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KiwiBacon wrote: Power = torque x rpm. Lots of torque at low rpm doesn't make much power.


torque is power, in this excample low rpm is unimportant, step it up with a gearbox.
i guess u mean hp, or time taken to turn a certain load, not factoring the ratio,s

i think basically means if u got enuff torque u can overdrive it to hell, first gear at 1:1, 2nd 1:2.........top gear 1:10
Steam engine perfect for this, but how to heat the water......................?

I always thought a very small boiler superheated by some medium and computer controlled, i.e fresh water fed in, super hot steam taken out.
maybe u never turn it off? it sits in the garage and powers up the entire house when u not driving

Maybe technology will devolop so that kitchen waste can be used, everything made up of atoms isn,t it???

persoanly i favor splitting the Beer atom.
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check out what this guy has to say http://aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml
it is the same guy as here http://www.interestingprojects.com/
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tpft wrote:
KiwiBacon wrote: Power = torque x rpm. Lots of torque at low rpm doesn't make much power.


torque is power, in this excample low rpm is unimportant, step it up with a gearbox.
i guess u mean hp, or time taken to turn a certain load, not factoring the ratio,s


Nope, power = torque x rpm. You can change the output speed (and torque) as much as you like, it doesn't give you any more power.
Power is measured in kilowatts, horsepower and some other irrelevant units. Torque is a measure of twisting force.
For example, stationary torque (like a torsion bar holding up your suspension) has no rpm and hence no power.

Tell me more about that beer atom.
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mercutio wrote:check out what this guy has to say http://aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml
it is the same guy as here http://www.interestingprojects.com/


For once I agree with him.
Yes, it's a scam.
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KiwiBacon wrote:Nope, power = torque x rpm. You can change the output speed (and torque) as much as you like, it doesn't give you any more power.
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i don,t think u understand the steam engine.
i try to explain what i,m getting at
i know u engineer and maybe i,m wrong, i,m sort of working this out in my head too, so don,t take offence

u put 40inch tyres on your wagon it will be a slug intil u lower the diff ratio,s, ok?
no more rpm or power or torque, but engine has better mechanical advantage over load

opposite is true too if engine had enuff torque you could drive around in top all day.
external combustion engine(steam) has many differances to internal combustion
excerpt from http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/stmpwr.htm

"Engines of this type turn fairly slowly. 600 rpm is not an unusual or "slow" turning speed. Don’t let the speed mislead you. 600 rpm in a steam engine isn’t comparable to 600 rpm in a gasoline engine. 600 rpm in a gas engine is an "idle speed" that produces very little torque (or twisting force). A steam engine can produce maximum torque at almost 0 rpm. If you have ever seen an old 10 to 16 horsepower steam tractor at a "tractor pull" pulling against our modern 400+ horsepower gas engines, you will understand. The steam tractor always wins."

10-16 hp beats 400 because its got more torque.
hp/power gets thrown out of window with steam
p.s your torsion bar compasion is right and wrong.
a torsion bar is not a engine but a storage device of energy.
if torque is put into the bar (by a engine and its easy if the engine has a low ratio gearbox :wink: ) then it could move a load
and how long it takes to move that load is measured in power (hp)

"The torque, or twisting force an engine is capable of producing is more of a measure of actual engine power than horsepower. A gasoline engine will produce torque in the range of 250-400 lbs. when the engine itself is over 300 cu. in. and over 200 horsepower. Steam and gas horsepower are not the same.

Most automobile engines will not reach maximum torque until they reach 2200 rpm. A steam engine can reach maximum torque when the piston is hardly moving.
Steam itself is literally unstoppable and, at pressures past what metal can endure, irresistible. For an example of the power of steam, consider the largest steam explosion in the history of the United States: Mount St. Helens.
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Steam engines are rated completely differently to internal combustion engines.
They are rated on constant output, but because they can build steam, then use it all at once they can deliver a lot of power for a short burst.
But internal combustion engines can't, the rating they have is their maximum, the continuous is lower.

More mechanical advantage (lower gearing) means you get more force, but it happens slower. Power is also force multiplied by velocity, so gearing (apart from the power lost turning the gears) can't change the power, but it changes the torque and speed opposite.
Double the torque, you halve the rpm and the power remains the same.

In a nutshell, lower gearing will let you move a heavy vehicle up a hill, but it'll be at a snails pace. Doubling the speed you take that load up the hill will take double the power, regardless of what engine you have powering it.
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It is only a scam where they make you pay, as I had in the prevoius boring posts you can have it do some work in a self sustaining reaction but you need additional chemicals. In fact you can produce the gas with no additional electricity or cost on the engine in a chemical reaction as I posted previously.

This would want to have been collected and released when you wanted and ar a rate you want, suplementing the petrol (and replacing some of the fuel).

All I was doing is showing how this could work and where the benefits may come from, that and offer a more direct route to those results. I have built and captured the resultant gas from this system just waiting for the lab at my old work to look into what was produced.
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KiwiBacon wrote:Steam engines are rated completely differently to internal combustion engines.
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well doh isn,t steam engines what we was talking about????
they "can" store pressure, a lot at once if u choose, or less over a longer time
thing started with me saying taking a high torque, low rpm steam engine and over driving it to hell.

u coming in with the whole no rpm no power thing.........................:oops:
never mind.

this is a good read, not just on steam, but on the promblems with electric cars
http://www.stanleysteamers.com/modern_steam.htm
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I didn't want to get into this school boy bullying tactics of a debate about weather or not this original post was or is a conceivable idea or not, but I cant hold off commenting any longer sorry.

But and this is a big but; just try reading this post with a neutral view from start to finish and see how it looks.
So many people so strongly bagging one persons idea of experimenting is shameful to say the least.

I would ask those of you who are so against this experiment to back off and give the guy some space, or give him some encouragement.
So what if you so strongly believe he is wrong, you can be a bit more diplomatic about it surely.
Its a bit like saying to your kid when they miss a kick at a goal, "ya friggin looser"!
Some of you really do remind me of old school boy bullies!

That's how I see this discussion anyways.
Ok people, move along. Nothing to see here. Thank you, move along.
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kiwipete wrote:I would ask those of you who are so against this experiment to back off and give the guy some space, or give him some encouragement.


Yeah good one.
Someone wastes time and money on a device that's proven not to work (and would need to break many laws of physics to work) and you want us to encourage them? :lol:
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KiwiBacon wrote:
kiwipete wrote:I would ask those of you who are so against this experiment to back off and give the guy some space, or give him some encouragement.


Yeah good one.
Someone wastes time and money on a device that's proven not to work (and would need to break many laws of physics to work) and you want us to encourage them? :lol:


Thats what most of the people used to say about landing humans on the moon! Laws of physics are not static as you imply. Yes the device may be useless in the end, but the idea I am in support of is to encourage people to tinker and experiment. Science can never be a static body of knowledge, the moment you buy the concept that it is, all learning will stop immediately.
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KiwiBacon wrote:Yeah good one.
Someone wastes time and money on a device that's proven not to work (and would need to break many laws of physics to work) and you want us to encourage them? :lol:


YES!
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Remember the US patent office was almost closed once (1899) as they decided everything that was going to be invented had been recorded and it surved no further purpose. Of course this could be a well aged urban myth also...
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Heath wrote:Remember the US patent office was almost closed once (1899) as they decided everything that was going to be invented had been recorded and it surved no further purpose. Of course this could be a well aged urban myth also...


Urban legend.
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KiwiBacon wrote:
Heath wrote:Remember the US patent office was almost closed once (1899) as they decided everything that was going to be invented had been recorded and it surved no further purpose. Of course this could be a well aged urban myth also...


Urban legend.
Yep this one is (checked up after I posted it)
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ok, just for the record and i mean this in a postive way, i really hope there is.............hope that good ideas can be had by everyday people still

"What was the last important invention, invented by somebody in their back yard and not by some company research facility? with billions of dollars?"

When the Wright brothers flew, u had a lot less population most of which were struggling to feed their familys
not play with kites.

And as for moon landing, was a bloody windy day when they landed on the moon :roll:
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I don't believe one little bit of the HHO fuel saving principle, for all the reasons stated by numerous posters.

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Britten Motorbike it was impossible for one man to challenge the world superbikes.
He is not the best role model from his book and other books but hey he did make it and it was faster than anything else out there.

Perhaps we will all start our own home still's and brew high proof Alcohol for fuel, and depending what from the low proof can be drunk :lol: we will have the Banjo's out down here :D
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Steve_t647 wrote:Britten Motorbike it was impossible for one man to challenge the world superbikes.
He is not the best role model from his book and other books but hey he did make it and it was faster than anything else out there.
:D

nope, no,na na, no way
i was going to fill this page with why this is wrong, i,m from bikes and racing and anyway a huge number of people should be mentioned b4 him.......................
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as for a windy day when they landed on the moon :roll: :?:
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coxsy wrote:as for a windy day when they landed on the moon :roll: :?:

it was meant as a joke
have u not seen the films, with the flag blowing around?

here is one of them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo66TOwx ... re=related
lthis is way off post, and i,m not saying we didn,t go to the moon, maybe footage was lost or something so they rehashed it???
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How can you take perfectly framed shots with a camera mounted on your chest that you cant see into to frame the shots? Or what about the marks on the shots put there by the camera (reference marks) that appear behind parts of the image?
How can you geta picture of something that has the only light source behind it with enough light to show detaisl perfectly (we use extra lights here on earth), or two different shadow directions in the same shot?
Then there is the same ground used in photos by different lunar missions (100s of miles apart), must get good mileage in them lunar rovers.

Sorry for the foray off topic. But I love conspiracy theories.
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Heath wrote:Sorry for the foray off topic. But I love conspiracy theories.


There's an excellent one surrounding "The Beatles". Death of a band member, substution with a member of the public etc.
Truely entertaining.
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Heath wrote:How can you take perfectly framed shots with a camera mounted on your chest that you cant see into to frame the shots? Or what about the marks on the shots put there by the camera (reference marks) that appear behind parts of the image?
How can you geta picture of something that has the only light source behind it with enough light to show detaisl perfectly (we use extra lights here on earth), or two different shadow directions in the same shot?
Then there is the same ground used in photos by different lunar missions (100s of miles apart), must get good mileage in them lunar rovers.

Sorry for the foray off topic. But I love conspiracy theories.


Yes the cameras were on a bracket attached to their spacesuit, this doesn't pose a problem as they had wide-angle lenses and many of the shots were taken in quick succession. NASA only released the best photos to the public even then some were cropped to improve composition. The dark reference marks being obscured by a bright white subject (the astronauts) is just a film effect. Two different shadows - two different light sources - the sun and the earth.

I love conspiracy theories too.. this one however is BS. Everything the doubters come up with can and has been explained. NASA went to the moon...

...And Hydrogen generators running off your cars alternator do not and will not ever contribute anything to your gas mileage.

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er the boys at nasa thought about the flag thing a cloth flag would just flop in low G ,so therir flag had springs in it horisontal sown in the it so it stood out staight and vibrated when jammed in the ground :D
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coxsy wrote:er the boys at nasa thought about the flag thing a cloth flag would just flop in low G ,so therir flag had springs in it horisontal sown in the it so it stood out staight and vibrated when jammed in the ground :D


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nothing like a good conspiracy.
kennedys
moon landing
princess di
area 51
every rock star and movie star
free energy
global warming
etc etc etc etc

in fact with every major event in history chances are there is a conspiracy theory as well.

it makes it easier for us to explain the bizzare stuff thast happens every day without our head exploding
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tpft wrote:nothing like a good conspiracy.
kennedys
moon landing
princess di
area 51
every rock star and movie star
free energy
global warming
etc etc etc etc

in fact with every major event in history chances are there is a conspiracy theory as well.

it makes it easier for us to explain the bizzare stuff thast happens every day without our head exploding


I would think global warming is the biggest load of crap so far
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Jezza wrote:
I would think global warming is the biggest load of crap so far



Now that I do agree with.
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tpft wrote:
it makes it easier for us to explain the bizzare stuff thast happens every day without our head exploding


Just make a tinfoil hat so they cant probe your thoughts and over excite the water molecules with their UFO mounted inverted exhaust flanges. I have been doing it for years and my brain hasnt exploded yet. Although there was the time with the microwave...
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