safety that can be practically achieved.
Our challenge, however, is to achieve this within a general legislative environment that is increasingly safety-conscious, heavily regulated, environmentally paranoid, and politically correct - no, - make that politically over-the-top. No matter how diligent we are, how seriously we take our responsibilities, and how well we do our job, managing our situation within this ‘Nana-state’ will always be our biggest challenge

[Mudde1]

^[/quote]

Yeah, NAH.

Although he is the president, I'm fairly sure he does not have total say over all matters, and most of this is driven by the govt anyway...[/quote]

Correct

[Twodiffs]

I saw it ccoming and went just plain whole hog and thumb my nose at all rules and regulations ......No reg, no wof, do what you want to it.
Trailer your weapon to where ya wanna go, and have a shite load of fun without the F'n plague of rule freaks
That to me is the only future here for a decent capable "4X4"

Yeah, same.

I tried to tell the Winch Challenge freaks up here the same thing last year but they just didn't get it.

They couldn't see how they were throwing money away to comply with rules that were totally irrelevant when your in the tough stuff off road in your truck.

Why pay for a WOF, REG, Cert, Insurance, when a trailer costs $35 a year all up.

I do see another catch in the mix though.........

DOC have discovered some rules that are new to them, but have been in place sinxce 2008.

You need a WOF and REG to be on public land.

To get a WOF and REG on your truck you need to be 4x4 club member, a NZ4WDA member, have a Low Volume Certificate, NZ4WDA Authority Weetbix card licence and thrid party insurance.

Again, a membership drive for NZ4WDA??

They know full well what DOC is up to.......

Taking advantage of the situation maybe???

I really dunno about that, can't speak for buggies or 4wd's but I can testify to dirt bikes. A workmate got confronted in the Selwyn last year near Coes Ford riding his bike...copped a $400 fine for no wof or reg, basically unroadworthy.

His father being a retired cop verified it and said it's a legit infringement so he had to pay it.

[Ralfie]

Thats where you are wrong cock sy, i'd love to be part of the solution however at no point has the public been asked. The decision has been made by them and they have no interest in changing it, only defending it. A bunch of one eyed jaffas who seem. To think the only people who matter are people that want to sign up with them. People have been lifting trucks in this country long before them and will be lifting them long after them

Yeah the North Island 4 Wheel Drive Assn is only interested in looking after the north island & ensuring they still get there dividend from the LVVTA..hench why its a bit of a dead duck down her in the mainland.

That's where you are totally wrong.

More like the south are one eyed negative hypocrites who for their own glorification and justification don’t see that it’s the NZTA making changes, but instead blame everything on the shoulders of those who have come together as one group to try and do something for the good of 4WD owners throughout NZ.
If you look at the size of the NZFWDA compared with your own little bunch of mismatched mates you will realise that they have actually gone out and tried to do something positive and therefore are respected for it by the powers that be.
Infighting like this separates and destroys the good work done by so few.
Instead of bleating on here with the rest of the muppets go and do something rather than blaming others for your misery.

[rangimotors]

Thats where you are wrong cock sy, i'd love to be part of the solution however at no point has the public been asked. The decision has been made by them and they have no interest in changing it, only defending it. A bunch of one eyed jaffas who seem. To think the only people who matter are people that want to sign up with them. People have been lifting trucks in this country long before them and will be lifting them long after them

Yeah the North Island 4 Wheel Drive Assn is only interested in looking after the north island & ensuring they still get there dividend from the LVVTA..hench why its a bit of a dead duck down her in the mainland.

That's where you are totally wrong.

More like the south are one eyed negative hypocrites who for their own glorification and justification don’t see that it’s the NZTA making changes, but instead blame everything on the shoulders of those who have come together as one group to try and do something for the good of 4WD owners throughout NZ.
If you look at the size of the NZFWDA compared with your own little bunch of mismatched mates you will realise that they have actually gone out and tried to do something positive and therefore are respected for it by the powers that be.
Infighting like this separates and destroys the good work done by so few.
Instead of bleating on here with the rest of the muppets go and do something rather than blaming others for your misery.

come on mate your in a world of your own if you think the NZFWDA has more members than there are people who like to modify 4wds in NZ but don't want to be part of a club. The kicker is you havent even asked all your members. So your small "group" want to decide our futures but you don't want us to comment/vote or have any input. I think they have a name for that....

[Ralfie]

come on mate your in a world of your own if you think the NZFWDA has more members than there are people who like to modify 4wds in NZ but don't want to be part of a club. The kicker is you havent even asked all your members. So your small "group" want to decide our futures but you don't want us to comment/vote or have any input. I think they have a name for that....

No good spouting on at me, or even on here.
If you want input go direct to NZTA, nothing will ever come of your pathetic grizzling and words on this Forum.

The only way you can influence NZFWDA is by being a member.
And the way you and many others are behaving I am sure that they will have turned off by now as they they don't have to listen (read) your insults.

As a non member you are on your own and left to deal with the NZTA directly.

[rangimotors]

come on mate your in a world of your own if you think the NZFWDA has more members than there are people who like to modify 4wds in NZ but don't want to be part of a club. The kicker is you havent even asked all your members. So your small "group" want to decide our futures but you don't want us to comment/vote or have any input. I think they have a name for that....

No good spouting on at me, or even on here.
If you want input go direct to NZTA, nothing will ever come of your pathetic grizzling and words on this Forum.

The only way you can influence NZFWDA is by being a member.
And the way you and many others are behaving I am sure that they will have turned off by now as they they don't have to listen (read) your insults.

As a non member you are on your own and left to deal with the NZTA directly.

my point is being a NZFWDA member sure hasnt done me any good i feel like those who are meant to be representing us have dropped the ball. I don't want to turn this into a mud slinging contest and my appoligies if it has come across that way but please understand what those of us against this are saying and why. As you have suggested I will follow it up via other means and leave it at that.

Cheers.

[hosehustler]

I saw it ccoming and went just plain whole hog and thumb my nose at all rules and regulations ......No reg, no wof, do what you want to it.
Trailer your weapon to where ya wanna go, and have a shite load of fun without the F'n plague of rule freaks
That to me is the only future here for a decent capable "4X4"

Yeah, same.

I tried to tell the Winch Challenge freaks up here the same thing last year but they just didn't get it.

They couldn't see how they were throwing money away to comply with rules that were totally irrelevant when your in the tough stuff off road in your truck.

Why pay for a WOF, REG, Cert, Insurance, when a trailer costs $35 a year all up.

I do see another catch in the mix though.........

DOC have discovered some rules that are new to them, but have been in place sinxce 2008.

You need a WOF and REG to be on public land.

To get a WOF and REG on your truck you need to be 4x4 club member, a NZ4WDA member, have a Low Volume Certificate, NZ4WDA Authority Weetbix card licence and thrid party insurance.

Again, a membership drive for NZ4WDA??

They know full well what DOC is up to.......

Taking advantage of the situation maybe???

I really dunno about that, can't speak for buggies or 4wd's but I can testify to dirt bikes. A workmate got confronted in the Selwyn last year near Coes Ford riding his bike...copped a $400 fine for no wof or reg, basically unroadworthy.

His father being a retired cop verified it and said it's a legit infringement so he had to pay it.

Exactly $400 for being caught in a dumbass place like Coes ford
A cert will set you back that much alone, then there is Reg, WOF, Ins, Mileage, and the constant repairs to keep it in road worthy condition
No need to be concerned unless you enjoy your wheelin' in dumbass places, may as well hoon around in a gravel carpark .......and even then $400 is a deal

[hosehustler]

oops I forgot to to mention there's also to be the mandatory membership (annual) fee of a local club that has to be affiliated to NZFWDA , and of course the NZFWDA (annual) fee as well on top of that fee

[DieselBoy]

Cuts guards and two sets of springs for the teh win

[Mudde1]

.[/quote]
my point is being a NZFWDA member sure hasnt done me any good i feel like those who are meant to be representing us have dropped the ball. I don't want to turn this into a mud slinging contest and my appoligies if it has come across that way but please understand what those of us against this are saying and why. As you have suggested I will follow it up via other means and leave it at that.

Cheers.[/quote]
perhaps you should be standing for the exec.

[lincooln]

Hey Tony, are you any further to answering the questions I have? Just wondering

Cheers

[Moriarty]

.

my point is being a NZFWDA member sure hasnt done me any good i feel like those who are meant to be representing us have dropped the ball. I don't want to turn this into a mud slinging contest and my appoligies if it has come across that way but please understand what those of us against this are saying and why. As you have suggested I will follow it up via other means and leave it at that.

Cheers.[/quote]
perhaps you should be standing for the exec.[/quote]

Now THERE'S an idea..... take a thick skin with you, you will need it.

[Mudde1]

So from I have read, most people want a rolling cert? and I believe this will go a long way to helping with unsafe un-certed trucks etc.
This has been considered, but is in the way too hard basket at present.. You can of course negotate fees with the certerfer.[[/]/i]
The Authority card is only there to prove you have the need for the lift, I do not agree with the member for one year as new members are punished especially if they have already had a modified truck that will be above the new threshold. [i] The one year requirement is standard for all authority cards, and was non negotiable. If the modified truck already meets the threshold and has a cert, that will still be the case, no change . [b][b][/b]Also it should not be retrospective it isent retrospective. as it is going to piss more people off and is a pain for people such as the example I made above. and has been said before. If your 50, been wheeling since your 15 and are not in a club but have a 150mm lifted truck you know have to park up your truck and wait a year, but to prove you need it you must then buy a second 4wd to use on club trips in the interim to prove you drive off road. NOT FAIR.if your truck has a 150 mm lift, it is most likley that it should already have a cert. so wont require an authority card,

Yes Tony you and the NZFWDA are doing a great job and should be commended and yes the consequences of not participating the the rule changes would be catostrophic to our hobby, but there must be a better way to do something? I think maybe a public submission process would have been good to get thoughts on what people would like to see, what they would think would work and wouldn't work. From what I can tell these new rules have been drafted up with no public input what so ever. How can you get a fair idea of what your members position on this is without actually asking them? You seem to be guessing this is what people want.it was discussed at length at the recent conference to which every member was invited and every club should have sent a rep.That is the correct forum for it to be discussed. you can also have it discussed it at zone meetings

The logistics of the authority card is going to be hard, and what is stopping the club captains from issuing cards to all members who have applied to get one? Do people who hold the card have to prove club membership of a year or more when presenting the card to WoF or police? NO. Just show a current authority card. Also what happens to club captains if they do give out cards willy nilly? are they going to get fined? the club? assn? Who gets the blame? club captions wont give out the cards, they only sign the application. No problem with them signing as many applications as they wish, the vehicle still needs to have a cert issued before the card is issued.
Finally there needs to be provision for people who have been wheeling for ages or farmers etc to get an authority card straight away. Not if they don't belong to a club. We are elected and funded to provide services to our members. Non members have for years been benefiting from the work of NZFWDA but No one has ever complained about that. Maybe don'y have it linked to the club but to the assn only? All that's going to happen with these rules if they come into effect the way they are now, is going to make a lot more illegal vehicles on the road. Short - midterm term maybe but it will happen.

[muddyhilux]

ok above answers make things a bit clearer,thank you for that,do you have any idea on when this will come into effect though?so as the people who have had certified vehicles (100mm+) and are now further modifying them can the work towards a date to have them recertified by and not have to get authority card etc,cheers

[Mudde1]

ok above answers make things a bit clearer,thank you for that,do you have any idea on when this will come into effect though?so as the people who have had certified vehicles (100mm+) and are now further modifying them can the work towards a date to have them recertified by and not have to get authority card etc,cheers

unfortunately i don't have a time line. the max 50mm susp on a WoF lift is already in force, we weren't consulted about that. it will be a few months before authority cards become available, and i don't think the max lift on a cert will come in before that, so for club members, there shouldn't be a problem.

[muddyhilux]

thank you for the quick reply,i'm still working on joining a club so will will now be moving a bit faster to make sure build is complete,again thanks

[lincooln]

cool thanks for the reply Tony, and I was at the conference. It just seemed more like a 'this is what is happening' than a discussion. But anyway. I hadn't been to a zone meeting for a while so my bad.

Cheers
Lincoln.

[tallsam66]

max 50mm susp on a WoF lift

Ive been trying to find where in either the LVVT manual or the VIRM manuals where this is stated ...can you tell me which manual & what clause etc .

[jonossiksilvia]

hi all

i maybe new to this forum but have been out 4wdriving for years and have plenty of experience.

yes i agree and disagree to a lot of points in this topic - some for the better some not.

one thing that really concerns me and I'm sure will concern a lot of others is having to be a member for at least 1 year before being able to apply for the "card". Especially seen I'm into a 5 month and $8500 and counting ground up, buildup of a new truck.

What I'm asking and i know others want this answered too is the date this comes into effect? even a month would be nice to know!!!

I'm sure I'm not the only person worrying about this wondering if their countless $ and months of building is all going to be let down by waiting 12 months with a finished truck ready for cert on waiting to apply for the card? and further more i suspect they want the newbies to go on club days to prove they need the card before signing off for it. - HOW WOULD THIS BE POSSIBLE IF
THERE TRUCK IS AT HOME IN THE SHED READY TO GO BUT YET AGAIN NO CARD, NO CERT, NO WOF, NO REGO, NO INSURANCE????

looking forward to reply

RANT OVER

[Lynx]

ok above answers make things a bit clearer,thank you for that,do you have any idea on when this will come into effect though?so as the people who have had certified vehicles (100mm+) and are now further modifying them can the work towards a date to have them recertified by and not have to get authority card etc,cheers

unfortunately i don't have a time line. the max 50mm susp on a WoF lift is already in force, we weren't consulted about that. it will be a few months before authority cards become available, and i don't think the max lift on a cert will come in before that, so for club members, there shouldn't be a problem.