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[mudzilla]

Sad

[skid]

Sad

whats SAD, is that he posted those gay pics up for us to ridicule him

HEY WOP


GET SOME BETTER WORK STORIES

[MNC]

bought a transportation carry thingy to put the missile on for when i go do cool stuff that might break it

Jealous much

One of the main reasons I bought that road legal 40 was that tandem braked trailers cost so much

[wopass]

cost bout the same as a set of pedes on rims

[mercutio]

how did the cert inspection go dude

[wopass]

how did the cert inspection go dude

got a list...



i hate lists

[mercutio]

oh bugger how big a list

[wopass]

oh bugger how big a list

pretty massive

gotta change the seatbelt mounts a bit and put some foam on the cage in the cabin....

[Madaz]

oh bugger how big a list

pretty massive

gotta change the seatbelt mounts a bit and put some foam on the cage in the cabin....

Let me guess - seat belt mounts too strong?

Unbelievable I got pulled up on that one

[wopass]

oh bugger how big a list

pretty massive

gotta change the seatbelt mounts a bit and put some foam on the cage in the cabin....

Let me guess - seat belt mounts too strong?

Unbelievable I got pulled up on that one

pretty much, aparently 3mm plate pop riveted to the panel (how the regs say you have to do it) is stronger than my 6mm sandwich plates and my upper mounts were to high so had to get some droppers as i diddnt want to weld anything to the side of the cage but thats all done now so its all sweet.

[mercutio]

how was he to deal with in general just asking as i still got to get mine certed

[wopass]

yea really good, would recomend him highly. hes mobile and came to huntly so if you ring him up he would go to your place in T.K for sure. just remember to tell him i recomended him to you

[vvega]

he waz pritty awsome
was a really good day for the cheerleaders

[gimmemud]

yea really good, would recomend him highly. hes mobile and came to huntly so if you ring him up he would go to your place in T.K for sure. just remember to tell him i recomended him to you

Did you tell him i reccommended you?

[Madaz]

pretty much, aparently 3mm plate pop riveted to the panel (how the regs say you have to do it) is stronger than my 6mm sandwich plates and my upper mounts were to high so had to get some droppers as i diddnt want to weld anything to the side of the cage but thats all done now so its all sweet.

Sounds like Deja Vu

[wopass]

yea really good, would recomend him highly. hes mobile and came to huntly so if you ring him up he would go to your place in T.K for sure. just remember to tell him i recomended him to you

Did you tell him i reccommended you?

yup

pretty much, aparently 3mm plate pop riveted to the panel (how the regs say you have to do it) is stronger than my 6mm sandwich plates and my upper mounts were to high so had to get some droppers as i diddnt want to weld anything to the side of the cage but thats all done now so its all sweet.

Sounds like Deja Vu

i can imagine, those regs need a serious work over eh, some of the stuff in there is just plain stupid.

all good tho, should have the cert tag on by the end of next week, then a couple victory laps up town on the friday night for a laugh

[darinz]

Did you refit normal seat belts or get harnesses certed?
My next step is to have harnesses only but need to convince certifier that it is a scratch built truck! Aparently mine is still hasn't been modified enough to count as scratch built!!!

[wopass]

Did you refit normal seat belts or get harnesses certed?
My next step is to have harnesses only but need to convince certifier that it is a scratch built truck! Aparently mine is still hasn't been modified enough to count as scratch built!!!

had to fit web clamp seat belts due to limited cabin space but yea normal type arangment

to have sctratch built status the vehicle has to have NO prior identity ever, so if it has been registered before...ever you cant get it certed as scratch built but a sctratch built can have harnesses certed.... yea they really need to have a major make over of the regulations

[darinz]

It is another case of interpretation as my certifier has said once I change the chassis enough then he'll call it a scratch build! It is a bit silly as MSNZ guys can run harnesses with an authority card yet ORANZ and NZFWDA which also both have raod legal classes can get cages legal but not harnesses? A cage without a harness is just plain asking for trouble!

[vvega]

It is another case of interpretation as my certifier has said once I change the chassis enough then he'll call it a scratch build! It is a bit silly as MSNZ guys can run harnesses with an authority card yet ORANZ and NZFWDA which also both have raod legal classes can get cages legal but not harnesses? A cage without a harness is just plain asking for trouble!

you have to have a race licence to use a harness on the road unless your car was scratch built
there are good reasons for that

also in order to get a aurthority card you have to have your car homologated
is your car homologated ?

[haynzy]

It is another case of interpretation as my certifier has said once I change the chassis enough then he'll call it a scratch build! It is a bit silly as MSNZ guys can run harnesses with an authority card yet ORANZ and NZFWDA which also both have raod legal classes can get cages legal but not harnesses? A cage without a harness is just plain asking for trouble!

you have to have a race licence to use a harness on the road unless your car was scratch built
there are good reasons for that

also in order to get a aurthority card you have to have your car homologated
is your car homologated ?

I have left my 3 point belts in and only use the 4 point harnesses for offroad

[U-BOAT]

It is another case of interpretation as my certifier has said once I change the chassis enough then he'll call it a scratch build! It is a bit silly as MSNZ guys can run harnesses with an authority card yet ORANZ and NZFWDA which also both have raod legal classes can get cages legal but not harnesses? A cage without a harness is just plain asking for trouble!

I talked to my certifier about what deems a scratch built vehicle vs a modified vehicle, his veiw was that it had a veihicle been modified more than 70% of the original, then he would class it as a scratch built as the paper work side of things is easier than saying its a modified vehilce.

[darinz]

You don't have to have a race license, the vehicle just has to be certified for harnesses. Just like internal rollcages etc. The easiest way is a MSNZ homologation but it can be done other ways.
We looked into getting it homolgated but getting the backstays to comply with MSNZ spec was to difficult in the current layout. Even with a full chassis vehicle MSNZ specs require the back stay to be within the axle line to allow for crumple zones. They have been asked to change the rule for full chassis vehicles but they won't.

Like most people I have the factory belts for on road and harnesses off road. It just seems stupid to have a harness that works better than the factory belt and yet not be allowed to use it. Also it is a PIA to have 2 sets of belts.

I don't question the need for restriction as a harness only works if adjusted properly and you can only imgine what every boy racer would do if allowed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Madaz]

Yep, went through the same dramas with mine - tried every trick in the book to get them certed but still a no go(wasnt even allowed them in the truck while it was getting certed).
Had to change to web clamb seatbelts as well.
F--ken bulls---t

[vvega]

You don't have to have a race license, the vehicle just has to be certified for harnesses. Just like internal rollcages etc. The easiest way is a MSNZ homologation but it can be done other ways.
We looked into getting it homolgated but getting the backstays to comply with MSNZ spec was to difficult in the current layout. Even with a full chassis vehicle MSNZ specs require the back stay to be within the axle line to allow for crumple zones. They have been asked to change the rule for full chassis vehicles but they won't.

Like most people I have the factory belts for on road and harnesses off road. It just seems stupid to have a harness that works better than the factory belt and yet not be allowed to use it. Also it is a PIA to have 2 sets of belts.

I don't question the need for restriction as a harness only works if adjusted properly and you can only imgine what every boy racer would do if allowed!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TECHNICAL BULLETIN - 2
MOTORSPORT / LVVTA AUTHORITY CARD
1. PREAMBLE
MotorSport New Zealand has worked with the Land Transport Safety Authority (LTSA) and the
Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association (LVVTA) to provide for competition license holders
who have modified their vehicle/s for competition and additionally require to use them on the
public highway.
When a vehicle is modified for competition purposes, one or more of the manufacturers original
‘standards’ may be affected. Where this is the case another approved ‘standard’ has to be
applied in order to enable a Warrant of Fitness to be issued to the vehicle. Dependent upon the
type of modification/s made to the vehicle, a number of options are available to gain recognised
alternative standard/s, through one or a combination of the following:
· ‘Certification’ through the Low Volume Vehicle Code, and/or
· Compliance with an ‘exemption’ issued by the LTSA and/or
· Issue of an ‘Authority Card’.
The MotorSport Authority Card is the means of identifying and providing proof that a vehicle
modified for competition purposes complies with an approved alternative standard. The
scheme covers the following components as grouped under the detailed headings:
· Competition Occupant Protection System, incorporating
Full harness safety belts
Roll protection structure
Competition seats
Removal of a manufacturer installed occupant protection system (e.g. SRS airbag)
· Competition Braking System
Hydraulic handbrake assembly
Braided flexible brake lines
· Alternative glazing
Plastic glazing
Important Note 1: Any additional modifications (that are not covered within one of the above
groups) may require the vehicle to be certified under the Low Volume Vehicle Code. Any
modification that affects a LTSA ‘Vehicle Standards Rule’ (VSR) will require certification. If in
doubt as to the status of any modification, please contact the Low Volume Vehicle Technical
Association for advice – (09) 268 9550.
Important Note 2: It is the responsibility of the vehicle owner to ensure that their modified
vehicle remains compliant to an approved standard. It is the Warrant of Fitness Authorities that
are charged with checking ‘in-service’ compliance, during WOF inspections. This is a legal
requirement, not a MotorSport NZ requirement, although MotorSport NZ will monitor this
requirement during competition audit scrutineering.
MotorSport New Zealand Inc
Motorsport House
11 Torrens Terrace
P O Box 3793
Wellington 6015
Phone: +64-4-801-9559
Fax: +64-4-801-8558
Email: technical@motorsport.org.nz
Website: http://www.motorsport.org.nz
Scrutineers’ Handbook
Page 78 Edition Four - October 2002
2. REQUIREMENTS
Any MotorSport NZ licence holder who wishes to use, or is required to use as part of a
MotorSport NZ permitted event, a modified (competition) vehicle on the public highway, is
required to hold an Authority Card.
Note. 1 Competition vehicles that are used solely on circuits or officially closed roads are only
required to have an Authority Card if the class regulations specify that the vehicle shall be road
registered and hence requires a Warrant of Fitness.
Note. 2 Inspection and continued compliance with one or more of the approved ‘alternative
standards’ is maintained by MotorSport NZ, through the mandatory audit scrutineering process
and by re-application where a change has been made to the nominated items detailed on the
card (this includes change of vehicle ownership).
Note. 3 Proof of compliance is maintained by presentation of the Authority Card. This is
required when the vehicle is subject to a Warrant of Fitness inspection, carried out by
appointed AVI inspectors.
3. NEW APPLICATION
If you wish to apply for an Authority Card you need to ensure that:
i) You have a current MotorSport NZ competition license, or you apply at the same time
as for your competition license, and
ii) Your vehicle has a MotorSport logbook (application form T001) and complies with the
relevant requirements as detailed in Article 5 of this bulletin, and
iii) You intend to compete in at least two events per annum.
Application is made on form T002. You are required to complete section one of the application
form and then contact, through your car club, an ‘A’ designated Scrutineer or a Technical
Officer who will inspect the relevant items on your vehicle and complete sections two and three
of the application form.
Should the vehicle, or any relevant item/s be found not to comply with MotorSport NZ
requirements, then the deficiencies must be corrected and the vehicle re-inspected before the
application may be signed off. The MotorSport NZ official will advise whether a full or partial reinspection
of the vehicle is required.
Once the application has been signed off, it should be sent together with the vehicle’s logbook
and the current fee to the MotorSport office for processing.
Note. 1 Application forms are available from the MotorSport office, through your car club or
from the MotorSport NZ website http://www.motorsport.org.nz .
Note. 2 An application fee of $33.75 is applicable. There may be an additional cost if the official
is required to travel to inspect the vehicle or carry out the inspection during business hours; this
will normally be no more than $25.00 per inspection.
Note. 3 The Authority Card needs to be kept with the vehicle at all times and presented on
request to the Police, Warrant of Fitness Authorities or appointed MotorSport officials.
Note. 4 Authority Cards are valid for a maximum period of 12 months and run concurrent with
the applicant’s license, hence the card expires on the same day as your competition license.
Note. 5 Applications can not be processed without a vehicle logbook – ensure that it is
included with the application.

hope that clears that up

[darinz]

Yeah that's all true (obviously and have read through it several times trying to find a loophole) but if scratch built you can use harnesses on road without the need for an authority card or MSNZ license. What I'm saying is that MSNZ is not the only avenue for getting harnesses legal for road use.
The issue is what defines a scratch built vehicle and it is open to certifier interpretation and that is the issue.

The other issue is that a Challenge Class winch truck is a legitimet motorsport that requires road travel, road legal, rollcages and harness but is not a justification for an authority card. Same as class 6 in ORANZ. So the issue is really that we can get homologated but won't do the required number of races so our authority card will lapse and then we can't use harnesses. So authority card doesn't really work for us unless we join a car club and do hill climbs etc! (which has been thought about!!!)

It is all a bit stupid really as we are a fringe sport and don't really fit any of the existing rules other than going the scratch built route and that is so grey that we can't use that most of the time either!

Unless there is something within MSNZ that has changed since we looked into it a couple of years ago?

[vvega]

lol weld up the chassis numbers and get it recomplied
see thats actually the issue .. if your complied with harness's then you get to keep them ... if not then you need to get homologation witch is a form of recomplyance .....

its all just the way there system works .. once they have the chassis number its very hard to get around

i agree completely they have some stupid rules .. but they can be worked

[darinz]

lol weld up the chassis numbers and get it recomplied
see thats actually the issue .. if your complied with harness's then you get to keep them ... if not then you need to get homologation witch is a form of recomplyance .....

its all just the way there system works .. once they have the chassis number its very hard to get around

i agree completely they have some stupid rules .. but they can be worked

Chassis number? You have a chassis number? Unfortunately during modifcation my chassis number was welded over. It was very unfortunate as now my certifier can't tell if it is the same chassis or not.

[vvega]

haha darnz prolly why he can make your truck into a scratch build

my trucks chassis number and cab number didnt match the rego ... so the cert man fixed that

[darinz]

He still won't scratch build it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He lets me do anything else though so I shouldn't really complain, MUCH.