Wish I Thought of That... Trail Recovery Hook

[Jerry]

Go and fix your "Jeep" Hillbilly Cousin PR

[Bulletproof]

But in all fairness is the person that tought this idea of putting two hooks together a hillbilly or what

I doubt that it was a hillbilly . Probably really believed it was a good quick way of joining ropes in ignorance.

I had an experience on No 6 track towing a Safari up a steep bank that it couldn't get up. The Nissan driver couldn't get out because he had to hold his foot on the brake so his co pilot got out to hook the ropes up because the 20 metre one was not long enough.
I couldnt see what was happening out the rear window but looking at the Video later the ropes had been joined with a D shackle and I had towed in ignorance.

The point I am making is the guy thought he was doing the right thing using the D shackle and the guys who joined the hooks probably thought that was a good idea too.
I towed a cruiser once on a speed section . The rope broke and every window in the cruiser was blown out and the woman passenger had glass all through here face and needed medical attention so it might explain why I am serious on this one.

All the shit that has been written here in jest is under mining the seriousness of that photo of the 2 hooks that someone will try

Cheers Richard

[T-Boon]

yes, quite right you are there, someone without the required knowledge to do it safely, (or someone taking the piss) you`d be better off tieing them together with a knot.

[DaveM]

While I agree that it is dangerous, I'm not sure that taking the photo off will make any difference. Surely anyone seeing the pic will read how dangerous it is?
I think it's better show to a photo, explaining why it is dangerous, just in case there are people out there doing this, or who have been thinking of doing this. Maybe after seeing this thread we may educate people as to why its a bad idea?

A bit OT, but is there a thread on the forum where the experienced guys can show (maybe by pics etc) techniques used for recoveries and a few do's and don'ts? (such as joining strops, not using recovery strops as winch extensions etc etc)
I'm sure a lot of people have witnessed bad recovery techniques that may be common practice amongst lesser experienced wheelers who may or may not know of safer options?

Dave

[PR]

Go and fix your "Jeep" Hillbilly Cousin PR

Its fixed even the heater works on to the pajero

[flyingbrick]

I wrote them an e-mail too.

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

support@moabjeeper.com

what address did you use?

[PR]

But in all fairness is the person that tought this idea of putting two hooks together a hillbilly or what

I doubt that it was a hillbilly . Probably really believed it was a good quick way of joining ropes in ignorance.

Have you seen some of the Hillbilly off road videos on youtube it remindes me of the wrangler that was stuck in the mud up to the chassie so they decided to snatch it sideways off the roll cage and ended up ripping the whole body off the chassie

Now you and me both know to carry a bit of wood like this

or grabing a stick would be quicker then bolting two hooks together.

Sorry if I offended you with the last post it was more of a dig at cousin Jerry

[xj]

same.... support@moabjeeper.com... nothing has bounced back.... yet

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From: Mark Craig (shinrai1@hotmail.com)
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Might have to copy and paste it to the other three (?) addresses on their contact list.

[lilpigzuk]

fawk, dont go asking them to respond on ore....... Got enough shit to trawl through locally .....

Will think carefully about posting something that was meant to be a laugh next time

[DaveM]

fawk, dont go asking them to respond on ore....... Got enough shit to trawl through locally .....

Will think carefully about posting something that was meant to be a laugh next time

A lot can be taken far too seriously on here

[flyingbrick]

fawk, dont go asking them to respond on ore....... Got enough shit to trawl through locally .....

Will think carefully about posting something that was meant to be a laugh next time

A lot can be taken far too seriously on here

This is of serious concern though?

[Pedro]

Now you and me both know to carry a bit of wood like this

or grabing a stick would be quicker then bolting two hooks together.

tell me, what is the load rating of that bit of timber??

pedro

[T-Boon]

it is rated to infinity

or at least the strops will break before the wood with that usage.

[DieselBoy]

Now you and me both know to carry a bit of wood like this

or grabing a stick would be quicker then bolting two hooks together.

tell me, what is the load rating of that bit of timber??

pedro

Fark, your kidding right Pedro??

Gotta be

Hahahaha, i almost bit

[DaveM]

Hahahaha, i almost bit

x2

[Pedro]

Hahahaha, i almost bit

x2

well bite away,

what is the load rating of the timber??,

there must be a value of when it will shear off??,

from what i can figure out from the setup shown one eye is thru the other and the timber is the only thing stopping the eye coming back out,
the ropes are not in a "reef" knot configuration where the timber is only there to prevent the knot locking up on itself, the timber is taking the load directly between the two eyes

so its a valid question- what is the shear point of the wood

pedro

[rokhound]

Not quite how it works, and needs a better pic.

But i spose it will blow you away to learn that it doesn't even have to be timber, I have used rolled up magazine to do the same job .

Both strop eyes are passed through each other, so yes, the strops are in "reef" knot configuration, and the timber is only there to stop them knotting together,

[Smurf]

http://www.4wdbits.co.nz/RopeJoinerInstructions.pdf

[Pedro]

http://www.4wdbits.co.nz/RopeJoinerInstructions.pdf

yup top photo is what was shown in the original post, please can some one define a "light tow" vs a "heavy tow" in option one the timber is taking the entire load, so if going for this option you need to know what it can take

pedro

[T-Boon]

i`ve seen a trainer use a magazine (womans day) in the first method (Light Pull) it handled a lot of force, pulled his jeep out of ruts (that he made for demonstration purposes) and up a hill backwards without damage to the rolled up magazine. (admittedly off a tow bar looped under and over) was quite surprised, so as above i`d say the strops would break before the wood would ?

Anyone wanna get 2 junk cars and fire them away from each other at 50K to find out ?

[Smurf]

I would never use that method shown, I have seen it used off road and the green branch that was used disintegrated with very little load on it.
I have used the other method where both ropes are threaded through each other with the wood to stop them binding. even if the wood lets go the two ropes are still attached to each other and can't go flying. Just means you have a heck of a job separating the two ropes once the wood has given way and the ropes have tightened

[dazza85]

Not quite how it works, and needs a better pic.

But i spose it will blow you away to learn that it doesn't even have to be timber, I have used rolled up magazine to do the same job .

Both strop eyes are passed through each other, so yes, the strops are in "reef" knot configuration, and the timber is only there to stop them knotting together,

Like this ...

[lilpigzuk]

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wonder what happened to her top when the ropes tightened

[DaveM]

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wonder what happened to her top when the ropes tightened

Was thinking WTF??? until I looked closer

I've used a magazine in the past, while it ruined a good FHM cover, it also pulled a hilux from a bog. Looking back, I shoulda left the Lux there, and kept the mag

[Bubba]

fawk, dont go asking them to respond on ore....... Got enough shit to trawl through locally .....

Will think carefully about posting something that was meant to be a laugh next time

Hahaha serves you right!! I think they should email rex directly, even better I have Rex's phone number!!

[Dr_PC]

fawk, dont go asking them to respond on ore....... Got enough shit to trawl through locally .....

Will think carefully about posting something that was meant to be a laugh next time

Yeah well I'm still laughing over that one. IMO anyone dumbass enough to try that is probably already deceased anyway, or that will be only one of a multitude of things that is going to make him/her deceased

[niblik]

"ngggggggggg thin out their numberzzzzzzzzzzz"

[xj]

And the response......


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Gentlemen,

First, thanks for reading and taking enough interest and your valuable time to comment on an article. This article for some reason has hit a nerve with folks there in Australia and I can't help but wonder as to the purpose of the communications all stemming from your neck of the woods.

Let me simply say that if the purpose is honest and open discussion of the article, I will be willing to entertain any serious discussion you'd like to have. In fact, for the auto journalists in the group, if you're willing, we will even post any serious, well thought out critique of our article as you write it, verbatim. There are a couple of caveats however: 1) The critique must be of the technique or methodology, not a judgmental assessment without factual or statistical basis. 2) You must also be willing to openly take credit for your critique using your professional credentials. Additionally, we reserve the right to rebut any critique submitted.

Here at MJ we know we don't know everything. The difference between us and many others is that we're willing to say that we don't, and we welcome true honest discussion with folks who may have more knowledge.

Thanks for your interest and I look forward to any meaningful discussion you'd like to engage in.

Thanks for reading,

Adventure Bob

VP of Breaking Stuff

Im quite pissed that Im referred to as an Australian.

[xj]

... and response has been sent.....

Ive got waaayyyyy too much time on my hands, only 5 more days and i can go back to work... yay....

[DaveM]

fawk, dont go asking them to respond on ore....... Got enough shit to trawl through locally .....

Will think carefully about posting something that was meant to be a laugh next time

A lot can be taken far too seriously on here

This is of serious concern though?

Sorry, meant comments on Jeeps etc