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Was it Wayne? Make a complaint.

hang fire here
are you saying
it was certed the first time with the body lift ?

and then .. the second time it was certed ... yourd taken the body lift out ??

if you now want to put the body blocks in .. it will need another inspection

the fee's are set .. he cant change them ..

vvega wrote:hang fire here
are you saying
it was certed the first time with the body lift ?

and then .. the second time it was certed ... yourd taken the body lift out ??

if you now want to put the body blocks in .. it will need another inspection

the fee's are set .. he cant change them ..

Thats what I first thought, but it seems that even the solid axle swap etc have been left off the second plate (correct me if I'm wrong here). The body lift shouldn't be on the plate, as it was removed, but surely the rest of the mods should be?

DaveM wrote:

vvega wrote:hang fire here
are you saying
it was certed the first time with the body lift ?

and then .. the second time it was certed ... yourd taken the body lift out ??

if you now want to put the body blocks in .. it will need another inspection

the fee's are set .. he cant change them ..

Thats what I first thought, but it seems that even the solid axle swap etc have been left off the second plate (correct me if I'm wrong here).
The body lift shouldn't be on the plate, as it was removed, but surely the rest of the mods should be?

correct on the current plate it only has half what has been carried out on the truck on the other plate which i dont have (but do have paperwork for) has what is not on second plate.
origonal plate has bodylift second plate says removed but still my vehicle is not certified because someone has not combined both plates

i know i will have to recert for bodylift but why do i have to pay full price for admin problem as well as an amendment

The reply from the NZTA has finally come through.

The vehicle Inspection Requirements Manual (VIRM) states under "Reasons for rejection" in the steering chapter:

16. A modification affects a component or system that directly or indirectly affect the directional control of a vehicle, and:
a) is not excluded from the requirments for LVV specilist certification (Table9-1-1), and
b) is missing proof of LVV specialistcertification, ie:
i. the vehicle is not fitted with a valid LVV certifation plate, or
ii. the operator is not able to produce a valid modification declaration or authority card.

Body lifts are not exempt from LVV certification under Table 9-1-1 referred to above.

Body lifts can effect the way a car handlesdue to the change in the centre of gravity. If you are unsure whether the modification directly affects the directional control of the then the modification should be referred to an LVV certifier to make that decision

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/wof-news/docs/issue-11.pdf
Under "Raised suspension"
Hope this soughts this matter out.

vvega wrote:hang fire here
are you saying
it was certed the first time with the body lift ?

and then .. the second time it was certed ... yourd taken the body lift out ??

if you now want to put the body blocks in .. it will need another inspection

the fee's are set .. he cant change them ..

So you say the fee's are set & all inspectors must charge the same fee's......sounds like price fixing to me....contact the commerce commision

ive been through 3 different books on whats needed for cert and cant find anything about lifting the body either...i know there was a letter that went out to all garages for the people giving WOF's that said bodylifts now have to be certed and cant be over 2inchs....but from looking through the new certifiers handbook once again nothing about bodylifts and looked in every section from mounting points,body mods etc etc etc i talked to one of the local guys that does the certing and is known to be hard on japa's and he said he didnt really have a clue either and said to ring the LTSA...which couldnt give me an answer either...!!!

so im just going to put it in and not get cert as there is nothing anywhere about the need for cert.

skidtoy wrote:so im just going to put it in and not get cert as there is nothing anywhere about the need for cert.

My plan exactly

As long as insurance knows about the mod, your covered.

I took my Jeep for a WoF recently at one of the bright orange places, and the guy who took it through its paces, a jeep guy himself said that a 4 1/2" lift (suspension only as can't do a body lift on an XJ) would NOT require certification if I used all the original mounting points.

So as you said there seems to be a huge variation in interpretations.

BUT, the main reason for any lift is to fit bigger tyres and it is very clear that tyres 7% bigger than original require certification anyway - or did I get that wrong............

T-Boon wrote:

skidtoy wrote:so im just going to put it in and not get cert as there is nothing anywhere about the need for cert.

My plan exactly

As long as insurance knows about the mod, your covered.

Be carefull, just because the insurance knows about the mod doesnt mean you're covered, in the event of a crash your vehicle will be inspected and if its deemed the mod needs cert by the inspector then you may not be covered.
I know a crash inspector, so personally i think if you dont cert mods like a bodylift then be it on your own head.

This thread is getting abit ridiculous-it is a public forum ofcourse

Cert it or not its your choice, going for wof u may fail u may not, just be fully aware of the repercussions and dont blame anyone but yourself if it goes tits up.

Ryan.

But then if I get a normal wof, that inspector has made the decision that it is safe?

If he requests me to get it certed then I shall, but he has not the 2 wof's I have got there. He should know the rules better than me. being its his job and all ...

Engineer wrote:

T-Boon wrote:

skidtoy wrote:so im just going to put it in and not get cert as there is nothing anywhere about the need for cert.

My plan exactly

As long as insurance knows about the mod, your covered.

Be carefull, just because the insurance knows about the mod doesnt mean you're covered, in the event of a crash your vehicle will be inspected and if its deemed the mod needs cert by the inspector then you may not be covered.
I know a crash inspector, so personally i think if you dont cert mods like a bodylift then be it on your own head.

This thread is getting abit ridiculous-it is a public forum ofcourse

Cert it or not its your choice, going for wof u may fail u may not, just be fully aware of the repercussions and dont blame anyone but yourself if it goes tits up.

Ryan.

people get a fair bit carried away with that rule, yes an inspector will look at the vechicle after a crash but even if it has illegal things like bald tyres they actually have to of caused the crash for them not to pay out. They can't just say shit sorry mate i understand that driver error caused the crash but sorrry we won't pay because you have a body lift.

Same deal with something like my un certified disk brakes, yes they would decline me for insurance if i failed to stop due to the brakes but if brakes had nothing to do with me nudging someone on the way out of a car park they have no rights to decline insurance all they can do it pay the damages and then refuse to continue providing you insurance.

But then what do i no i don't bother with insurance any more, at 100 extra per mod i would be paying thousands a year just to cover the very very small amount of use it gets on the road.

rangimotors wrote:

Engineer wrote:
Be carefull, just because the insurance knows about the mod doesnt mean you're covered, in the event of a crash your vehicle will be inspected and if its deemed the mod needs cert by the inspector then you may not be covered.
I know a crash inspector, so personally i think if you dont cert mods like a bodylift then be it on your own head.

This thread is getting abit ridiculous-it is a public forum ofcourse

Cert it or not its your choice, going for wof u may fail u may not, just be fully aware of the repercussions and dont blame anyone but yourself if it goes tits up.

Ryan.

people get a fair bit carried away with that rule, yes an inspector will look at the vechicle after a crash but even if it has illegal things like bald tyres they actually have to of caused the crash for them not to pay out. They can't just say shit sorry mate i understand that driver error caused the crash but sorrry we won't pay because you have a body lift.

Same deal with something like my un certified disk brakes, yes they would decline me for insurance if i failed to stop due to the brakes but if brakes had nothing to do with me nudging someone on the way out of a car park they have no rights to decline insurance all they can do it pay the damages and then refuse to continue providing you insurance.

But then what do i no i don't bother with insurance any more, at 100 extra per mod i would be paying thousands a year just to cover the very very small amount of use it gets on the road.

Read. i did not say they WONT pay. i said they MAY not pay and only if the inspector deems the mod needed cert.

yea sorry dude i wasn't trying to say you were wrong I was just trying to say its one of those things people get a bit carried away with going on about, its a bit like "rated" hooks