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a couple of pasengers had a beer??? sober driver??

i rekon the drivers proberally had their hands full...

tuk wrote:a couple of pasengers had a beer??? sober driver??

If you really believe that you are some what deluded.

Intoxicated passengers in off road situations cause end been the ones in the wrong place and causing injury to themselves or others.

Ashburton, the solo mum capital of the South Island, I speed through it as a tickets a small price to pay.
On a serious note If you get the chance attend their annual "street sprints" they are a fantastic free event with many interesting vehicles. Know an older dude who travels a lot for his motorsport fix reckons its one of the better ones around even compared to those with $25 entry fee in nth and sth Canterbury.

Ralfie wrote:

rangimotors wrote:not many people from canterbury commenting eh... maybe thats because we know this sort of stuff happens most weekends in local rivers? Yes they are a group of muppets and it wouldn't surprise me to see a death on a trip like that but on the upside at least they are in the river bed and not destroying the stock banks. These sorts of rivers flood all the time so i very much doubt that you would find much evidence of years of damage or anything.

Perhaps comments about what they are doing wrong would help 4wders with less experiance to understand what is acceptable and what is "muppet" behaviour.

IMHO crossing rivers with water over your bonnet is not out of the norm for canterbury 4wheeling.

Its the alcohol involved.
Its the perception they portray that this is what 4WDing is all about.

Their antics are dangerous and certainly should not reflect what 4WDings is about. Dangerous with people riding unrestrained in vehicles, hanging out windows and even riding on the roof. All fuelled by alcohol.
They are the same as the boy racers in their rice burners that car enthusuiasts used to complain about giving them a bad name. But hang on they are the same guys, now moving into four wheel drives giving 4WD's a bad rap.

Its not necessarily the deep water driving but the way they are going about it. Hitting water at speed looks good for videos & photos but its not best practise and some thing has to give eventually.

I don't condone drink driving but i didn't see any. I've done plenty of trips up the river for a bbq with a mate or two on the back.
I think the biggest mistake they made was to post the video online, obviously out of the many hours they were out they only filmed the "full on" parts. I'm sure we have all been on a large trip like this where the odd guy gets a bit out of control trying to be bigger and better.
I fully agree that a couple of things on the video were dangerous but to call everyone on the group muppets and even talk of reporting people is a bit much.
I suppose everyone on this forum gets 35 inch tyres, big power and lockers so they can do charity runs with nanna and grandad on shingle roads?

Looks like fun to me, whats the problem?

Where I do try my best to tread as lightly as possible when I'm out and about by picking up all our rubbish and doing my best not to rip up accesses etc I would have to say I'd be right in there with these guys thrashing my truck until it broke.

Most of the comments on here just reinforce the reasons why I will most likely never join another club.

Is everybody on here seriously that conservative?

[quote="rangimotors
I don't condone drink driving but i didn't see any. [/quote]

Then take a better look or take the binkers off. at 2 min mark passenger is drinking but it the photo of the white Nissan ute around 4 minutes where driver is holding up a bottle to the camera. If that's not drink driving then what is?
The whole think has people with cans and bottles in their hands.

All I see is a bunch of guy's having fun.

Dave

I suppose everyone on this forum gets 35 inch tyres, big power and lockers so they can do charity runs with nanna and grandad on shingle roads?[/quote]

Amen to that.
I would say the pimped up the mall crawlers out there would only do shingle roads though.

Sorry for the double up I don't know how to delete the above one.

I quite liked the video haha.....

shit if thats concidered acceptable behaviour no wonder theres been so many problems with 4WD's down there


I've done more than my fair share of dumb and drunken shit over the years but I wouldnt be proud of acting like that in a public place and having it plastered all over youtube and the net

The problem that stares me in the face is people riding in vehicles unrestrained and the potential for a vehicle to get washed away, drowning people

The reason people do dangerous stuff is because it gives a buzz.

The most dangerous sport is mountain climbing and every year lots die. Quite a number again this year on Everest. Someone asked the climbers why do they do it. The answer was because it is there. The same thing applies to the Canterbury rivers. They do it for a buzz because they are there and they are not harming the public. If they die it is there problem. At least they are having fun .
Everyone to there own without the rules and PC bullshit is what I say as long as they don't harm others.

Cheers Richard

Yes but if someone gets hurt/killed the first thing that will be looked at is the 4wd side of things.

on one hand its great to see them out off the streets tearing it up where it doesn't matter. go hard !
but on the other hand if one 4x4 rolls down the river and people die, then all 4x4 owners cop the flak.

no different to many of the hunting "accidents".

zukmeista wrote:Yes but if someone gets hurt/killed the first thing that will be looked at is the 4wd side of things.

This is the whole trouble with world today. Kids are not allowed to climb trees or do anything in case they get hurt.

Boys are being turned into girls and no one has confidence to do any thing anymore. People need to push the limits for the world to move forward.

What is wrong with a few accidents ? People learn from them

The reason I don't belong to the Nelson 4 wheel drive club is because of the club rules and the restrictions the NZFWDA puts on me. I would rather do my own thing without having to answer to others.

Cheers Richard

Bulletproof wrote:

zukmeista wrote:Yes but if someone gets hurt/killed the first thing that will be looked at is the 4wd side of things.

This is the whole trouble with world today. Kids are not allowed to climb trees or do anything in case they get hurt.

Boys are being turned into girls and no one has confidence to do any thing anymore. People need to push the limits for the world to move forward.

What is wrong with a few accidents ? People learn from them

The reason I don't belong to the Nelson 4 wheel drive club is because of the club rules and the restrictions the NZFWDA puts on me. I would rather do my own thing without having to answer to others.

Cheers Richard

The thing(s) I moslty dont like about it is where they are doing it, that rivers a public place for multiple user groups its not a public racetrack for uncontroled racing and hooning, shit it looks like there struggling for shefield entries why dont that load all their heaps of junk onto trailers and snot the fark out of them there in a proper controled enviroment and then we can see how clever and skilled they really are at driving 4WD's, the other thing is all the drunken bums hanging off vehicles and all over the roofs while there tearing around, sure I did all that shit when I was young but I grew up and learnt your a long time dead and lifes short enough as it is.... they all look more like a bunch of show-off's than a bunch of 4WDer's that know what there doing and judging by the amount of sunk trucks I'd say thats all they were

[quote="Bulletproof

The reason I don't belong to the Nelson 4 wheel drive club is because of the club rules and the restrictions the NZFWDA puts on me. I would rather do my own thing without having to answer to others.

Cheers Richard[/quote]

Then that makes you one of the tossers that prompts Doc and local councils to shut off areas to the public, in particular other 4 wheel drivers that share you interest. Thanks mate

cheers
Greg

i saw that jet boat rip it up, rooster tail etc... hammering it down the river, sliding it round - quick call the nz jet boat association , "it a public place"...blah blah blah (looked pretty secluded, no other users around).
i rekon those jet boaters didnt mind shearing the river, "public place".

it didnt look like any other people / river users could even get to where they were so whats wrong with them beating their trucks and having a fun day out.

Not everyone enjoys the same type of 4wdn. I thought a 4wd was the type of vehicle you drove and when you have your own truck you get to drive what ever way you like?

tuk wrote:i saw that jet boat rip it up, rooster tail etc... hammering it down the river, sliding it round - quick call the nz jet boat association , "it a public place"...blah blah blah (looked pretty secluded, no other users around).
i rekon those jet boaters didnt mind shearing the river, "public place".

yeah I was waiting for someone to come out with that one mate


shit still sounds like theres some pretty different perceptions of whats acceptable driving behaviour and what isnt

tuk wrote:i saw that jet boat rip it up, rooster tail etc... hammering it down the river, sliding it round - quick call the nz jet boat association , "it a public place"...blah blah blah (looked pretty secluded, no other users around).
i rekon those jet boaters didnt mind shearing the river, "public place".

it didnt look like any other people / river users could even get to where they were so whats wrong with them beating their trucks and having a fun day out.

Not everyone enjoys the same type of 4wdn. I thought a 4wd was the type of vehicle you drove and when you have your own truck you get to drive what ever way you like?

You just don't get it do you .........??
You must be a muppet

You can own a car but you can't "drive it any way you like" and you certainly shouldn't be drinking and driving but you probably do. There are rules and regulations to try and keep the rest of us safe from muppets like you.

WRNGLR wrote:[quote="Bulletproof

The reason I don't belong to the Nelson 4 wheel drive club is because of the club rules and the restrictions the NZFWDA puts on me. I would rather do my own thing without having to answer to others.

Cheers Richard

Then that makes you one of the tossers that prompts Doc and local councils to shut off areas to the public, in particular other 4 wheel drivers that share you interest. Thanks mate

cheers
Greg[/quote]

I am an old age pensioner and I don't mind being called a tosser. I have access to more tracks that I have never driven yet than the association members will ever have because of responsible 4 wheeling. And I don't drink and drive.

As Marty said , he did those things when he was young and I was the same when I was young. The fact is that it is normal for young people to be like this. It is all part of growing up. We had our fun and now we are telling the young ones that it is not acceptable. This is hypercritical.

Events like the Sheffield mud plug are one day in a year which leaves another 50 weekends to fill in so they have to do something

Any way this is my final comment on the subject

Cheers Richard

tuk wrote:i saw that jet boat rip it up, rooster tail etc... hammering it down the river, sliding it round - quick call the nz jet boat association , "it a public place"...blah blah blah (looked pretty secluded, no other users around).
i rekon those jet boaters didnt mind shearing the river, "public place".

it didnt look like any other people / river users could even get to where they were so whats wrong with them beating their trucks and having a fun day out.

Not everyone enjoys the same type of 4wdn. I thought a 4wd was the type of vehicle you drove and when you have your own truck you get to drive what ever way you like?

So, which one of the 4wds were you in, in that video?

after my original post have been reading others comments and have to say i'm tending to agree with tuk and co.
I don't agree with aany sort of booze when plaaying with anything with wheels. I don't know how many people i know that have had serious injurys due to mixing the two. Even a couple that have died.
Other than that they arn't actually doing any damage to any one or thing.

No matter where you go or what you do there will always be people like that. they soon get bored and sick of spending money they don't have fixing their trucks just to go and break it again.

I have found the best way to deal with them is to encourage and show them ways to have fun and not break stuff. Challenging them to come out on some harder tracks seems to work.

Ralfie wrote:

tuk wrote:i saw that jet boat rip it up, rooster tail etc... hammering it down the river, sliding it round - quick call the nz jet boat association , "it a public place"...blah blah blah (looked pretty secluded, no other users around).
i rekon those jet boaters didnt mind shearing the river, "public place".

it didnt look like any other people / river users could even get to where they were so whats wrong with them beating their trucks and having a fun day out.

Not everyone enjoys the same type of 4wdn. I thought a 4wd was the type of vehicle you drove and when you have your own truck you get to drive what ever way you like?

You just don't get it do you .........??
You must be a muppet

You can own a car but you can't "drive it any way you like" and you certainly shouldn't be drinking and driving but you probably do. There are rules and regulations to try and keep the rest of us safe from muppets like you.

are you trolling?

Hell YEAH , take away the dangerous position that drivers and passengers put themselves in , it's all fun and games till some one get hurt or worse, I'm almost an OLD AGE pensioner and I would be there JANDALS and all, Got me Git-tar, slab of Woody's , a couple of Hoot-ers twisted , the SMOKER full and the Truck not sold ,

LET ME KNOW NEXT TIME,

FITZY.

Jerry wrote:Have done some investigating and this appears to be orgabised thru a group of mates. some people on this are members of a chch club nz4wda affiliated. i will be forwarding these details to the nzfwda pres for followup

y wud you do that for????
this goes on every year,
its not a new thing omfg

i have never dne this river to the beech run,dnt intrest me at all

the one good thing is that this is NOT RUN BY A CLUB!!!!!


Its a poker run ,most of them to do play a hand of poker

looks like mean fun.

Bunch of roudy idiots causing jeneral mayhem and havoc, what could be a better way of spending the wekend.

Personaly if I was taking part, I would WANT to be one of the "muppets" hanging on the back because if that shit goes under at leas I know i can bail in a hurry.. bugger the sober guy in the drivers seat wearing a seat belt, thats his problem

If a someone wants to drive as fast as they can into a river thats there choice just cos its not the "proper" way of doing it doesent mean he can't or shouldn't.. tell a young guy not to race his car and whats he gona do???? realy you expect him to listen?? did you listen to your parents at that age? as already said at least its out of the public eye.

The only issue I have is that the clip was made public for all the pc nancys to see and get there kill joy claws into. keep the fun stuff on the down low.
Then there is also the issue of public liability where DOC / GOVT has to take action when this stuff comes to light. what they dont know dont hurt em..

my 2c

DaveM wrote:

tuk wrote:i saw that jet boat rip it up, rooster tail etc... hammering it down the river, sliding it round - quick call the nz jet boat association , "it a public place"...blah blah blah (looked pretty secluded, no other users around).
i rekon those jet boaters didnt mind shearing the river, "public place".

it didnt look like any other people / river users could even get to where they were so whats wrong with them beating their trucks and having a fun day out.

Not everyone enjoys the same type of 4wdn. I thought a 4wd was the type of vehicle you drove and when you have your own truck you get to drive what ever way you like?

So, which one of the 4wds were you in, in that video?

dam it im in the north island or id be there, no nanas on that trip blowing their horn about how you should.......

Ralfie wrote:

tuk wrote:i saw that jet boat rip it up, rooster tail etc... hammering it down the river, sliding it round - quick call the nz jet boat association , "it a public place"...blah blah blah (looked pretty secluded, no other users around).
i rekon those jet boaters didnt mind shearing the river, "public place".

it didnt look like any other people / river users could even get to where they were so whats wrong with them beating their trucks and having a fun day out.

Not everyone enjoys the same type of 4wdn. I thought a 4wd was the type of vehicle you drove and when you have your own truck you get to drive what ever way you like?

You just don't get it do you .........??
You must be a muppet

You can own a car but you can't "drive it any way you like" and you certainly shouldn't be drinking and driving but you probably do. There are rules and regulations to try and keep the rest of us safe from muppets like you.

"stick to your graded shingle roads, stick with the p.c police" and youl stay safe from the "muppets" who like getting away from any moaners and actually have cheap fun.....