Lift option LWB GQ to fit 33s

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Its a shame the driver lets the truck down though aye :oops:

Will be getting a bit of much needed driving practice over easter, and will be joining the local and Nelson clubs so the truck actually gets used :D


If the truck has saggy soft suspension, I would go for a suspension lift as you don't have to worry about the cert, and if you go 2-3" this would be more than enough for the driving you intend to do, but be wary of running 33's. I have had no issues with these, but others I know have failed wofs with them as "they need to be certed"
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instead of 33-12.5x15 tyres why not go for 285-75x16 . they are still 33" high but not as wide, a better option for a non turbo truck. i have changed my road tyres from 33-12.5 x15 savero mts for 285 -75x16 dunlop mt2 s and have found the truck handles a lot better on gravel, the 285's dont slide around as much. the narrower tyre is also slightly better in the mud and climbs out of ruts better. Before i turboed my nissan i ran 32-11.5x15 bfg"s and found them excellent on road and off. i only sold them because of the 5" lift they look a little small. the 32 s with chains were excellent, heaps of grip and the gearing is about right.
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Thanx for that advice Mudchukka.Will add that to my research base.Was hoping to stick to my JJ15-7s[I think that`s the right code,7" wide anyways]DaveM.So, I should maybe start with the spring lift 1st.See how that goes,and mybe, body lift later on.If need be.No cert to start with makes sense.Any of you guyz seen the Goodyear web site[NZ]?They seem to have a good selection of trye sizes.$`s would be up there I would imagine.Being USA imported[I think so any way.
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Got some feedback on an inquiry for Bilstein shocks.Local fitter/agent.They do not stock the 5150 cross flows.However,they can custom make/assemble Bilstein shocks for my truck.Valved to my requirements.$660 a pair for the rear.$540 a pair front.Steep I know,but can be rebuilt/altered as my needs change.Bull bars/winch ect.Excellent warranty.Thought you all might be interested.
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OUCH :shock:
Get prices for rebuilding etc, it sounds good, but I would rather just replace shocks when they eventually wear out, or if I damage one. How about adjustable tough dog shocks? Just have to turn the dial for on/off road driving, don't have to take them in to be revalved each time.

To be honest, I would start off with a cheaper setup (you can get a complete kit for those prices). If you were in the ozzy outback, sure, go rebuildable, but for what you were looking at doing, start off slowly. There are a heap of trucks running OME,EFS etc kits and getting good runs out of them.

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Pretty much what i was thinking DaveM.Need to get the prices off those guyz for the Dobinson springs though.I may as well pop into 4X4 Concepts up this way and have a chat to them.They are Tough Dog agents i belive.
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They would be good to chat to, used to run a Safari comp. truck so are pretty onto it. I ran a 2" TD kit, but found it too stiff, so went dobinson/pro comp.
I think Dieselboy stll runs his TD setup, have a chat to him, I think he changed his front coils for the same reason (just a softer TD coil though)
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Like Krawir said,welcome to the headache world of 4x4 modification.Next question from a newbie?Gear ratio`s after a tyre/wheel upspec.Will this{33"} upgrade throw the ratio`s out by much?My truck has almost 400K on the clock.If I am to take this track of mine,would a diff seal and a ratio upgrade be advisable.Tighten up the LSD whilst I`m at it.I`m thinking,whilst the diff is to be opened,why not do it all at the same time.Make sense?I`m concerned about fuel tank range.Not fuel economy.I asked about some 35" wrangler MTR`s today.$300 ea.I`ll need 15x8" rims.Rims quoated at $110 ea,X 6 of ea.Being directional tyres.2x extra for rotational purposes. Remembering that this thread has told me a 2'B/L plus a 3" S/Lift will be OK for #35`".I know I`ve gone up a few Inches.But considering I`ll need a engieering cert for the 33",why not spend the same $,and go for the 35 tyres?
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I've been kind of quietly watching this thread, because while I've done a couple of Nissans, I certainly wouldn't consider myself an expert on them. But I have a few thoughts.

Bilsteins... nice but not a lot for your money. If you bend one you can't rebuild it or revalve it, you still need either new major parts, or a new shock. Why not look at Ranchos at around $320/pair and then you can dial them in to how you want em with the 9-way adjusters built in.

Be prepared to pay approx $200-$250 per pair for coils, Dobi, MaxiTrac, Cobra, whatever... they all seem very similar other than some are stiffer in the front than others... I haven't got the MaxiTrac ones in yet, but Dobi have always been good coils going by previous installs for other vehicles. I found the Cobra 4" fronts very stiff and unyielding but have not used their 2" ones, which are supposed to flex better.

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The mtrs are not a directional tyre

Being directional tyres.2x extra for rotational purposes.


Does this mean you were going to buy 6 tyres?
Your price for rims seems a bit expensive i have bought 2 sets of rims from tonys tire service and they were $65 each (15x8)

Whet motor is in your GQ assuming its a TD42 Diesel you may want to try a set of 35's on first and see if you are happy with the loss of power.

I have run Dobi, King and OME Springs in a GQ before
OME were good a little stiff though
Dobi colapsed a coil after 6 months
We have been using kings for the past 2 years and they have been good flex well and are priced well.

As for gearing to bring it back to normal you would be looking at putting a set of 4.6's in we have run 35's on standard gearing for a couple of years and its been fine, thats with a 350 Chev pushing it though. Try the tyres on and see what you think.
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oops double post
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Scratch that last post of mine re 35s.One too many glasses of wine plus rampant web surfing consumerism.Gotta stop that.My truck is athsmatic enough without making it tougher with the wrong trye selection.
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Anyone know where I can pickup a good set of new 15x8 steel rims in the Akld-Hamilton area?
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$660 a pair for shocks? i paid half of that for my pair of TD foam cells. pretty steep for shocks! especially those ones. you could TD big bore adj's for that! and they would be much better
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I got a price for springs and shocks from Autoalign yesterday.3" Dobo`s $250 a pair plus GST.Rancho adjustable shocks $230 ea plus GST.$650 for the incab Rancho hoodakkie.
Does that sound about right price wise?Isn`t there some dude out Mangere way that has good prices on Ranchos?
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I paid $400 for a set of 4 dobinson coils inl. gst.
There's a guy from oz selling Rancho's at a good price and can probably do the in cab controller too, he has is new to TM but I think he uses the same name on ebay, so may be worth a look.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 237486.htm
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Just found his ebay listings, 435 sales, 100% positive feedback.
I would check on customs duties though, you may have to pay unless they send them individually.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NISSAN-GQ-GU-PAT ... dZViewItem
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Whats cheap about those? I have been selling em at $320/pair for ages, and I'm local not some Aussie crowd...

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SupraLux wrote:Whats cheap about those? I have been selling em at $320/pair for ages, and I'm local not some Aussie crowd...


oops :oops:
Guess Steve is the best bet then. Always thought ranchos were over $200 in NZ, but looking back it was the Bilstein price I had seen earlier in the thread :roll:
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t'is ok, I also have in the back of my mind the recent thread about Ranchos and coils... Having thought about it and thought about the vehicles I've been in with them, I think they are best suited to leaf applications anyway...

I'd recommend some good quality gas shocks over the Ranchos in coil applications as they (Ranchos) just seem to be a little harsh regardless of setting... I'd like to do some more scientific research into it, but its something you can feel, and having it reinforced by, I think, JTop the other day its just something I think is probably right.

Coils-wise... pretty much all the brands seem to be around the $200/pair mark. I've had great service from Dobinsons coils although they are only a 30ish mm lift here, and MaxiTrac's 50mm coils are nice-riding... I've heard good things about the Kings and the EFS coils but never used either... Cobras are ok, but a little stiff... Just amazed at how long the last pair I fitted took to settle in. Good 'poser' springs cos they sit the vehicle up well :)

Shocks, Rancho are out by my own admission.
MaxiTrac GQ front measurements: Closed:318mm Open:516mm
MaxiTrac 80-series Cruiser fronts: Closed:372mm Open:627mm

MaxiTrac GQ rear : Closed:397mm Open:652mm

Don't have the Monroe Adventure measurements, but they tend to be somewhere between factory and the MaxiTracs (which are at least as long if not longer than any shock I've found for most applications)

Whats the deal with the ProComps? Why do guys like em? Worth bringing some in or are they just another shock with good long travel (Nothing like long travel to make a shock legendary... look at the Rancho 9012)

Hope that info is helpful somewhere along the line...

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I have found the procomps good so far, but wouldn't mind comparing another safari with a different shock to see if I can notice the difference.
I think it's the fact that they are a good travel shock for a reletively low price ($130nz ea).
The build quality looks nowhere near as good as tough dog etc though.
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Dude from Aus on TradeMe has Ranchos RS9000X $396 Per pair delivered.Is it no duty on goods under $400?
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As Steve said, he can do them for less, but doesn't recommend them on coil sprung vehicles, something that a lot of Safari owners in oz would confirm.
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Supralux,read on an Aussie forum,some dude going a spring over,the using OEM Toyota 80 Series shocks on the GQ.How does that sound?Who stocks/sells these maxitracs you have mentioned?
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Steve (Supralux) does the maxitrac's.
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