lifts laws to be inforced

[tallsam66]

So if I have to pay for my card then roll my lifted truck can I sue the card supplier.

From what I can see, the card is issued as evidence that you actually use your vehicle for it's "intended purpose", and will have little to do with making sure it, or you are safe (of course if you drive like a muppet on trips, that may be reason to not issue another?).

Was it mentioned at the meeting what period they are looking at issuing cards for, and what criteria has to be met to be issued one?

From what ive heard they will only last at year that way NZ4WD ass can bend you over each & every year to remove your hard earned cash $$$$$$$$$$

[DaveM]

I size doesn't fit all.

Thats a very good point. Now i'm going to say this quietly so a certain someone dosen't hear, but what about a staggered lift allowance?

ie small trucks can have 3" lift medium trucks 5" lift and large trucks 7" lifts?

after all a suzuki with a 7" lift is stupid but a chevy silverado with a 7" lift is still pretty safe.

I doubt that would happen, this new card system will have nothing to do with safety, but is there only to prove that you use the vehicle for its intended purpose. The LVC still decides whether a lift is safe for a particular vehicle.

[LOLYF]

I size doesn't fit all.

Thats a very good point. Now i'm going to say this quietly so a certain someone dosen't hear, but what about a staggered lift allowance?

ie small trucks can have 3" lift medium trucks 5" lift and large trucks 7" lifts?

after all a suzuki with a 7" lift is stupid but a chevy silverado with a 7" lift is still pretty safe.

I doubt that would happen, this new card system will have nothing to do with safety, but is there only to prove that you use the vehicle for its intended purpose. The LVC still decides whether a lift is safe for a particular vehicle. How or why the intended purpose changes (or needs to be proven)after 4" lift, I'm not too sure.

yeh I realise it would make things to difficult to manage but would be nice eh.

May be the 4" limit is something to do with most aftermarket lift kits being that size or less. lifts over 4" are quit often a bit more custom.

Thinking farmers etc probably only run bolt in 2-3" systems so may not effect them?

personally i feel the 4" limit may be a little low but i guess we could put a submission in to NZ4WDA to change it as it's not set in stone yet?

Most people apposed to the rules seem more interested in whinging on here than doing something about it though

[Sadam_Husain]

Funny thing is, mine still handles way better than the work cruiser with a 2" lift and rancho's. That's where all these stupid rules fall over...a 4" lift in a Landrover may be bloody dangerous, but in surfs and terrano's isn't that big of a deal. I size doesn't fit all.

yeah mate nobody said the law isnt an ass , you can get your big floppy piece of junk thats too high and unstable to pass certification with or without an auth card that you arent allowed to drive on the roads and still go and shove it on a car trailer putting it up another 12 or 14 inches higher (and now also with significantly less braking) and legaly go stropping around the countryside at 90kph with it hanging off the back of your ute swaying all over the place

the lift restrictions are going to be implemented whether anyone likes it or not so all the pages and pages of grizzling and moaning and venting and ranting thats been going on in here has little or no constructive input and isnt going to change anything you can fight it and achieve nothing or use the exemption process their putting in place

shit I dont want to give them any ideas car trailers with 4x4's loaded up on them might be the next thing in their sights

[DaveM]

yeh I realise it would make things to difficult to manage but would be nice eh.

May be the 4" limit is something to do with most aftermarket lift kits being that size or less. lifts over 4" are quit often a bit more custom.

Thinking farmers etc probably only run bolt in 2-3" systems so may not effect them?

personally i feel the 4" limit may be a little low but i guess we could put a submission in to NZ4WDA to change it as it's not set in stone yet?

Most people apposed to the rules seem more interested in whinging on here than doing something about it though

Quite surprised tyres never came into it either. I just can't see the reason for the card, when the LVC process remains the same. Not saying it's the NZ4WDA, but whoever came up with this as a quick fix, hasn't thought about the real issues IMO. If it was for safety, and their reasoning was sound, I'd back it without hesitation. At this point, while I disagree with it, it's not going to affect me too much. If I end up needing a card, so be it.

[datsunsafari]

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[DEATH_INC]

Most people apposed to the rules seem more interested in whinging on here than doing something about it though

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Blockade the motorway?

[Bulletproof]

What you guys need is a real 4wheel drive . it was advertised in 1948 as the "go anywhere vehicle"

It didn't need a 100mm lift to tow a plow a paddock , Saw wood, mow grass, pump water.





And worth about 10 times more than my lifted Hilux


I personally think this whole topic on lifts is not achieving anything . But it is entertaining

Cheers Richard

[klompy]

I think its funny to,but it just goes to show how complete twats can go about making rules and laws for no good reason other than a dollar.

[Twodiffs]

The question is - will we as forum/4wd club members be able to continue to use our trucks (low volume certed and legally) in the manner in which we have been able to without restriction!!

If your trucks already certed then you have nothing to worry about, this has only been stated about 100 times so far

Where did I mention that I didn't know that

The point I made above relates to the fact that this could potentially lead to aftermarket fitments other than suspension lifts. We have little in the way of restriction at the moment other than access issues, anyone who is happy to be right royally rogered for forced membership of an organisation, then pay for the card...then be expected to pay those same fees every year thereafter can do so.

Let the powers that be publish statistics from Land Transport that show the incidence of vehicle accidents for 4wd's with raised suspension upwards of and greater than 100mm AND vehicles with suspension modifications in general (lowered cars etc). Those stats will undoubetly speak for themselves I dare say.

[Sadam_Husain]

where the fawks muzzaduck when you need some help to back up an agrument

[xj]

where the fawks muzzaduck when you need some help to back up an agrument

Banned, judging by the comment made here - http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =499780966

[Sadam_Husain]

Banned, judging by the comment made here - http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =499780966

yeah I seen that the other day.... good to see he's still got a bit of humour after the debarcle on here

[DaveM]

where the fawks muzzaduck when you need some help to back up an agrument

Banned, judging by the comment made here - http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =499780966

Gotta love how someone who shows a difference of opinion against other members can get banned
Have most local clubs had meetings about the new rule changes?

[xj]

What you guys need is a real 4wheel drive . it was advertised in 1948 as the "go anywhere vehicle"


Cheers Richard

richard, thats only due to noone having 35s in 1948. really gotta do something about them crazy 35's.
muzzas a decent bloke from the dealings ive had with him in the past, perhaps his passion on the disputed topic got the better of him a little.

anyway, onwards and upwards.

[hippy_]

Nah from what I understand they will be measuring the lift from the centre of the hub to the bottom of the guard instead of measuring from the ground to the bottom of the guard so that suggests to me any increase in tyre size wont be included in the allowable 100mm lift

Its always been from the hub centre to the lip of the guard Tyres wont be included in the 100mm limit only suspension and body lifts. If you cut the guards then it will be up to you to prove where the unmodified lip was.

On my cert plate it states a lift of only 260 odd mm +/- 5% which Ive measured and its from the top of the tyre to the bottom of the guard, which after all Ive read on here about these new rules and stuff, must mean my cert guy has done my measurements wrong?? Or is it right??? Or what??

Im totally confused now..........

[vvilly]

try from center of axle to top of your wheel arch

[imsohi]

Nah from what I understand they will be measuring the lift from the centre of the hub to the bottom of the guard instead of measuring from the ground to the bottom of the guard so that suggests to me any increase in tyre size wont be included in the allowable 100mm lift

Its always been from the hub centre to the lip of the guard Tyres wont be included in the 100mm limit only suspension and body lifts. If you cut the guards then it will be up to you to prove where the unmodified lip was.

On my cert plate it states a lift of only 260 odd mm +/- 5% which Ive measured and its from the top of the tyre to the bottom of the guard, which after all Ive read on here about these new rules and stuff, must mean my cert guy has done my measurements wrong?? Or is it right??? Or what??

Im totally confused now..........

To me that is wrong and i would look at getting it changed asap as buy certing it at that height the tyres would need to be cert'd aswel and at 260mm fitting an inch tyre bigger or smaller would put you on the limit of your +/- 5% let alone going from 31-33 tyre or vice verca would void your cert plate and any insurance you have. I have had the police measure this once on my hilux in 4 years. All my measurements have been taken from the centre of the hub to the top of the wheel arch.

[hippy_]

Just when out and measured, its 635mm from the center of the hub to the bottom of the guard.

Where do i find the info on this, so I can take it to the guy who gave me the cert???

[vvilly]

what if you got cert with 31" just road worth road tires. then went and brought some 31" MT's will that be more than you +/-5%

[tallsam66]

I wonder what other little gems NZ4WD Ass is planning ...think of how many people would be screwed up if they also decided there would be an upper level on engine power upgrades???
At present you need to get a cert for a 10% upgrade ...how many people would be effected if they put an upper limit on of say 50% over stock.

I have no information they might be planning this, but as they will be able to issue an Auth card for anything ...this would be an awesome money maker for them !!
Putting an upper limit on Suspension lifts is the thin edge of the wedge.

[Ralfie]

I wonder what other little gems NZ4WD Ass is planning ...think of how many people would be screwed up if they also decided there would be an upper level on engine power upgrades???
At present you need to get a cert for a 10% upgrade ...how many people would be effected if they put an upper limit on of say 50% over stock.

I have no information they might be planning this, but as they will be able to issue an Auth card for anything ...this would be an awesome money maker for them !!
Putting an upper limit on Suspension lifts is the thin edge of the wedge.

From what I have read of your posts you seem to have a complete dislike and distrust for the NZFWDA. I have no idea why you do this but this anger towards them is clouding your judgement and thinking of this topic.

You refuse to look at the topic objectively, instead condemn the NZFWDA for being proactive pending rules changes.

What ever your problem is leave it at home stop been such a whinger.

[Sadam_Husain]

From what I have read of your posts you seem to have a complete dislike and distrust for the NZFWDA. I have no idea why you do this but this anger towards them is clouding your judgement and thinking of this topic.

You refuse to look at the topic objectively, instead condemn the NZFWDA for being proactive pending rules changes.

What ever your problem is leave it at home stop been such a whinger.

and to add to that thats why NZFWDA gave up on trying to post information and answer questions way back in this thread, when you read through the 36 pages of ranting, venting, bagging and accusations why would you bother trying to deal with a bunch of people with chips on their shoulders, at the end of the day that sort of behaviour makes the forum users the losers coz we no longer get the supply of information from the horses mouth coming through here

[tallsam66]

From what I have read of your posts you seem to have a complete dislike and distrust for the NZFWDA. I have no idea why you do this but this anger towards them is clouding your judgement and thinking of this topic.

You refuse to look at the topic objectively, instead condemn the NZFWDA for being proactive pending rules changes.

What ever your problem is leave it at home stop been such a whinger.

and to add to that thats why NZFWDA gave up on trying to post information and answer questions way back in this thread, when you read through the 36 pages of ranting, venting, bagging and accusations why would you bother trying to deal with a bunch of people with chips on their shoulders, at the end of the day that sort of behaviour makes the forum users the losers coz we no longer get the supply of information from the horses mouth coming through here

Yes i do have a distrust for NZ4WD from what i have read they are the ones who approached NZTA with the idea of bringing in a maximum limit of body & suspention lifts.
What other limits are they intending to bring in??
Do they have a mandate from there own membership to do these changes??
Why hasnt NZ4WD told us what heights they have recommended to NZTA ... a recommendation they made over 12 months ago??

What do they have to hide????

Why would an organisation do that unless it had a motive.
The current cert system works very well & they seem to be suggesting that to make the system better they need to be able to issue cards to make vehicles safer.... cant see it making any difference myself ....but like saying that since you have a drivers licence in your pocket you wont get killed on the roads ...YEAH RIGHT !!!

[Sadam_Husain]

What other limits are they intending to bring in??
Do they have a mandate from there own membership to do these changes??

As part of and a member of the LVVTA panel that is one of their roles Trev and if we dont have LVVTA then there is no modifying and certifying vehicles

[tallsam66]

What other limits are they intending to bring in??
Do they have a mandate from there own membership to do these changes??

As part of and a member of the LVVTA panel that is one of their roles Trev and if we dont have LVVTA then there is no modifying and certifying vehicles

Im all for the cert system it works very well...but the auth card is not needed for lift heights ..if a vehicle is safe to be driven it will pass the cert ..if not it will fail & not be allowed on the road....simple as that !!

[Sadam_Husain]

Im all for the cert system it works very well...but the auth card is not needed for lift heights ..if a vehicle is safe to be driven it will pass the cert ..if not it will fail & not be allowed on the road....simple as that !!

yep I dont disagree with that at all but its going to change and it dosent matter if its driven by NZFWDA, LTSA, NZTA, LVVTA, LVVTA TRP, the police, local Govt, John Key or anyone else it's going to happen one way or the other thats just the natural progression complience takes

[tallsam66]

Im all for the cert system it works very well...but the auth card is not needed for lift heights ..if a vehicle is safe to be driven it will pass the cert ..if not it will fail & not be allowed on the road....simple as that !!

yep I dont disagree with that at all but its going to change and it dosent matter if its driven by NZFWDA, LTSA, NZTA, LVVTA, LVVTA TRP, the police, local Govt, John Key or anyone else it's going to happen one way or the other thats just the natural progression complience takes

Brilliant that you agree with me that the Auth Card isnt needed ...now we just need more to follow your lead.

[Sadam_Husain]

[Brilliant that you agree with me that the Auth Card isnt needed ...now we just need more to follow your lead.

[Pedro]

Im all for the cert system it works very well...but the auth card is not needed for lift heights ..if a vehicle is safe to be driven it will pass the cert ..if not it will fail & not be allowed on the road....simple as that !!

yep I dont disagree with that at all but its going to change and it dosent matter if its driven by NZFWDA, LTSA, NZTA, LVVTA, LVVTA TRP, the police, local Govt, John Key or anyone else it's going to happen one way or the other thats just the natural progression complience takes

Brilliant that you agree with me that the Auth Card isnt needed ...now we just need more to follow your lead.

Alot of people agree a authority card is not needed, BUT the govt or ltsa had it in thier sights to outlaw lifts, period !!, would you prefer that ???

the certifiers (lvvta) gave a option to nzfwda, to put a system in place allowing lifts up to and over the 100mm, it would be a interesting number to find out how many are over the 100mm, as it possible it only affects less than 200-300 vehicles in NZ, so all the bitching and whining over this pointless,

and who knows, if the system is put in place then nzfwda may get more things to certify, full harness belts, open wheeled vehicles etc, bit like the hot rod clubs. and unfortuanltey it is a user pays system out there, just because nzfwda is outfit that the govt acknowledges exists, is the reason they were picked.

pedro