Offroad-Express

haynzy wrote:Been watchin this thread for a while now and cant help but say my 2c
The facination of these cheap semis eludes me, cheap ammo is not a good reason to purchase a firearm. assuming the purchaser is the auther of this thread and he is just begining to hunt the chances of him seeing amounts of game on a regular basis would be very lucky and more probebly he may see nothing for quite a few trips. now im not against firearm ownership as I have hunted all my life and was shootin deer when most of my friends were playing on their commadore 64's but I dont think in my opinion a first time firearm owner should buy a rifle in a configuration or calibre that is not suited to nz hunting conditions ie
fallow small deer usually close shots and small animal requiring maybe a 223 or 243
sika chance of longer shots, tough critters, hunting need a bigger like 270 or sim
goats .22 learn to shoot
as usual these comments may not appeal to everyone but hey my 2c

Couldnt agree more,

Am deff getting a .22 to start with, likely bolt.

The Sks was more a cheap fun shoot the shit out of shit at the range type gun.

mate of mine has just got the new deal from Gun City?

new Ruger stainless synthetic with pentax scope package for $1699.00

and he took advice and went with the 7mm08

the deal diddnt include the WSM calibres or would have said 7mmWSM

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damn it, just found out they are avaliable in some wsm cases

juz wrote:Gutted!! just bought Tikka T3 stainless synthetic and VX1 from there for 2400,would probably have gone the Ruger if id known... 7mm08 is real nice tho

Dont be to gutted man the Tikka is a real shooter and you will love it and ive yet to see a Ruger shoot as tight as a Tikka, In my opinion The T3 is the best value for money rifle and they also seem to shoot better than there bigger brother Sako's that use the same match grade barrel, And with the VX1 you cant wrong either.

Very true, is a great gun! was just thinkn of the $$$..
but hey its only money,still making the sh*t!

i also have a tikka t3 with vx1 scope excellent rifle love mine to bits lovely to shoot !

Still leaning towards a .22 for my first, and something semi for a range toy. been keeping an eye on gun city`s $1 auctions, got to go to the safety class early oct, then time to shop !

juz wrote:Gutted!! just bought Tikka T3 stainless synthetic and VX1 from there for 2400,would probably have gone the Ruger if id known... 7mm08 is real nice tho

Tikka are the "cheap" rifles made in the Sako factory. ":Cheap" does not mean second grade or cheaply made, it merely means they are not the top stocks or actions, barrels are still excellent.
OHHH BTW, Sako branded ammo is made by Norma, and in my experience, there is no finer brass. will withstand many many reloads.

If I was in the market for a new cannon, Sako, Tikka then Ruger a long way behind in my shopping list!

well, i`ve put a deposit on these 2 rifles,

22

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =244254376

Sks

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =244257385

now just gotta wiat untill my licence comes through, gotta sit the lecture/test monday 12th oct, so hopefully not long after that.

failing that (Time Wise), I may have to get someone to purchse and store untill my licence comes through so as not to stuff the guy around.

good luck on your licence mine took 11 weeks to come through they dont hurry at all i assure you! as for the rifles the sks looks mean, but i would do my homework on any chinese rifle before buying in saying that i own 2 norincos great rifles and ones comming in the mail just got a norinco m14 people say the best value for money rifle of that caliber so might be worth checking out? as for the ruger 10/22 will be a great rifle but the norinco .22 are worth checking out too if you wanna save some coin the jw15 is a bruno clone very accurate and problem free mines never let me down!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting ... 049619.htm

mines not syntheic but syntheic are better as they dont have beeding problems like my timber one i had to mod, also i had my barrel cut down as its far too long with the silencer on it like the one listed, mines cut down and still a pain in the arse

Moriarty wrote:

juz wrote:Gutted!! just bought Tikka T3 stainless synthetic and VX1 from there for 2400,would probably have gone the Ruger if id known... 7mm08 is real nice tho

Tikka are the "cheap" rifles made in the Sako factory. ":Cheap" does not mean second grade or cheaply made, it merely means they are not the top stocks or actions, barrels are still excellent.!

if they are not "second grade" and they are not "top"... lol.... what are they.

they are totally different rifles AFAIK- just made in the same factory.

EG, sako bolt has 3 lugs, Tika has two.

flyingbrick wrote:

Moriarty wrote:

juz wrote:Gutted!! just bought Tikka T3 stainless synthetic and VX1 from there for 2400,would probably have gone the Ruger if id known... 7mm08 is real nice tho

Tikka are the "cheap" rifles made in the Sako factory. ":Cheap" does not mean second grade or cheaply made, it merely means they are not the top stocks or actions, barrels are still excellent.!

if they are not "second grade" and they are not "top"... lol.... what are they.

they are totally different rifles AFAIK- just made in the same factory.

EG, sako bolt has 3 lugs, Tika has two.

They are not that different as they both use the same Match grade barrels and are made to the same Quality standards, I dont know why but the Tikka will usually allways shoot better than the sako's aswell making them much better value for money and most Tikka T3's will easily get 3 shots touching at 100m with a good Nut behind the Butt.

In my opinion you cant get a better value rifle and rifles 2-3 times there price cant shoot as tight

haydgq wrote: ========clip ==========

In my opinion you cant get a better value rifle and rifles 2-3 times there price cant shoot as tight

Yeah, sure of course you can. HOWEVER..... no one ever went wrong buying quality and it's as I said to Rolloverrover, Number one son, buy the very best tools you can afford at the time.

If you HAVE to economise, and I sure know about THAT, always remember with a rifle bought for deer does NOT need to be able to shoot sub-MOA. Deer are BIG animals, and all you need to do is hit a 150mm dia target STANDING.

My little .44 rem mag Ruger only shoots a 50 to 75mm group OFF A REST at 90M, more than enough for a fair number of Sika.

The .222R brno does considerably better than THAT, holding .25MOA but THAT'S a good bunny gun.

Soooo, why not look around for a second hand CZ525 or 601 series Brno? if you can find one, at least made before 1970 to 75 and clean it and love it. unless its been allowed to rust to bits, it will easily restore to shoot like mine, cos MINE was born in 1964 and was used as a deer-cullers main gun for ten years until it was "Shot out".

yeah, RIGHT!!!

We spent days, weeks, cleaning and cleaning, fitted a quality piece of glass and would I part with it? nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Moriarty wrote:

haydgq wrote: ========clip ==========

In my opinion you cant get a better value rifle and rifles 2-3 times there price cant shoot as tight

Yeah, sure of course you can. HOWEVER..... no one ever went wrong buying quality and it's as I said to Rolloverrover, Number one son, buy the very best tools you can afford at the time.

If you HAVE to economise, and I sure know about THAT, always remember with a rifle bought for deer does NOT need to be able to shoot sub-MOA. Deer are BIG animals, and all you need to do is hit a 150mm dia target STANDING.

My little .44 rem mag Ruger only shoots a 50 to 75mm group OFF A REST at 90M, more than enough for a fair number of Sika.

The .222R brno does considerably better than THAT, holding .25MOA but THAT'S a good bunny gun.

Soooo, why not look around for a second hand CZ525 or 601 series Brno? if you can find one, at least made before 1970 to 75 and clean it and love it. unless its been allowed to rust to bits, it will easily restore to shoot like mine, cos MINE was born in 1964 and was used as a deer-cullers main gun for ten years until it was "Shot out".

yeah, RIGHT!!!

We spent days, weeks, cleaning and cleaning, fitted a quality piece of glass and would I part with it? nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Yea thats right to many guys can get carried away with the accuracy thing and punching tight groups in paper, I personally like a tight shooter so when you are taking a longer shot you can still be confident in the rifle and where it shoots but at the end of the day any off the shelf rifle will should be capable of shooting deer sized game out to around 200-300 meters if needed

And ive had a zkk601 in .270 and they are a very nice rifle but finding the good old rifle's like the Brno's is getting very hard and they are expensive when they come up on the used firearm market.

The older Tikka's are also very nice and highly regarded but also expensive, they do feel more well made than the T3 and a general better quality feel to them.

Cheers

haydgq wrote:And ive had a zkk601 in .270 and they are a very nice rifle but finding the good old rifle's like the Brno's is getting very hard and they are expensive when they come up on the used firearm market.

The older Tikka's are also very nice and highly regarded but also expensive, they do feel more well made than the T3 and a general better quality feel to them.

Cheers

same goes for the old vs new sakos, they just dont make em the same these days no complaints about my kimber though

haydgq wrote:----------- clip-------------

And ive had a zkk601 in .270 and they are a very nice rifle but finding the good old rifle's like the Brno's is getting very hard and they are expensive when they come up on the used firearm market.

The older Tikka's are also very nice and highly regarded but also expensive, they do feel more well made than the T3 and a general better quality feel to them.

Cheers

Granted all that, seems as though all rifles are expensive. I know a guy who spent $7K on one....... shotguns are worse too, once saw $25K of trap gun fall into 450 feet of water.... its still there....

On trademe (Listing #: 245627838 ) now is a Brno .22 model one, rare now, on the secondhand market, but a far better rifle than the model two.

also, just below is a zkk601 in 308W (Listing #: 245690990)


Ex Brother in law once went nuts and bought one of every model and size of the ZKK series, with a few doubleups in calibres.. THAT was when Aussie was going through the knee jerk reaction to the Port Arthur massacre. gottem as cheap as!! lucky sod had the money at the time, man, did HE get a few bargains. it paid him to fly Sydney AKL every second day for two weeks ferrying 6 guns at a time into NZ. I am still pissed that I didnt have THAT sort of money.

if i had the money and was after a larger caliber (bigger than a 22) i would be going straight for a blaser. they have to be the best built rifle i have ever held.

the actions are pure genius straight pull bolt. the safty mech decocks the firing pin and drops it into a different area so it cant get near the primer. then just flick the safety off and its cocked again. virtually bomb proof.

and last but not least interchangeable barrels/ bolt heads so many calibers in the one stock can be had.

price is a little scary tho starting at $3500 for the R93 off road model through to as much as you can imagine. saw pics of one worth $100,000 gold inlayed ingraving dark beautiful grain walnut stock was amazing.

but like every one has said start small and learn to use it. stay away from the autos till you really no what you are doing as with a auto you will become inclined to get trigger happy. even worse with shotguns than rifles

Licence has arrived, get the guns Tue-Wed prolly, then get em checked out, do some shopping then to the range,

Just which range to choose...

Coatsville seems ok, but only every second Sunday ...
Birkenhead is only .22
Any other idea`s ?

you will find that most ranges are only open a few times a month as the demand for them doesnt warrent them being open every weekend.

best advice would be get your 22 silenced then go out and knock on farmers doors asking if it would be alright for you to set up a target on a safe piece of their land. throw a 12pack of a reasonable quality beer in and once you have a place to shoot call in and give it to the farmer on your way home to say thanks. this should get you future access.

and make sure you ask what his rules for his land are and stick to them

and hell probably have a map/aerial photo of his property to show you the boundarys.courtesy to pick up the shells too if you can

2roky wrote:you will find that most ranges are only open a few times a month as the demand for them doesnt warrent them being open every weekend.

best advice would be get your 22 silenced then go out and knock on farmers doors asking if it would be alright for you to set up a target on a safe piece of their land. throw a 12pack of a reasonable quality beer in and once you have a place to shoot call in and give it to the farmer on your way home to say thanks. this should get you future access.

and make sure you ask what his rules for his land are and stick to them

Make DAMNED sure he does NOT see the beer BEFORE you set off, you will give him quite the wrong impression and you will get a stern NO!! lol

why not ?

Drinking and shooting is sweet ... I saw it on closeup

T-Boon wrote:why not ?

Drinking and shooting is sweet ... I saw it on closeup

You need your head bumps felt and massaged if you believe everything or anything on tv!!!

haha, yeah and there was no uproar at all about that story

Picking up my rifles tomorrow morning ... Yay

Bit of an update !





The collection as it stands.

and its Victim.







So bought a Valtro Shotgun, and a Mosin Nagant !

Not a good idea to show that series of pics. (although they do look cool - especially the shotgun )

Firstly we all (and anyone else looking) now know what you have, secondly you show damage to vegetation (which may be yours - but isnt clear) which the greenies and anti gun people love to use against us and thirdly there are pics somewhere of your wagon showing the rego (and maybe data in your profile), which can lead us (or the bad guys) back to your address.

Just make sure that you have them all locked securely and keep any data bout your address (rego number etc) off the web.

Yeah I know "what are the chances?" but best be careful.

Yeah, cheers for that,

Rego is a PO Box, and was all on private property.

Tree`s are being cleared anyway.

if your interested you can now "opt out" of giving out your details.
eg. at the moment anyone can get your address from the post shop just by giving a plate number. On the nzta website you can change this and set it to private for security reasons.

Now that is a great bit of news.