Re: Wish I Thought of That... Trail Recovery Hook
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:35 pm
RE: Article Issues‏
From: Mark Craig (shinrai1@hotmail.com)
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 1:19:38 a.m.
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Hello Adventure Bob.
Thanks for responding.
If its ok, ill cut and paste portions of your reply and add my response to it.
"First, thanks for reading and taking enough interest and your valuable time to comment on an article."
- My pleasure, it really needed to be commented on, in my humble opinion.
"This article for some reason has hit a nerve with folks there in Australia and I can't help but wonder as to the purpose of the communications all stemming from your neck of the woods."
At least two of us on that address list are from New Zealand, a different country from Australia... or was that just a joke... haha you Canadians are quite humerous after all. Perhaps it hit a nerve becuase we (yes, the Aussies included) have a huge amount of common sense and dont just swallow what is spoon fed to us.....
"Let me simply say that if the purpose is honest and open discussion of the article, I will be willing to entertain any serious discussion you'd like to have."
The purpose is to try to stop any unsafe practices being undertaken under the guise of being a great idea. While my email to you may have been written in a tongue in cheek manner, the subject of safety is indeed serious.
"1) The critique must be of the technique or methodology, not a judgmental assessment without factual or statistical basis."
That's fair. However, I thought that my email to you clearly pointed out the dangerous technique and the non-thought out methodology. In the manufacturers instructions that come with the hooks we buy down here, it clearly states how to attach the hook to the vehicle etc. IE: HOW IT IS TO BE USED AS PER THE MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS.
I would therefore ask, where is the technical data, or engineering methodology to accompany and support the article?
Did the manufacturers engineers approve this useage of the hooks in the fashion outlined?
If we (not likely by hypothetically) are to follow the method in the article, how can you safeguard us, the public that this is indeed safe?
I would assume that the relative homework was done before putting this potentially lethal weapon into that hands of the public. What is there in place to stop me coming an sueing you if this did go haywire? Where are the facts, and stats to make this a proven and safe method, rather than being "OK" by your article writers judgemental assessment?
"2) You must also be willing to openly take credit for your critique using your professional credentials."
And your article author promoted profession credentials in coming up with this idea I assume? I'm not an engineer, I can have no professional opinion, but I have seen rated hooks flatten out under load... simple common sense tells us what WILL happen if a hook flattens out using your method. I would have thought that editor of a magazine would have ensured his/her professional integrity stays in good stead by proofing the engineering behind this method before putting it to print.
In short, I am asking you to show us, the readers, and users, proof that the method of attaching two hooks together, and using them in the manner described in the article, is safe, and backed by the manufacturers and their engineers, and is not just a pie-in-the-sky idea dreamed up an not fully considered.
Kindest regards
Mark (In New Zealand)
From: Mark Craig (shinrai1@hotmail.com)
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 1:19:38 a.m.
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Hello Adventure Bob.
Thanks for responding.
If its ok, ill cut and paste portions of your reply and add my response to it.
"First, thanks for reading and taking enough interest and your valuable time to comment on an article."
- My pleasure, it really needed to be commented on, in my humble opinion.
"This article for some reason has hit a nerve with folks there in Australia and I can't help but wonder as to the purpose of the communications all stemming from your neck of the woods."
At least two of us on that address list are from New Zealand, a different country from Australia... or was that just a joke... haha you Canadians are quite humerous after all. Perhaps it hit a nerve becuase we (yes, the Aussies included) have a huge amount of common sense and dont just swallow what is spoon fed to us.....
"Let me simply say that if the purpose is honest and open discussion of the article, I will be willing to entertain any serious discussion you'd like to have."
The purpose is to try to stop any unsafe practices being undertaken under the guise of being a great idea. While my email to you may have been written in a tongue in cheek manner, the subject of safety is indeed serious.
"1) The critique must be of the technique or methodology, not a judgmental assessment without factual or statistical basis."
That's fair. However, I thought that my email to you clearly pointed out the dangerous technique and the non-thought out methodology. In the manufacturers instructions that come with the hooks we buy down here, it clearly states how to attach the hook to the vehicle etc. IE: HOW IT IS TO BE USED AS PER THE MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS.
I would therefore ask, where is the technical data, or engineering methodology to accompany and support the article?
Did the manufacturers engineers approve this useage of the hooks in the fashion outlined?
If we (not likely by hypothetically) are to follow the method in the article, how can you safeguard us, the public that this is indeed safe?
I would assume that the relative homework was done before putting this potentially lethal weapon into that hands of the public. What is there in place to stop me coming an sueing you if this did go haywire? Where are the facts, and stats to make this a proven and safe method, rather than being "OK" by your article writers judgemental assessment?
"2) You must also be willing to openly take credit for your critique using your professional credentials."
And your article author promoted profession credentials in coming up with this idea I assume? I'm not an engineer, I can have no professional opinion, but I have seen rated hooks flatten out under load... simple common sense tells us what WILL happen if a hook flattens out using your method. I would have thought that editor of a magazine would have ensured his/her professional integrity stays in good stead by proofing the engineering behind this method before putting it to print.
In short, I am asking you to show us, the readers, and users, proof that the method of attaching two hooks together, and using them in the manner described in the article, is safe, and backed by the manufacturers and their engineers, and is not just a pie-in-the-sky idea dreamed up an not fully considered.
Kindest regards
Mark (In New Zealand)
