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tallsam66 wrote:

Mudde1 wrote: max 50mm susp on a WoF lift

Ive been trying to find where in either the LVVT manual or the VIRM manuals where this is stated ...can you tell me which manual & what clause etc .

I've never seen this either. In the 2010 december NZTA newsletter they re-emphasised the bodylift needing a cert but suspension lift had no value. It was a case by case thing and it basically said if you feel unsure, refer it to a certifier. Has there been a change since then??

This to me is a crock off S**t i am a member of a reconized 4wdc in the south island that has been going over 25 years but is not a member of NZ4WDA

My truck is certed for body lift and suspension lift ect and was certed by a qualified engineer and passes wofs no problem

Why should i join one organization just to use my truck what makes NZ4WDA have the right to decide which club i belong to just to go out 4x4ing are they better than combined club which alot of the south island clubs are in i dont think so
This is just going to give NZ4WDA the monoply

thats my 2c anyway some will agree some will not

worzel wrote:This to me is a crock off S**t i am a member of a reconized 4wdc in the south island that has been going over 25 years but is not a member of NZ4WDA

My truck is certed for body lift and suspension lift ect and was certed by a qualified engineer and passes wofs no problem

Why should i join one organization just to use my truck what makes NZ4WDA have the right to decide which club i belong to just to go out 4x4ing are they better than combined club which alot of the south island clubs are in i dont think so
This is just going to give NZ4WDA the monoply

thats my 2c anyway some will agree some will not

The people who really have the monopoly is the LVVTA & its not a govt organisation..just a bunch of people who have gained the faith of Land Transport & are now making a fortune out of it.
Who are the share holders & what dividends do the receive?

I to have a problem with this having to join nzfwda just so i can drive my truck around. There are plenty of farmers around that will think the same.All of those that i've shown this thread have laughed at the card system. Yes the nzfwda has done alot for the 4wding community but why should those that never have and never will ask for their help have to get one of these cards just so they can do their job?have some fun?

why can't the ilft laws be goverend by the cert system? The boy racers of this world don't have to be part of a club to have a rediculously fast car. Whats the diff?

If this was a safety issue why wern't their any public forums/meeting for those people that are not part of or aware of local clubs therefore not having acsess to the information(or lack of) about these new changes. Again if this was in the interests of safety then it wouldn't it make sense to make more people than just those affiliated to nzfwda aware of these changes??????? and be able to have a legal therefore safe 4wd that they can use to explore this great country!!!!!!~!!!

Seeing as none of this is or seems to be happening it is becoming more clear that IMO it is a membership drive!!!!
I have also sent letters to the nzta voicing my disgust at these STUPID laws

Mike

tallsam66 wrote:

Mudde1 wrote: max 50mm susp on a WoF lift

Ive been trying to find where in either the LVVT manual or the VIRM manuals where this is stated ...can you tell me which manual & what clause etc .

Its in the latest VIRM, sorry not sure of the cluase no

Well, 17 pages of s##t. Yes, there is a 50mm susp lift or lower clause in the VIRM, it refers to leaf springs and its referring to the use of a block to raise or lower. You guys need to read it carefully again and again and then look between the lines. Heres an example...A modification that directly or indirectly affects a steering or suspension component or system, requires a cert. So then, if your 50 mm body lift doesnt effect the previous and apon inspection the vehicle complies for condition and performance, incl a road test (and it is that that will mostly determine whether it passes or fails) then it passes and doesnt require a cert. Obviously the higher the lift, the more unstable the vehicle will become and even if it got a cert it can still fail a wof for that reason
The virm is there on the LTNZ site for all to read and you will need to spend hours studying it.
Unfortunately it is a hard document to interprate and inspectors like myself spend countless hours getting a handle on it, and worse still, every inspector may have differing interpretations and be right or wrong. I have spent alot of time discussing this issue with my reviewer and he has agreed with this interpretation.
My 2 cents worth

Landy Rover wrote:Well, 17 pages of s##t. Yes, there is a 50mm susp lift or lower clause in the VIRM, it refers to leaf springs and its referring to the use of a block to raise or lower. You guys need to read it carefully again and again and then look between the lines. Heres an example...A modification that directly or indirectly affects a steering or suspension component or system, requires a cert. So then, if your 50 mm body lift doesnt effect the previous and apon inspection the vehicle complies for condition and performance, incl a road test (and it is that that will mostly determine whether it passes or fails) then it passes and doesnt require a cert. Obviously the higher the lift, the more unstable the vehicle will become and even if it got a cert it can still fail a wof for that reason
The virm is there on the LTNZ site for all to read and you will need to spend hours studying it.
Unfortunately it is a hard document to interprate and inspectors like myself spend countless hours getting a handle on it, and worse still, every inspector may have differing interpretations and be right or wrong. I have spent alot of time discussing this issue with my reviewer and he has agreed with this interpretation.
My 2 cents worth

Thats the same way I and others interpret it, and obviously the way it gets interpreted by the place we always go to for our WOF.

But again, here is the sticky cross over part:

The NZ4WDA is saying there will be new clauses in the VIRM specific to the height a truck can be lifted, and that certification will be required if over a certain height. (No one yet has provided proof this is the truth yet)

Sooooooo, as we all know, the organisation that issues certs is the LVVTA.

Therefore the LTSA will now require the LVVTA to inspect and certify lifts in accordance with the "new" (if its true) VIRM clause.

As we know, Mudde1 stated that the NZ4WDA has had significant financial and technical input in the setting up running of the LVVTA.

What does that mean??

Well, now we have the LTSA requiring the LVVTA to issue certs, in which the NZ4WDA is a significant stake holder.

NZ4WDA see it as an opportunity for financial gain by requireing member ship before a LVVTA cert will be given.

How can they do that??

Easy, if the LVVTA is comprised of NZ4WDA members and also funded in part, its not hard to see how certain members can "nudge" discussions in a certain direction. This is especially so if the other members of the LVVTA look to the NZ4WDA representatives with in the LVVTA for advice on the issue, as they are seen to be the technical experts in this area.

So there you have it.

Under the guise of the LVVTA cert requirements, the NZ4WDA can now DEMAND member ship from any member of the entire population of NZ that wish's to fit bigger tyres to his or her 4x4.

Where that leaves combined clubs, is well, shafted???

You gotta pay money to the NZ4WDA every year of your life that you own your lifted 4x4.

DieselBoy wrote:...........
You gotta pay money to the NZ4WDA every year of your life that you own your lifted 4x4.

Like #### I am. I'm with you on your two sets of springs and tyres.

Way to go and ruin the advancement of the sport/hobby in NZ all for financial gain.

Boooo

DieselBoy wrote:

Landy Rover wrote:Well, 17 pages of s##t. Yes, there is a 50mm susp lift or lower clause in the VIRM, it refers to leaf springs and its referring to the use of a block to raise or lower. You guys need to read it carefully again and again and then look between the lines. Heres an example...A modification that directly or indirectly affects a steering or suspension component or system, requires a cert. So then, if your 50 mm body lift doesnt effect the previous and apon inspection the vehicle complies for condition and performance, incl a road test (and it is that that will mostly determine whether it passes or fails) then it passes and doesnt require a cert. Obviously the higher the lift, the more unstable the vehicle will become and even if it got a cert it can still fail a wof for that reason
The virm is there on the LTNZ site for all to read and you will need to spend hours studying it.
Unfortunately it is a hard document to interprate and inspectors like myself spend countless hours getting a handle on it, and worse still, every inspector may have differing interpretations and be right or wrong. I have spent alot of time discussing this issue with my reviewer and he has agreed with this interpretation.
My 2 cents worth

Thats the same way I and others interpret it, and obviously the way it gets interpreted by the place we always go to for our WOF.

But again, here is the sticky cross over part:

The NZ4WDA is saying there will be new clauses in the VIRM specific to the height a truck can be lifted, and that certification will be required if over a certain height. (No one yet has provided proof this is the truth yet)

Sooooooo, as we all know, the organisation that issues certs is the LVVTA.

Therefore the LTSA will now require the LVVTA to inspect and certify lifts in accordance with the "new" (if its true) VIRM clause.

As we know, Mudde1 stated that the NZ4WDA has had significant financial and technical input in the setting up running of the LVVTA.

What does that mean??

Well, now we have the LTSA requiring the LVVTA to issue certs, in which the NZ4WDA is a significant stake holder.

NZ4WDA see it as an opportunity for financial gain by requireing member ship before a LVVTA cert will be given.

How can they do that??

Easy, if the LVVTA is comprised of NZ4WDA members and also funded in part, its not hard to see how certain members can "nudge" discussions in a certain direction. This is especially so if the other members of the LVVTA look to the NZ4WDA representatives with in the LVVTA for advice on the issue, as they are seen to be the technical experts in this area.

So there you have it.

Under the guise of the LVVTA cert requirements, the NZ4WDA can now DEMAND member ship from any member of the entire population of NZ that wish's to fit bigger tyres to his or her 4x4.

Where that leaves combined clubs, is well, shafted???

You gotta pay money to the NZ4WDA every year of your life that you own your lifted 4x4.

Thank God someone on here has some sense! thankyou Dieselboy.
Thing to remenber is, the virm hasnt changed yet and probably wont for some time yet-if at all..

DieselBoy wrote:

Landy Rover wrote:Well, 17 pages of s##t. Yes, there is a 50mm susp lift or lower clause in the VIRM, it refers to leaf springs and its referring to the use of a block to raise or lower. You guys need to read it carefully again and again and then look between the lines. Heres an example...A modification that directly or indirectly affects a steering or suspension component or system, requires a cert. So then, if your 50 mm body lift doesnt effect the previous and apon inspection the vehicle complies for condition and performance, incl a road test (and it is that that will mostly determine whether it passes or fails) then it passes and doesnt require a cert. Obviously the higher the lift, the more unstable the vehicle will become and even if it got a cert it can still fail a wof for that reason
The virm is there on the LTNZ site for all to read and you will need to spend hours studying it.
Unfortunately it is a hard document to interprate and inspectors like myself spend countless hours getting a handle on it, and worse still, every inspector may have differing interpretations and be right or wrong. I have spent alot of time discussing this issue with my reviewer and he has agreed with this interpretation.
My 2 cents worth

Thats the same way I and others interpret it, and obviously the way it gets interpreted by the place we always go to for our WOF.

But again, here is the sticky cross over part:

The NZ4WDA is saying there will be new clauses in the VIRM specific to the height a truck can be lifted, and that certification will be required if over a certain height. (No one yet has provided proof this is the truth yet)

Sooooooo, as we all know, the organisation that issues certs is the LVVTA.

Therefore the LTSA will now require the LVVTA to inspect and certify lifts in accordance with the "new" (if its true) VIRM clause.

As we know, Mudde1 stated that the NZ4WDA has had significant financial and technical input in the setting up running of the LVVTA.

What does that mean??

Well, now we have the LTSA requiring the LVVTA to issue certs, in which the NZ4WDA is a significant stake holder.

NZ4WDA see it as an opportunity for financial gain by requireing member ship before a LVVTA cert will be given.

How can they do that??

Easy, if the LVVTA is comprised of NZ4WDA members and also funded in part, its not hard to see how certain members can "nudge" discussions in a certain direction. This is especially so if the other members of the LVVTA look to the NZ4WDA representatives with in the LVVTA for advice on the issue, as they are seen to be the technical experts in this area.

So there you have it.

Under the guise of the LVVTA cert requirements, the NZ4WDA can now DEMAND member ship from any member of the entire population of NZ that wish's to fit bigger tyres to his or her 4x4.

Where that leaves combined clubs, is well, shafted???

You gotta pay money to the NZ4WDA every year of your life that you own your lifted 4x4.

This is like something from fantasy island and is so far from reality its not even funny. You wont need a Authority card for a reasonable lift, only for large lifts. I still cant understand why as a member of NZFWDA you are complaining so much. We informed our members of impending tighting of existing rules that we dident make but affect our members. Whats the problem with that?? should we keep quiet?
We arranged to make available a exemption for our members that needed it.Whats the problem with that?? should we not have bothered?
As for non members. I was elected to serve the needs of members, and that's what I do. i dont have a mandate to serve the needs of any one else. Over the years many non members have been able to benefit from the work done by NZFWDA, often without even realizing the situation, and no one ever complained about that. I listen to what the majority of members have to say, and that what I base decisions on.No matter how much abuse I get in emails and PM from, non members, it makes no difference.If you want to help us achieve our goals, contact me with sensible suggestions and offers to put some effort into helping in a piratical way.
Tony Burgess
President
NZFWDA.

DieselBoy wrote:[Well, now we have the LTSA requiring the LVVTA to issue certs, in which the NZ4WDA is a significant stake holder.

NZ4WDA see it as an opportunity for financial gain by requireing member ship before a LVVTA cert will be given.

What aload of dribble.

If it wasn't for the NZ4WDA input on the LVVTA and LTSA we could not have some of the freedoms with regard to our 4x4 mods like we do.

If Tony and his team and the past NZ4WDA committee's sat back and did nothing you and me would all be screwed.
And we would probaly be saying, why didnt they do something.! Is there someway we can infulence the rules.
Guess what, the association has a foot in the door.....

To Tony and the NZ4WDA team, keep going, try your best to get a good outcome regarding the Bureaucrats we go up against in Govt and LTSA.

Keep us posted.

Calvin

kbushnz wrote:

DieselBoy wrote:[Well, now we have the LTSA requiring the LVVTA to issue certs, in which the NZ4WDA is a significant stake holder.

NZ4WDA see it as an opportunity for financial gain by requireing member ship before a LVVTA cert will be given.

What aload of dribble.

If it wasn't for the NZ4WDA input on the LVVTA and LTSA we could not have some of the freedoms with regard to our 4x4 mods like we do.

If Tony and his team and the past NZ4WDA committee's sat back and did nothing you and me would all be screwed.
And we would probaly be saying, why didnt they do something.! Is there someway we can infulence the rules.
Guess what, the association has a foot in the door.....

To Tony and the NZ4WDA team, keep going, try your best to get a good outcome regarding the Bureaucrats we go up against in Govt and LTSA.

Keep us posted.

Calvin

Well said, and very true, Calvin

kbushnz wrote:

DieselBoy wrote:[Well, now we have the LTSA requiring the LVVTA to issue certs, in which the NZ4WDA is a significant stake holder.

NZ4WDA see it as an opportunity for financial gain by requireing member ship before a LVVTA cert will be given.

What aload of dribble.

If it wasn't for the NZ4WDA input on the LVVTA and LTSA we could not have some of the freedoms with regard to our 4x4 mods like we do.



If Tony and his team and the past NZ4WDA committee's sat back and did nothing you and me would all be screwed.
And we would probaly be saying, why didnt they do something.! Is there someway we can infulence the rules.
Guess what, the association has a foot in the door.....

To Tony and the NZ4WDA team, keep going, try your best to get a good outcome regarding the Bureaucrats we go up against in Govt and LTSA.

Keep us posted.

Calvin

x2

I agree with you there Calvin well put.

The NZ4WDA are there to help this sport not watch it go down the tubes.

Ahh, but you do see the issue we all have though don't you??

Sure the NZ4WDA lobby for 4 wheelers, they do some good things, its a given. No one is disputing that.

The issue people have is the requirement to be a NZ4WDA member in order to gain certification.

Under the current rules anyone can get a certification provided the modifications are safe.

As you said earlier, currently over a 50mm lift needs a cert ( I dispute that)


What WE are saying is that, regardless of what ever the restrictions the new rules might pose, if the modifications are safe enough to be certified, then thats just it, they are SAFE ENOUGH TO BE CERTIFIED.

Thats cool.

I have no objection to getting stuff certified. Neither do most people. If you play your cards right its a one off expense.

What we do object to, is that if our modifications can be certified as being safe, how does having a compulsory NZ4WDA membership effect that one little bit??

Again, if the mods can be certed AT ALL, then they are obviously going to have to be safe. They can't be certified otherwise.

Correct??

Soooooo, if it is safe and sound and can be certified, how can having the compulsory NZ4WDA membership be seen in any other way other than a membership and fund raising drive??

If your mods are safe, they're safe. They can be certed.

Thats the point serveral of us are making.

We disagree with the compulsory NZ4WDA member ship, as it is un-necessary. It doesn't make our modifications safer, we still have to undergo the same engineering certification process, but the NZ4WDA want to "CLIP THE TICKET" on the way through.

There will be tens of thousands of trucks now and in the future that are going to need certification under the proposed new laws.

Clipping the ticket on the way through is going to earn the NZ4WDA loads in member ship and revenue.

And it is totally unnecessary, as like I said, if you can get your mods certed as being safe with NZ4WDA member ship, then how does not being a member suddenly make them unsafe??

It doesn't.

So why the compulsory member ship then, if its not purely for the benefit of the NZ4WDA??

The only answer presented so far is has been that it was a "mandatory requirement".

Who decided that it was a mandatory requirement?? The LTSA (govt) of the LVVTA (NZ4WDA and other car enthusiast boffins)

I'm only half stirring for a change, I'm actually starting to becoming genuinely interested now

The more I dig and read, the more like Fantasy Island it actually
seems

mudde1 wrote:I still cant understand why as a member of NZFWDA you are complaining so much.

Because I and others don't want to be locked into compulsory NZ4WDA membership for the rest of our lives if we choose to own a truck with a 50mm body lift and a 50mm suspensions lift.

you only need the card for suspension lifts over 100mm. not 50mm.

But I too see the card as being unnecessary. I can understand the reasoning, but it is still not needed.

So it doesn't matter how much lift is gained with bigger tyres,As long as the total suspension/body lift does not exceed 100mm I only need cert?
Rob

Seems like this will create more holes for the insurance companies to exploit.

rob-mu wrote:So it doesn't matter how much lift is gained with bigger tyres,As long as the total suspension/body lift does not exceed 100mm I only need cert?
Rob

It would appear Mudde1 is trying to say that:

Over 50mm you need a cert, there is no distinction between suspension and body lift, if its over 50mm you need a cert .

Over 100mm, suspension, body or combination of both you obviously need a cert still. Even though it doesn't affect the safety of the vehicle in any way, you as the owner of the vehicle will be required to produce a weetbix licence from the NZ4WDA, approved by your 4x4 club captain to say you have been a member of the club for 1 year before your truck can be issued with a Cert plate stating it is is safe

Again, how does the weetbix ticket affect the safety of the truck??

Either its safe or its not.

How does whether or not the driver is a 4x4 club member directly affect the safety of the vehicle??

Or is it a case of:

"Aw, yeah, she's a bit rolly on the corners and pulls to the right mate"

"Yeah, but I got a NZ4WDA licence approved by my club captain to say I can drive a 4x4 mate"

"AWWWW SWEEEEEEEET, you must be a good driver then eh!!!"

"Yeah, I'm approved to drive a big lifted 4x4 by the NZ4WDA"

"Cool, I'l put a cert on it for you then mate"

I'm sure it won't be like that, but just saying

I just disagree with the compulsory NZ4WDA membership. It is an unnecessary requirement and has NOTHING to do with vehicle safety.

At the same time, If I chose to not be a member of the NZ4WDA, if my truck meets X,Y,Z standards, then how could they refuse me a cert on the grounds of the vehicle being unsafe??

would you rather there was no exemption and the LVVTA limited everyone to 100mm combined lift ??? certifiers don't like certing lifted trucks becouse they have to put there name to them saying they are safe... pm me if you want to know the saga I got put through over this

This "weetbix ticket" is just another exemption ticket like fenderless for the Hotrod Ass or the polycarb window or 4+ piont seatbelt exemption for MANZ.... it lets those that have a genuine interest get away with what is not normally available, we are still going to have to prove (road test by certifier) that our vehicles are safe


Yea alright you don't like the NZ4WDA, but would you cut off your nose to spite your face?

Cheers Reece

Its got nothing to do with whether you like NZ4WD ass or not ..its the fact that if you want to legally drive a vehicle thats been certified as safe you will need to join the assn & pay a yearly fee.
if its certed ,its safe ...simple as that !!!

jeez fellas

the so called weetbix license ISNT a card to say your vehicle is safe..
why the fcuk does everyone keep sayn that
the aurthority card is to acknowledge that the truck is used for the purpose it was modified for. ie: its lifted becasue it goes offroad..
doesnt mean its safe
doesnt mean your an awesome driver
just means that you are in a club and you use your truck offroad..hence the 100mm+ lift

whats to stop someone getting the card then driving like a muppet and rolling the truck..

the card, im sure WONT say. "This card means the driver is an awesome one and the truck is safe an will never roll over"

the truck is only as safe as the driver..

thats how I see it..

De-Ranged wrote::roll: would you rather there was no exemption and the LVVTA limited everyone to 100mm combined lift ???

Cheers Reece

I neither like nor dislike the NZ4WDA. Its irrelevant to this discussion.

I'm just interested in the facts.

Thats partly what I am looking into at the moment.

I'm not sure the LVVTA could limit everyone to 100mm combined lift, unless it was specified by the LTSA in the VIRM.

The LVVTA is just a technical association who ensure compliance with rules that are created by the LTSA and included in the VIRM

So the LVVTA couldn't make such a rule as you proposed.

It would have to come from the LTSA and be included as a clause in the VIRM.

Thats why Its confusing and the "Fantasy Island Conspiricy" is creeping in.....

To further make my point take this statement from Tony:

Mudde1 wrote:There is no new law, just better definition and enforcement of existing laws and rules, and for those who qualify, an exemption will become available which , again is issued to us under existing legislation.

What he's saying is there are to be no law changes. So nothing is changing apart from the NZ4WDA wanting to clip the ticket as you get a cert.

The same rules we have all been operating under for years still stand, as they are specified by the LTSA. Well, thats at least what mudde1 in his post above just said??

I don't see how you can compare roll cages and 4 point harnesses in road legal competition cars to a weekend family 4x4 with raised suspension.

Anyway, I have tried to make my point as best I can

I'll leave you guys voice your own opinions

Remember, there is no point attacking me for my opinion, attack the subject and voice your thoughts on that.

It would be awesome for all those that sit back and just read to chip in and have a say on the subject.

It seems like I have a lot to say, but thats just because I can type FAST

No I haven't read thru the pages of dribble, but bear in mind if your vehicle now needs certing coz its higher, then be prepared for the cert man to pass the lift and fail it on everything else you thought was fine, ie; Brakes etc

willferris wrote:

DaveM wrote:I personally can't see how this new law will improve safety.
The only change is that you now need a "card" from an affiliated club if you go over 50mm (still need cet). How does this make a vehicle any safer to use on road?

I'm not the devils advocate but you are obviously missing the point.
it will improve safety in that those who want to legally want to drive a 100mm lifted vehicle on the road will be deterred by haivng to join a club an say cheese to the club captiain.

At the moment a 15 yr old with no experience can get behind the wheel legally, with no experience and go out driving with his 17yr old mate. Somone who has completed a instant kiwi scratchy learner licence test can drive a vehicle that is lifted to whoknowshowhigh MM ifhte vehicle was deemed to be safely lifted by a certifier. Add in a club captains nomination and there will be less of these, legally on the road, and the less of these on the road the less chance of accidents happeneing. People dying on NZ roads is an expensive business. Cleaning them up doesnt cut the surface. the loss of income they bring to the economy and ongoing tax they would have paid. We can not afford to have people dying. The fewer the better. It is a business. it makes sense. Just join a club an pay away or go outlaw. Don't complain an do nothing.....

Strange, some people seem to think it's all about safety......

J_Dub wrote:jeez fellas

the so called weetbix license ISNT a card to say your vehicle is safe..
why the fcuk does everyone keep sayn that
the aurthority card is to acknowledge that the truck is used for the purpose it was modified for. ie: its lifted becasue it goes offroad..
doesnt mean its safe
doesnt mean your an awesome driver
just means that you are in a club and you use your truck offroad..hence the 100mm+ lift

whats to stop someone getting the card then driving like a muppet and rolling the truck..

the card, im sure WONT say. "This card means the driver is an awesome one and the truck is safe an will never roll over"

the truck is only as safe as the driver..

thats how I see it..

willferris wrote:

DaveM wrote:I personally can't see how this new law will improve safety.
The only change is that you now need a "card" from an affiliated club if you go over 100mm (still need cet). How does this make a vehicle any safer to use on road?

I'm not the devils advocate but you are obviously missing the point.
it will improve safety in that those who want to legally want to drive a 100mm lifted vehicle on the road will be deterred by haivng to join a club an say cheese to the club captiain.

At the moment a 15 yr old with no experience can get behind the wheel legally, with no experience and go out driving with his 17yr old mate. Somone who has completed a instant kiwi scratchy learner licence test can drive a vehicle that is lifted to whoknowshowhigh MM ifhte vehicle was deemed to be safely lifted by a certifier. Add in a club captains nomination and there will be less of these, legally on the road, and the less of these on the road the less chance of accidents happeneing. People dying on NZ roads is an expensive business. Cleaning them up doesnt cut the surface. the loss of income they bring to the economy and ongoing tax they would have paid. We can not afford to have people dying. The fewer the better. It is a business. it makes sense. Just join a club an pay away or go outlaw. Don't complain an do nothing.....

Strange, some people seem to think it's all about safety......

im not saying that its not about safety

drivers license = you can drive
cert = its safe
aurthority card= your in a club (nothing to do with the other 2)

you got your license to say you can drive
you get the aurthority card to say your in a club
you get the cert to say your truck is safe

some are concentrating on that the aurthority card is second guessing the cert. (who are the club reps to say that my truck is safe, when it has a cert... for eg)

but thats not what the card is doing

Thats partly what I am looking into at the moment.

I'm not sure the LVVTA could limit everyone to 100mm combined lift, unless it was specified by the LTSA in the VIRM.

The LVVTA is just a technical association who ensure compliance with rules that are created by the LTSA and included in the VIRM

So the LVVTA couldn't make such a rule as you proposed.

It would have to come from the LTSA and be included as a clause in the VIRM.

That puts a whole different light on things.... also explains why when I had my drama's with LVVTA they kept talking about "safety issues" and trying to find other points to fail hmmmm no wonder Andy S was there he'd be the only one with any real authority
thanks for that DB

Cheers Reece

the aurthority card is to acknowledge that the truck is used for the purpose it was modified for. ie: its lifted becasue it goes offroad.

I do not see why a "road" truck cannot be lifted and exempt but a truck used "off road" can?

This to me smacks of discrimination against those who prefer a "shiny" show pony or a marketing toy etc.

I do not understand what this exercise is trying to achieve, is it that you can only have a "lifted" tuck if you use it off road?
Then how is this truck any safer than a "off road" lifted truck? Who is to say people who have these for mentioned "shiney show pony/marketing" trucks are any less responsible drivers than those of us who are in clubs/organisations?

Or am I missing something?

kiwipete wrote:

the aurthority card is to acknowledge that the truck is used for the purpose it was modified for. ie: its lifted becasue it goes offroad.

I do not see why a "road" truck cannot be lifted and exempt but a truck used "off road" can?

This to me smacks of discrimination against those who prefer a "shiny" show pony or a marketing toy etc.

I do not understand what this exercise is trying to achieve, is it that you can only have a "lifted" tuck if you use it off road?
Then how is this truck any safer than a "off road" lifted truck? Who is to say people who have these for mentioned "shiney show pony/marketing" trucks are any less responsible drivers than those of us who are in clubs/organisations?

Or am I missing something?

It's no different in the way modified cars need to prove their use. If you modify the motor, or suspension to improve handling/performance, you must be a car club member, after all, that must turn it into a race car.....oh, hold on, it's only for when you add a roll cage which may actually INCREASE safety, that you need to do that