lifts laws to be inforced

[lincooln]

Also just wondering how will this card stop huge boderline unsafe lifts?

you'll still have to have any modification certified ie: a lift so its the same process as before you still have to comply and pass lvvta certification

I get that, But we were told that some certifiers were getting scared about certing these big lifts and wanted to make them safer, or words to that affect, so this card doesn't really make the lift any safer, just says if you have a need for it or not.

[Sadam_Husain]

I get that, But we were told that some certifiers were getting scared about certing these big lifts and wanted to make them safer, or words to that affect, so this card doesn't really make the lift any safer, just says if you have a need for it or not.

its easy if the certifier dosent think its safe or it wont pass the tests he wont pass it

[lincooln]

its easy if the certifier dosent think its safe or it wont pass the tests he wont pass it

exactly, so the need for the card is?

I guess its better to have this than no lift over 100mm at all

[Sadam_Husain]

its easy if the certifier dosent think its safe or it wont pass the tests he wont pass it

exactly, so the need for the card is?

I guess its better to have this than no lift at all

not sure if your taking the piss or not but the card is going to be required to cert a combined lift above 100mm

[lincooln]

that was what I was meaning, my bad

[LOLYF]

exactly, so the need for the card is?

Simply to get the wannabe's in their 8" lifted surfs that never go 4wheelin off the roads.

No card to say it gets used for purpose...No WOF

Shouldn't worry any real 4 wheeler for 2 reasons...they use their vehicles for what there built for and they probably don't have a stupid big "look at me" lift

[Drurban]

WOW 31 pages of reading is doing my head in .

When is it going to end

[lincooln]

oh I agree, the idiots need to be off the road, but what about the genuine guys who 4 wheel but are not in clubs? and does the club have to be NZFWDA affiliated? I would say so, so what about the guys in the south island. Will a club such as kiwi4x4 be alright?

[lincooln]

problem with me is I can see both sides of teh coin equally easy.

Just trying to find a middle ground is hard.

So back to my idea with just having to attend a course on how it is best to operaste such a lifted vehicle may be more relevant than an authority card. No need for joining a club, but people will learn responsible driving behavior and be safer on the roads. that is what its about after all.

[LOLYF]

but what about the genuine guys who 4 wheel but are not in clubs?

They could always start their own club...The "I hate clubs 4 wheelers club" has a nice ring to it

[LOLYF]

Another idea, every 6 months you have to turn up to get your warrant covered in mud!!!...No mud No WOF

[xj]

Shouldn't worry any real 4 wheeler for 2 reasons...they use their vehicles for what there built for and they probably don't have a stupid big "look at me" lift

Ummm, so to be a "REAL" 4-wheeler you have to be part of the NZFWDA?

It should worry all those who arent remotly interested in getting rail-roaded into an organisation they dont want any fekn part of.

If someone wants to lift their truck, and the WOF man says its ok, and the Certifier says its ok, who has the right to tell the owner where they can or cant drive, or wether theyre capable or not.... they can drive their 10-foot hilux wherever they (legally of course) want including the supermarket carpark or to soccer with the kids... its got f - all to do with the NZFWDA or anyone else.

[Sadam_Husain]

So back to my idea with just having to attend a course on how it is best to operaste such a lifted vehicle may be more relevant than an authority card. No need for joining a club, but people will learn responsible driving behavior and be safer on the roads. that is what its about after all.

yep probably mate but thats a side issue the govt is changing the law and nobody going to stop what there intending to do

shit always changes and your not going to stop it, when I was a young fella you could get and old ford anglia and pull the motor out on the weekend and chop most of the firewall out and stick a 350 chev and an auto in it and go down a pass a wof on Monday morning so long as the lights went and the brakes worked, things have moved a long way from there and they'll keep on moving

[lincooln]

shit always changes and your not going to stop it, when I was a young fella you could get and old ford anglia and pull the motor out on the weekend and chop most of the firewall out and stick a 350 chev and an auto in it and go down a pass a wof on Monday morning so long as the lights went and the brakes worked, things have moved a long way from there and they'll keep on moving

So true, problem with our society today. We keep thinking shit has to progress. Some things are better left alone.

[hippy_]

A logbook and entering or going on a couple of club trips a year is probably going to be included also.

Ok, what if the NZFWDA doesnt have events in my area?? I then have to pay to travel/accommodation to an event, just so I can have this card and use my fully cert'ed truck, as my daily/off road vehicle??

Is this fair on people who live outside the main centers??

Or is the NZFWDA going to tour around all of NZ and run these events??

what I dont understand about all these sorts of posts is why is everything the NZFWDA's fault, its NZTA thats changing the lift laws not NZFWDA

Ok so I used the wrong guys, how this...........

Ok, what if the NZTA or whom ever is going to oversee this new card system doesnt have events in my area?? I then have to pay to travel/accommodation to an event, just so I can have this card and use my fully cert'ed truck, as my daily/off road vehicle??

Is this fair on people who live outside the main centers??

Or is the NZTA or whom ever is going to oversee this new card system going to tour around all of NZ and run these events??

Is that better Dad?

[Sadam_Husain]

Ok so I used the wrong guys, how this...........

Ok, what if the NZTA or whom ever is going to oversee this new card system doesnt have events in my area?? I then have to pay to travel/accommodation to an event, just so I can have this card and use my fully cert'ed truck, as my daily/off road vehicle??

Is this fair on people who live outside the main centers??

Or is the NZTA or whom ever is going to oversee this new card system going to tour around all of NZ and run these events??

Is that better Dad?

your existing fully certed truck is sweet theres no change there

it dosent sound like you've quite got a grasp of above, NZTA is changing the laws about maximum lift heights which will probably be capped at 100mm when the changes come into affect, thats the govt doing that not anyone else, if you know some way of stopping the govt from changing laws that affect us please let everyone know then we can get this thread closed off

the NZFWDA is negociating through the authority card system an exemption for members to be able to exceed the maximum legal lift, they dont have to do this but they are doing it because they recognise there are people that have requirements for lifts higher than 100mm, they will only be able to issue cards to their members because they only have a mandate to represent their members not the general public, if you dont belong to them they cant represent you

if you dont want a lift exemption or dont want to meet the requirements of an authority card you dont have to get one you can just stay within the max proposed 100mm lift.... its simple, you'll be fully legal, dont have to pay 25 bucks for a card and dont have to attend any events and dont have to be a member of a NZFWDA affiliated club

this bit isnt directed at you Blair
if you want to exceed the proposed max 100mm lift and dont want to obtain an authority card then tough thats what the laws going to be theres no point bleating on about your rights and the NZFWDA and anyone else thats what the law will be and no one on here can change it even if light trucks on the road have a higher COG and are less stable than your 100mm+ lifted truck you might as well go and bleat in the ear of your MP at his electoral office the're the jokers that make up and pass all the laws


Rant over and no I dont represent NZFWDA

[LOLYF]

Shouldn't worry any real 4 wheeler for 2 reasons...they use their vehicles for what there built for and they probably don't have a stupid big "look at me" lift

Ummm, so to be a "REAL" 4-wheeler you have to be part of the NZFWDA?

It should worry all those who arent remotly interested in getting rail-roaded into an organisation they dont want any fekn part of.

If someone wants to lift their truck, and the WOF man says its ok, and the Certifier says its ok, who has the right to tell the owner where they can or cant drive, or wether theyre capable or not.... they can drive their 10-foot hilux wherever they (legally of course) want including the supermarket carpark or to soccer with the kids... its got f - all to do with the NZFWDA or anyone else.

Can you read?
where did I mention the NZFWDA?

[LOLYF]

Ok so I used the wrong guys, how this...........

Ok, what if the NZTA or whom ever is going to oversee this new card system doesnt have events in my area?? I then have to pay to travel/accommodation to an event, just so I can have this card and use my fully cert'ed truck, as my daily/off road vehicle??

Is this fair on people who live outside the main centers??

Or is the NZTA or whom ever is going to oversee this new card system going to tour around all of NZ and run these events??

Is that better Dad?

your existing fully certed truck is sweet theres no change there

it dosent sound like you've quite got a grasp of above, NZTA is changing the laws about maximum lift heights which will probably be capped at 100mm when the changes come into affect, thats the govt doing that not anyone else, if you know some way of stopping the govt from changing laws that affect us please let everyone know then we can get this thread closed off

the NZFWDA is negociating through the authority card system an exemption for members to be able to exceed the maximum legal lift, they dont have to do this but they are doing it because they recognise there are people that have requirements for lifts higher than 100mm, they will only be able to issue cards to their members because they only have a mandate to represent their members not the general public, if you dont belong to them they cant represent you

if you dont want a lift exemption or dont want to meet the requirements of an authority card you dont have to get one you can just stay within the max proposed 100mm lift.... its simple, you'll be fully legal, dont have to pay 25 bucks for a card and dont have to attend any events and dont have to be a member of a NZFWDA affiliated club

this bit isnt directed at you Blair
if you want to exceed the proposed max 100mm lift and dont want to obtain an authority card then tough thats what the laws going to be theres no point bleating on about your rights and the NZFWDA and anyone else thats what the law will be and no one on here can change it even if light trucks on the road have a higher COG and are less stable than your 100mm+ lifted truck you might as well go and bleat in the ear of your MP at his electoral office the're the jokers that make up and pass all the laws


Rant over and no I dont represent NZFWDA

Well said Sadam,a perfect explanation. Now if only everyone could read that and get it into their heads this would all be over.....yeh right

[Bulletproof]

No one has answered my question on how many 4 wheel drivers are affected by this law change.

My Hilux that people say looks high has only a 50mm lift . In the Nelson club most are not as high as me.

I dont see the new law affecting many trucks at all.

Cheers Richard

[DaveM]

No one has answered my question on how many 4 wheel drivers are affected by this law change.

My Hilux that people say looks high has only a 50mm lift . In the Nelson club most are not as high as me.

I dont see the new law affecting many trucks at all.

Cheers Richard

Now, if they measure the whole vehicle, do you not run a 2" suspension lift, plus 35's, and have the deck raised another 2" which would put you over the 4" limit? Question is more out of interest to see whether you class your 50mm lift off the tyre and suspension, which most wouldn't, and how/where measurements will be taken on the body when this goes ahead.

[DaveM]

Simply to get the wannabe's in their 8" lifted surfs that never go 4wheelin off the roads.

No card to say it gets used for purpose...No WOF

Shouldn't worry any real 4 wheeler for 2 reasons...they use their vehicles for what there built for and they probably don't have a stupid big "look at me" lift

While I find it amusing to see vehicles with high lifts that obviously never go off road, I see a lot more "wannabe's" with modified V8's or Jappa's that will never see a race track

[xj]

Shouldn't worry any real 4 wheeler for 2 reasons...they use their vehicles for what there built for and they probably don't have a stupid big "look at me" lift

Ummm, so to be a "REAL" 4-wheeler you have to be part of the NZFWDA?

It should worry all those who arent remotly interested in getting rail-roaded into an organisation they dont want any fekn part of.

If someone wants to lift their truck, and the WOF man says its ok, and the Certifier says its ok, who has the right to tell the owner where they can or cant drive, or wether theyre capable or not.... they can drive their 10-foot hilux wherever they (legally of course) want including the supermarket carpark or to soccer with the kids... its got f - all to do with the NZFWDA or anyone else.

Can you read?
where did I mention the NZFWDA?

Yeah I can read fine. And no you didnt mention the NZFWDA.
Logic would suggest that having "no worrys" about complying with the suggested new "rules" by default means joining the NZFWDA doesnt it. Or is there some way that you know about that you can keep your 100mm + lift and not join the NZFWDA in the future?

[Bulletproof]

How do the authorities determine what is a 100mm lift ?

Do they have a list of all factory specs for all trucks to use as a base height ?

Cheers Richard

[datsunsafari]

but what about the genuine guys who 4 wheel but are not in clubs?

They could always start their own club...The "I hate clubs 4 wheelers club" has a nice ring to it

anti club club

[datsunsafari]

could even start a "winge about crap that doesnt even afect me"club

[wjw]

So a re-cap as I'm seeing it

NZTA are changing the regs to limit 4x4 lifts to 100mm

NZFWDA is negociating an exemption via the Auth Card system for their members



Concidering how many people seem to be venting and are upset at 4x4 lifts getting capped at 100mm I dont see how its a problem that the NZFWDA are getting off their arses to obtain exemptions for their member clubs?

Also how many people have more than 100mm lift?

[Sadam_Husain]

Also how many people have more than 100mm lift?

wouldnt have a clue but I think I could count all the ones I know on one or two hands so proportionaly probably a very small percentage

[UBZ]

or the "bend over and take it up the arse club" .....

This does not affect me , none of my trucks are over the threshold , I am a member of a club and have been for years , not that I have ever seen any benefits of belonging to the association , I don't even get a sticker or newsletters sent to me ..... If i needed a card it wont be an issue to get one...
The money is not an issue for me , peanuts really in the scheme of things.

However .......

As I understand it .... there has been/will be no actual change in LAW by NZTA.
What is happening is a change in the interpretation of the current laws by the LVVTA... done in consultation with the NZ4WDA, under the pre-tense of road safety . Implying that this is not being driven from a government level.

Therefore

What is the motivation behind these changes in interpretation?
As it has already been done to death in this thread , these changes will do nothing to actually improve road safely ... That I can find, there have been no statistical studies done, no reports to government , no consultation done with stakeholders except NZ4WDA (ie federated farmers , Combined clubs ,general clubs or the public, etc ,etc .)
If this had not been leaked onto the forums, The General public would not even know that this was going on .

Know, not surprisingly, it seems that only organisation that was consulted, is the only organisation that will be allowed exemptions , effectively creating a monopoly with financial and political lobbying benefits excluding any other stakeholder organisation ..

Had this all been done in an open public manner instead of a back room deal , myself and many others would have no issue with these changes ... However the whole situation stinks of ulterior motives , leaving me with little faith in the organisation that puts itself forward as the sole purveyor of my interests as a 4wder in NZ.
SPARC debacle anyone?
Where does it stop ? a alcohol / drug / psych test every year for your authority card? prerequisites are an open book , that could be changed at any time.
What about vechiles with existing certifications?
What about scratch built vechiles ?

The only state that I know of that actually enforced a maximum lift law was Queensland in Australia , which are now being amended to allow larger lifts through a certification process .

I will shut up know, as most seem quite happy to be shafted , but take off the horse blinders and open your eyes people.. there is more going on than we are being told..
Road safety , meh what a load of BS

[DaveM]

Also how many people have more than 100mm lift?

wouldnt have a clue but I think I could count all the ones I know on one or two hands so proportionaly probably a very small percentage

Could be more than you think. 80mm suspension lift, 35's, you are over. 2" suspension/2" body, 33's you are over.

[Sadam_Husain]

Also how many people have more than 100mm lift?

wouldnt have a clue but I think I could count all the ones I know on one or two hands so proportionaly probably a very small percentage

Could be more than you think. 80mm suspension lift, 35's, you are over. 2" suspension/2" body, 33's you are over.

Yep could be but you could also look at it the other way what percentage of 4WDs dont have a 100mm lift and that would be most of the 4WDs on the road