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.22HMR's are ok for goats if you ain't a complete hack.

but then I know of people who have shot deer with .22's so who knows.

flyingbrick wrote:.17HMR's are ok for goats if you ain't a complete hack.

but then I know of people who have shot deer with .22's so who knows.

mate of mine has taken a deer with his .17HMR. wouldnt reccomend it to a novice shooter tho, need to pop them in the eye or ear hole so a good shot is needed

totally OT, but I wonder sometimes if my .17 is a little too fast/penetrative for bunnies at short/medium distance. SFA knockdown power.

I've shot a few at about 50m and had them twitch/fall over and then sprint off into the shrubbery. This is using the high velocity plastic tipped *I cant remember the name...Vmax?...(or is that a motorcycle?)* rounds.

I should have been aiming for the head..

Mud Hog wrote:

wopass wrote:

flyingbrick wrote:whats a .17hmr2?

he meant to say a .17 mach2 . the HMR is a .22 mag case necked to .17 and the mach2 is a .22 case necked so much the same but not as much poke.

the .17 is a neat little pill but i would still recomend the .22 as a first rifle,more forgiving and cheaper to run

I see them advertised as 17hmr2 now. Whats the biggest game anyone has droped with this calibre?

17mach2 also called 17hm2 (17hmr2 is proberly a made up name by local village idiot )
called mach2 due to being over 2000fps. orginally it was 2100fps but it was changed to 2010fps to make it more semiauto friendly.

biggest thing i've shot with it has been a hare. you need to remember the 17's are dedicated varmint round, not a general workhorse like the 22lr.

flyingbrick wrote:totally OT, but I wonder sometimes if my .17 is a little too fast/penetrative for bunnies at short/medium distance. SFA knockdown power.

I've shot a few at about 50m and had them twitch/fall over and then sprint off into the shrubbery. This is using the high velocity plastic tipped *I cant remember the name...Vmax?...(or is that a motorcycle?)* rounds.

I should have been aiming for the head..

YA MISSED ! !

these rounds blow up on impact. biggest problem with rabbits is they can make a mess of your (soon to be) dinner.
it certainly sounds like you missed the kill zone. with rimfire you need to hit heart/lungs etc and boiler room on a rabbit is a small target to hit.

J_Dub wrote:whats involved to get ya license?
theory test and and practical or whats the go???

come with me to do it, my dads cousin is the firearms officer in kura.

sublime wrote:

J_Dub wrote:whats involved to get ya license?
theory test and and practical or whats the go???

come with me to do it, my dads cousin is the firearms officer in kura.

chuuur... you keen aswell then? something i always wanted to get into.. 4wheeling in the bush... mayaswell shoot shit while we in there

J_Dub wrote:

sublime wrote:

J_Dub wrote:whats involved to get ya license?
theory test and and practical or whats the go???

come with me to do it, my dads cousin is the firearms officer in kura.

chuuur... you keen aswell then? something i always wanted to get into.. 4wheeling in the bush... mayaswell shoot shit while we in there

yep its been many years since i last went deer stalking and am keen as to get into it again

http://www.nzhuntingexp.co.nz/Hunting-Tips-25.html

Some pretty good tips in there, and he also does hunting training tips, a bit $$, but i cant really see any other downside.

have a read of the fishnhunt.co.nz forums alot of good advise on all aspects of hunting

Wandered into Wilson's Sports shop yesterday.

Saw with great interest, a LOOOOOONG barrelled Ruger number one in .204 Weatherby.
Short barrelled Number One in 7X57 in my mind, the best medium range game cartridge EVER.
and a slew of H&R toppers in various cals, 30.30, 223, 243, 17hmr
Those Toppers take a scope nicely and if you cant drop a deer with ONE shot, practice on paper until you can.

best snap shooting practice we ever had was shooting rats at a rubbish tip by spotlight with our deeerstalking rifles.

What do I use? Ruger Semi in .44 Rem mag Big pistol cart, nicely accurate with a good thump out to a whopping hundred yards. Why the Semi? because I wanted one as a bolt action and couldnt get one.

h8ruba wrote:have a read of the fishnhunt.co.nz forums alot of good advise on all aspects of hunting

Wow, looks like some good stuff on there.

Moriarty wrote:Wandered into Wilson's Sports shop yesterday.

Saw with great interest, a LOOOOOONG barrelled Ruger number one in .204 Weatherby.
Short barrelled Number One in 7X57 in my mind, the best medium range game cartridge EVER.
and a slew of H&R toppers in various cals, 30.30, 223, 243, 17hmr
Those Toppers take a scope nicely and if you cant drop a deer with ONE shot, practice on paper until you can.

best snap shooting practice we ever had was shooting rats at a rubbish tip by spotlight with our deeerstalking rifles.

What do I use? Ruger Semi in .44 Rem mag Big pistol cart, nicely accurate with a good thump out to a whopping hundred yards. Why the Semi? because I wanted one as a bolt action and couldnt get one.

204weatherby or 204 ruger

haynzy wrote:

Moriarty wrote:Wandered into Wilson's Sports shop yesterday.

Saw with great interest, a LOOOOOONG barrelled Ruger number one in .204 Weatherby.
Short barrelled Number One in 7X57 in my mind, the best medium range game cartridge EVER.
and a slew of H&R toppers in various cals, 30.30, 223, 243, 17hmr
Those Toppers take a scope nicely and if you cant drop a deer with ONE shot, practice on paper until you can.

best snap shooting practice we ever had was shooting rats at a rubbish tip by spotlight with our deeerstalking rifles.

What do I use? Ruger Semi in .44 Rem mag Big pistol cart, nicely accurate with a good thump out to a whopping hundred yards. Why the Semi? because I wanted one as a bolt action and couldnt get one.

204weatherby or 204 ruger

204 SOMETHING. new one on me, all I know is its about the same speed as a 220 swift.


Thanks for the correction filled a gap!!

looked up comparative ballistics
220 Swift Winchester. 4000FPS 50 gn slug
204 R Ruger 4030FPS 32 gn slug

Both would have been tested with that impossible to buy thing, a 26" barrel, Some manufacturers even at times published figures obtained from a 30" bbl. No, I am NOT say that THAT happened here.

The 220 Swift HAD a known barrel life of around a thousand rounds and then accuracy would start to fall off.
Wonder how the 204 will fare? SHOULD be better, as there have been many improvements in all aspects of interior ballistics and barrele materials.

still the wrong gun for me for deep bush and shitty gullies like what I like to hunt in.
My 44 is still the best cartridge I have ever tried for those real close fast shots at twitchy jap deer. But, Haynzy, as they say, One man's meat is another's poison.

Ya dead on the money bob, I had a 204 and it was great for shootin rabbits and hares out to 400m+ but after the 2nd neck shot sika spika ran away I sold it and bought a kilwell innovation flyrod not sot good for deer but the tongariro rainbows hate it
I now have my little winchester .22 that I have earmarked for my son when he is old enough and my deer gun is a .260rem, which is perfect for me and my wife to shoot with and so far has accounted for 6 hinds 6 spikers and three 8 point sika stags with as many bullets so seems to go alright
For someone starting out though I always suggest the 7mm08 as ballisticly they suit most types of nz hunting and ya can almost guarantee you could buy ammo in any gun store in nz for it (I reload mine as there is none in the country )

haynzy wrote:For someone starting out though I always suggest the 7mm08 as ballisticly they suit most types of nz hunting and ya can almost guarantee you could buy ammo in any gun store in nz for it (I reload mine as there is none in the country )

Agreed.

I love my little model 7 in 7mm08.

Another one I had to look up!!! Farrrk lokkit happens when you take your eye of firearms developments while you bring up kids instead....

308 necked down to 264. Hmmm any advantage over a 7x57 or 7mm-08? Apart from probable reduced recoil.

You would be hard pressed to make me swap off my Ruger 44R Mag though!!

Ohhhhhh Lookit I found. re-isssued in a variety of small rimfire cals.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting ... 895704.htm

sorta pretty much like the .284 mate but newer

wopass wrote:sorta pretty much like the .284 mate but newer

Not really, Ben
284 is 7mm slug in a 308 length case but 30.06 volume.

this new case is a 308W necked down to 264 or 6.5mm its based on the 7mm 08 or 308W necked down to 7mm so actually delivers maybe slightly higher Velocity, but less energy downrange.
for efficiency, still does not really improve much on the 7X57 Mauser from which ALL these cases are derived!!


Did you look at that new issue of the Browning T-Bolt? now comes in 17HRM and 22WRM wonder if mine would chamber out except for the mag length. You have a 17 is it any real improvement in range, accuracy and energy??

i was meaning the 7mm-08 mate kinda like the 284 but whatever spins your wheels

Good stuff for wanting to get amongst it T Boon.
In my opinion start out with a .22, which you can hunt all small game with. Bolt action/ semi auto, it doesnt matter because at the end of the day saftey is saftey, that is why you sit a fire arms test. Spend alot of time with your weapon so you know it inside and out, and how everything works.

If its you and you think you would like to get into deer stalking or larger game then go buy your self a cannon. Dont #### around with something slightly larger than a .22. When your learning on large game you want to make it as easy as possiable. a .270/.308 etc will knock over anything, the name of the game is getting experience and animals under your belt. Once you are a competent shot and have (possiably years of) experience then you could move to a smaller caliber (like a .22-250) for more advanced shooting.

Yeah, actually picked up my app today, after looking at some nice 22's, and a SKS in 7.62 x 39 calibre, man they;s some big bullets..

then just gotta find somewhere to actually hunt/shoot...

if u gunna buy a cheap .22 i recommened just getting a norinco ive got 2 of them lever and a bolt action, there cheap as chips and shoot great! mine where both 2nd hand one $230 and the other $150 both great rifles! but thats if u dont wanna spend much!

Yeah, i`ll go shopping when i actually get my licence. guy came around to check witnesses, and look at storage etc, now its only a matter of time.

7.62 x 39 are a good brush gun but not made for loooong range stuff. I got a Saiga and it is my new cheap toy/brush gun. Ammo is cheap, chrome lined barrel means it is easier to clean than steel and it is a cool gun with bugger all parts.

I looked at the SKS but decided on spending a little more and getting something a little better (millions of russians and arabs cant be wrong), not that the SKS isnt good value for what you pay but I wanted a little better. Mounting scopes becomes a problem with these weapons as the top cover is not a good place for a scope (it isnt rigid and moves) but side mounts are avaliable. I got my Saiga from Talon arms in Chch and for $880 I got two mags and a scope mount, Gun city have the same rifle with just one mag and no scope mount for $999. About $70 for another mag and $150 for the mount, so I thought it was a good deal.

Now gotta get my E cat as I have bought a draginov (sp?) stock and it majically became an E cat - Bugger. Got the safe already though so its just paperwork and apparently for those of us with A cat guns that are now E cat guns the licence fee is waived. Just waiting for the beaurocray to catch up before I put my app through.

Heath

Isee Gun city is selling M305 (chinese versions of the M14) for $699. Thats not bad value for a semi auto 308.

Heath wrote:Isee Gun city is selling M305 (chinese versions of the M14) for $699. Thats not bad value for a semi auto 308.

Link ?

http://www.guncity.co.nz/308-chinese-m305-m14-copy-new-xidp162090.html Was looking at them in the weekend when they were on sale for $599, very tempting

If you get one dont bother with the cheap scope mount as they are alloy and shake to bits, wrecking your scope in the process. Spend a few extra dollars and get a decent one.

Problem with the 308's are they are expensive to feed at over a dollar a shot, where as the 762 shorts are around 30-40 cents a shot. But if you reload its not too bad.

Been watchin this thread for a while now and cant help but say my 2c
The facination of these cheap semis eludes me, cheap ammo is not a good reason to purchase a firearm. assuming the purchaser is the auther of this thread and he is just begining to hunt the chances of him seeing amounts of game on a regular basis would be very lucky and more probebly he may see nothing for quite a few trips. now im not against firearm ownership as I have hunted all my life and was shootin deer when most of my friends were playing on their commadore 64's but I dont think in my opinion a first time firearm owner should buy a rifle in a configuration or calibre that is not suited to nz hunting conditions ie
fallow small deer usually close shots and small animal requiring maybe a 223 or 243
sika chance of longer shots, tough critters, hunting need a bigger like 270 or sim
goats .22 learn to shoot
as usual these comments may not appeal to everyone but hey my 2c