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Heath wrote:Why is it some people just cant accept that other people think differently? Why all the name calling?

Yes you may not enjoy the idea of punching holes in paper with high calibre rifles, but what you do in your own time is up to you and I wouldnt make fun of it (or belittle you directly).

Pete, the Sako is a great toy but the price per round is beyond belief. Even mil surplus 50 Cal rounds would be probably be cheaper, but I am with you on this one. The challenge when you take in all the environmental and human factors to get a small projectile to hit a target at 1000m is huge. Then when you step out to max range it is astronomically hard, but not impossible. It takes a lot of time, practice and a huge danger template to even consider trying (and a large budget). Considering the 7.62 has a danger template of over 5km the 338 would have to be at least half that again and I dont know of any ranges other then military ones that can offer that sort of distance.

But if ya get one can I have a go?

Heath wrote:Why is it some people just cant accept that other people think differently? Why all the name calling?

Yes you may not enjoy the idea of punching holes in paper with high calibre rifles, but what you do in your own time is up to you and I wouldnt make fun of it (or belittle you directly).

Pete, the Sako is a great toy but the price per round is beyond belief. Even mil surplus 50 Cal rounds would be probably be cheaper, but I am with you on this one. The challenge when you take in all the environmental and human factors to get a small projectile to hit a target at 1000m is huge. Then when you step out to max range it is astronomically hard, but not impossible. It takes a lot of time, practice and a huge danger template to even consider trying (and a large budget). Considering the 7.62 has a danger template of over 5km the 338 would have to be at least half that again and I dont know of any ranges other then military ones that can offer that sort of distance.

But if ya get one can I have a go?

haynzy wrote:

Heath wrote:Why is it some people just cant accept that other people think differently? Why all the name calling?

Yes you may not enjoy the idea of punching holes in paper with high calibre rifles, but what you do in your own time is up to you and I wouldnt make fun of it (or belittle you directly).

Pete, the Sako is a great toy but the price per round is beyond belief. Even mil surplus 50 Cal rounds would be probably be cheaper, but I am with you on this one. The challenge when you take in all the environmental and human factors to get a small projectile to hit a target at 1000m is huge. Then when you step out to max range it is astronomically hard, but not impossible. It takes a lot of time, practice and a huge danger template to even consider trying (and a large budget). Considering the 7.62 has a danger template of over 5km the 338 would have to be at least half that again and I dont know of any ranges other then military ones that can offer that sort of distance.

But if ya get one can I have a go?

Fair call the name calling was uncalled for however when ya go from talking about slug guns to arguably one of the most lethal rounds commercially available ya have to wonder. If the suits have any cause to change gunlaws it is backed up by people having access to firearms with capability they neither understand or could possibly handle. Now Im not saying that an individual cant handle it but I have been around firearms all my life and would put my hand on my heart and say I can shoot pretty well but would never in a million years think I am any where near capable to handle a 338 lapua. I have seen many of novice guys race out and purchase calibres like the 7mm mag and wince every time they pull the trigger.
My 2c over and my last comment.

petefj40 wrote:
I've had some luck with the 204 at 200m. But at a 1000m and over will be a real challenge with the 338. You're right as far as finding a place to or range to use it.
I have a mate that manages a big block of land out on the peninsula close to Robin Hood Bay. He's an antique gun dealer. He has a wealth of knowledge in the firearms scene.

mudbugga wrote:

petefj40 wrote:
I've had some luck with the 204 at 200m. But at a 1000m and over will be a real challenge with the 338. You're right as far as finding a place to or range to use it.
I have a mate that manages a big block of land out on the peninsula close to Robin Hood Bay. He's an antique gun dealer. He has a wealth of knowledge in the firearms scene.

I hunt on the farm over the next valley from your mate
Plenty of long range hares to shoot over there!!!

mudbugga wrote:Instead of turning left after the stock yards, go straight ahead.

bda4130 wrote:I used to own a .22 break barrel air rifle that fired at over 1000 feet per second, then traded that in for a pcp that fires at 820 ft per second. I'm now in the process of getting firearms licence as is now required by law and will be ditching air rifles altogether and getting something with a bit more grunt. My expensive pcp is now virtually worthless... Who would buy one when you can buy a 22 for a tenth of the price!!!

I don't have a problem with this law change as I was planning on getting my licence anyway and anything to take weapons out of crims hands is good. But having said that I would way rather be shot with an 820 ft/sec air rifle than .22 rimfire!

petefj40 wrote:

bda4130 wrote:I used to own a .22 break barrel air rifle that fired at over 1000 feet per second, then traded that in for a pcp that fires at 820 ft per second. I'm now in the process of getting firearms licence as is now required by law and will be ditching air rifles altogether and getting something with a bit more grunt. My expensive pcp is now virtually worthless... Who would buy one when you can buy a 22 for a tenth of the price!!!

I don't have a problem with this law change as I was planning on getting my licence anyway and anything to take weapons out of crims hands is good. But having said that I would way rather be shot with an 820 ft/sec air rifle than .22 rimfire!

I get your point. Yeah I totally agree with that, but maybe the law should be for all air rifles over a certain ft/sec as it is in most other countries.
I think the biggest difference between the PCP rifle to a springer one is. The springer is a single shot only. While some PCP rifles are a 12 shot semi auto and these things are far more accurate than a springer rifle. So while one shot at 1000fps could kill you. 12 shots at 820fps could do way more damage. Hence the reason for a license to own one..

bda4130 wrote:Whoops, cocked up that quote. I totally agree that a semi auto can do way more damage! I think perhaps the law should have covered everything over a certain ft/sec like other countries do. That would keep high powered break barrels out of unsavouries hands to, cause man ya can reload a break barrel quick with a bit of practice!

Moriarty wrote:If you take guns out of the hands of the lawabiding, only the lawless will have guns, is THAT what you want?

Moriarty wrote:
If you take guns out of the hands of the lawabiding, only the lawless will have guns, is THAT what you want?

petefj40 wrote:One of these can stay under the bed loaded ready to go. And I can tell you. Used correctly it can do some damage. Nothing compared to a firearm. But still, it's legal.

Swamped wrote:Did precharge guns used to be allowed to be fireed in the backyard like any break barrel? Has this rule changed if so?

petefj40 wrote:

Moriarty wrote:If you take guns out of the hands of the lawabiding, only the lawless will have guns, is THAT what you want?

It may end up the way Bob. We're pretty slow to catch on down here in this part of the world. I wouldn't want to see it go that way. So I think owning a high powered air rifle or gun isn't a right. It's a privilege. And it should always be treated that way. Absolutely true

I think in the UK they limit air rifles not by feet per second (fps). But by how much energy it produces? I think that would be a wise thing to employ here in NZ?

Back to the springer vs PCP. Sure, you might be able to get really fast at reloading the springer. But by the time you have valuable seconds have past. Enough time for the game to get out of range. Where as the PCP rifle will shot as fast as you can pull the trigger. There's no comparison what so ever.
What you have said here is against ALL the tenets of shooting. Put enough slugs in the air in the hopes that ONE will hit the target. BAAAAAD Petey!! The CORRECT way is to make your ONE shot kill.

I do think the point brought up earlier was a good one.
Why on earth would someone pay 3 or 4 times more for a high powered PCP rifle when you can buy the good old .22 at a fraction of the price.

petefj40 wrote:Well put Bob.
But I'll be straight (shooting) with ya.
I'm a crap shot. The first one never hits the target. That's why I before I got my firearms license I brought a semi auto air rifle.

The Sunday theater always rates Bob. Tonight was no acception.
Bloody good shot with that hand gun wasn't it?

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