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Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:30 pm
by xj
Mudde1 wrote:Big wrote:For me No.. leave it to the areas(regions to advise due to different conditions, but you have to ask yourself who tears up the tracks more..guys on 31's trying hard or the guys on 35's just cruising- let alone motorbikes but thats a total different disscussion..)
my 2 cents worth.
That is pretty much NZFWDA attitude. It is important that all clubs do what is right for them in the environment they operate in. bad driving practices that damage the environment must be controlled, but how that is done is different for every region , club and trip. For example, the club I belong to has a ban on using Tyre chains, and has done so for many years (because of the damage it can do to the track), however I am aware that there are other clubs that require the carrying of tire chains on every trip. I think that both of these rules are totally reasonable and the correct thing to do. The difference is that each club is in a different environment. I am also aware of a club being formed where most trucks will have a minimum tire size of 40 inch. I am happy with that because they are only intending to do rock crawling. If NZFWDA were to introduce a tire size limit it is likely to drive away the very people we should be encouraging into the organization so that we can teach them reasonable driving behaviour. There are also Unimogs with camper bodies in NZFWDA. I don’t see any problem with them driving the Godly River, which would be banned if we have a tyre size limit, and that is plain stupid. We will be encouraging each club to look at what is right for them, and what they can do to reduce the environmental impact of the sport in their area, not making nationwide rules that are unworkable, and i understand that DoC will do the same. We will not be negotiating with Mr Waters. We exist to provide services and advice to our members, not to assist non members in personal crusades.
Tony Burgess
President NZFWDA
Thanks for taking the time to make those points Tony, and valid points they are. So that's a no from you then?
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:32 pm
by TJ
This won't be practical, nor logical. A Jimny on 33s versus a Patrol on 33 are two vastly different propositions.
What would be next to limit, number of cylinders? HP? Diesel only?
Where does it stop. Horses for courses is the only way. Vehicle owners taking responsibility to work with the landowners around what is best for the track. Heck, the same track can be dramatically different depending on the weather.
You can't regulate or legislate human stupidity.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:33 pm
by xj
So thats a no from you too TJ? All good.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:36 pm
by xj
Yes, lets see where it goes
Smurf
XJ
Klompy
Smokey
Crazybustard
Pressy
Rokhound
DR_PC
Yeti
tara13
playing in the ditch
No, its a waste of time, and anyway I dont think there should be a limit anyway
Coily
Mudlva
anonymous via PM
mudtroll
Callum007
Bulletproof
CLUMZ1
TJ
Mudde1
big
wopass
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:48 pm
by mudlva
Hi XJ can you edit and spell my name as mudlva as there is another user called mudluva and we/i wouldnt want people to get confused
Cheers mudlva
Rohan Hooker
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:12 pm
by xj
mudlva wrote:Hi XJ can you edit and spell my name as mudlva as there is another user called mudluva and we/i wouldnt want people to get confused
Cheers mudlva
Rohan Hooker
Whoops sorry Rohan.
Ive suggested earlier that folks can copy and paste and include thier position under the relevant yay or nay... then i a) wont miss anyone and b) the names will be correct.
Or not
Good to see some controlled conversation eminating from this.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:00 pm
by crazyclark31
Mudde1 wrote:Big wrote:For me No.. leave it to the areas(regions to advise due to different conditions, but you have to ask yourself who tears up the tracks more..guys on 31's trying hard or the guys on 35's just cruising- let alone motorbikes but thats a total different disscussion..)
my 2 cents worth.
That is pretty much NZFWDA attitude. It is important that all clubs do what is right for them in the environment they operate in. bad driving practices that damage the environment must be controlled, but how that is done is different for every region , club and trip. For example, the club I belong to has a ban on using Tyre chains, and has done so for many years (because of the damage it can do to the track), however I am aware that there are other clubs that require the carrying of tire chains on every trip. I think that both of these rules are totally reasonable and the correct thing to do. The difference is that each club is in a different environment. I am also aware of a club being formed where most trucks will have a minimum tire size of 40 inch. I am happy with that because they are only intending to do rock crawling. If NZFWDA were to introduce a tire size limit it is likely to drive away the very people we should be encouraging into the organization so that we can teach them reasonable driving behaviour. There are also Unimogs with camper bodies in NZFWDA. I don’t see any problem with them driving the Godly River, which would be banned if we have a tyre size limit, and that is plain stupid. We will be encouraging each club to look at what is right for them, and what they can do to reduce the environmental impact of the sport in their area, not making nationwide rules that are unworkable, and i understand that DoC will do the same. We will not be negotiating with Mr Waters. We exist to provide services and advice to our members, not to assist non members in personal crusades.
Tony Burgess
President NZFWDA
Thank you tony its good to see your very good and unbaiased opinoin on here. Even though i'm not a member of your organisation you have my support and this kind of veiw goes a long way in getting myself and others to join to help add more support.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:19 pm
by wopass
errm...
you think a discussion on this little forum is going to change anything??
really??
ill drive my truck where and when, with whatever sized tyres, whenever i bloody feel like it.
not allowed to because a bunch on ORE said i shouldnt??
really??
no offence but it just another reason i hardly come here any more.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:32 pm
by Bulletproof
wopass wrote:errm...
you think a discussion on this little forum is going to change anything??
really??
ill drive my truck where and when, with whatever sized tyres, whenever i bloody feel like it.
not allowed to because a bunch on ORE said i shouldnt??
really??
no offence but it just another reason i hardly come here any more.
X2Cheers Richard
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:43 pm
by mudlva
Bulletproof wrote:wopass wrote:errm...
you think a discussion on this little forum is going to change anything??
really??
ill drive my truck where and when, with whatever sized tyres, whenever i bloody feel like it.
not allowed to because a bunch on ORE said i shouldnt??
really??
no offence but it just another reason i hardly come here any more.
X2Cheers Richard
And its the problem with all volinteer organisation the older and more experainced people throw their hands up and walk away from the newer members removing the balance that attracked them to the place originally then commenting about how everything is falling apart
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:26 pm
by xj
That's be a fairly emphatic NO from woppitty then!!
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:04 pm
by QUADRACER
No from me also, have a comp truck and will be told when not able to compete on a farm or park,
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:22 pm
by LOLYF
NO
that is all.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:51 pm
by Heath
Yes for me.
Heath
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:54 pm
by Tarmac
Yes I wld like a discussion on size, no one said there should be a limit from this side of the fence as I understand it - just a poll looking to discuss it. I feel the motive here is to have a balanced "argument" to take to those who make decisions (local gov etc) as sooner or later it will go before the powers that be. I have no probs lobbying for the 37 - 44.... age group
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:09 pm
by lincooln
no tyre size limit please
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:12 pm
by madlux
No from me aswell, what a joke.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:47 pm
by xj
Yes, lets see where it goes
Smurf
XJ
Klompy
Smokey
Crazybustard
Pressy
Rokhound
DR_PC
Yeti
tara13
playing in the ditch
Heath
Tarmac
No, its a waste of time, and anyway I dont think there should be a limit anyway
Coily
Mudlva
anonymous via PM
mudtroll
Callum007
Bulletproof
CLUMZ1
TJ
Mudde1
big
wopass
QUADRACER
LOLYF
lincooln
madlux
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:49 pm
by ClassicCruiserSpares
Thats a "no" for me also.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:52 pm
by mudlva
xj wrote:Yes, lets see where it goes
Smurf
XJ
Klompy
Smokey
Crazybustard
Pressy
Rokhound
DR_PC
Yeti
tara13
playing in the ditch
Heath
Tarmac
13
No, its a waste of time, and anyway I dont think there should be a limit anyway
Coily
Mudlva
anonymous via PM
mudtroll
Callum007
Bulletproof
CLUMZ1
TJ
Mudde1
big
wopass
QUADRACER
LOLYF
lincooln
madlux
ClassicCruiserSpares
16
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:31 pm
by DaveM
Not that a poll will stop anyone from discussing if they wish to do so, but I vote yes (unless it's going to get childish...)
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:10 pm
by wopass
DaveM wrote:Not that a poll will stop anyone from discussing if they wish to do so, but I vote yes (unless it's going to get childish...)
you are refering to the other tyre size thread??
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:09 am
by MNC
No.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:02 am
by kbjj
Good on those that want to debate it, but I'm a 'no'
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:33 am
by DaveM
wopass wrote:DaveM wrote:Not that a poll will stop anyone from discussing if they wish to do so, but I vote yes (unless it's going to get childish...)
you are refering to the other tyre size thread??
How did you know?
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:42 am
by xj
Yes, lets see where it goes
Smurf
XJ
Klompy
Smokey
Crazybustard
Pressy
Rokhound
DR_PC
Yeti
tara13
playing in the ditch
Heath
Tarmac
13
No, its a waste of time, and anyway I dont think there should be a limit anyway
Coily
Mudlva
anonymous via PM
mudtroll
Callum007
Bulletproof
CLUMZ1
TJ
Mudde1
big
wopass
QUADRACER
LOLYF
lincooln
madlux
kbjj
MNC
ClassicCruiserSpares
19
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:54 am
by gards
No from me as the land owner of the area i am in at the time can tell me if he has a tire size limit.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:22 am
by UBZ
yes there should be discussion , as obviously it is a hot subject .
There are only really 2 main types of track in NZ , gravel road /or hardcore
Would be nice to see some easier tracks left alone by the hardcore group for the shineys /campers /beginners to use.
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:04 pm
by Swamped
Yes to discussion, provided that is what would occur.
I think there should be no limit though so your yes no list headings don't really suit. I thought the 'no' list just meant discussion is a waste of time??
Re: Poll on Wether to have a discussion on tyre sizes.
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:34 pm
by rangimotors
totally agree that there should be a mature discussion about the subject. When two groups are at total oposites debate and comprimise is the only way to get anywhere. No point chucking your head in the sand/throwing mud or you may find one day we are all limited to trailer queens..
If you think there is only one guy in NZ who wants a tyre size limit you are sadly mistaken. There is a huge section of this "clean green" country of ours that sees a truck driving around with 36 simexs and a v8 and pictures the destruction of our land.
discussion, education and comprimise is what i think is needed.
Dave.