Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
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Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
I'd like to catch the bastard that was responsible for tipping all the water down this track and wrecked it we had to cut a deviation around the back so I could get my truck up to my bach, we'll have no tracks left if they keep this iresponsible shit up... I might even write a letter to someone coz I can predict whats going to happen in 11 years
Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
Sadam_Husain wrote:I'd like to catch the bastard that was responsible for tipping all the water down this track and wrecked it we had to cut a deviation around the back so I could get my truck up to my bach, we'll have no tracks left if they keep this iresponsible shit up... I might even write a letter to someone coz I can predict whats going to happen in 11 years
Geez Sadam, the beggar that did that must have had one really big oversized tyre to do that much damage
Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
Sadam_Husain wrote: I might even write a letter to someone coz I can predict whats going to happen in 11 years
Your writing a letter to god? ...Let us know how that goes
Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
Bulletproof wrote:Trucks without front and rear diff locks do more damage than ones on big tyres by doing rooster tails.
Cheers Richard
Not really interested into the slanging match..lol..as i have had trucks with all the gear,35's diff locks front and rear [ as in my last 4x4,vx cruiser ute ] BUT at the moment as my circumstances have changed and i can't afford all the diff locks so just have to drive better,take more care etc another BUT here...i am still getting to most places the hard out trucks are getting and some times even further,just a bit harder work ..does help with the Wrangler being small,lite and it still has some good gear on it...i think what I'm trying to say is some of the time it has a lot to do with the driver..good debate though
Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
ladeda wrote:
I duno bordering on it but not quiet.
yea its wierd how he only picks the posts he has a reply for hey ?????
and ignores the ones that make perfect sence almost as if hes looking for the conflict ?????
Yeah mate. Wouldn't worry about it.
Right from his first post he came out guns blazing on anyone who doesn't agree with his rule book and despite others trying to have a decent conversation about it (until it became obvious that wasn't going to happen) and pointing out their own opinions and facts, he doesn't want to know about it.
These are the sorts of busy bodies who are just out to ruin it for everyone else.
The first 3-4 posts after his first clear everything up. Anyone with any sense can see that so he can believe he's got whatever he likes if that's what floats his boat.
i think what I'm trying to say is some of the time it has a lot to do with the driver.
All to do with the driver mate. Doesn't matter if they are a DOC worker, Police officer, fisherman, hunter, 4wd tour operator, if they are behind the wheel they have the ability to do some damage no matter their tyre size but placing the responsibility on everyone goes against this guys agenda.
Nature will take care of the rest in some locations and make it worse, or fix it in others. It's what it has always done.
If tyre limits are enforced then we should be banning booze because people have the potential to drive drunk. Guns in case someone gets shot. Tall ladders in case someone falls off. Just take everything away so no one can fark it up rather than educate correct usage. Brilliant.
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Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
Taz wrote:ladeda wrote:
I duno bordering on it but not quiet.
yea its wierd how he only picks the posts he has a reply for hey ?????
and ignores the ones that make perfect sence almost as if hes looking for the conflict ?????
Yeah mate. Wouldn't worry about it.
Right from his first post he came out guns blazing on anyone who doesn't agree with his rule book and despite others trying to have a decent conversation about it (until it became obvious that wasn't going to happen) and pointing out their own opinions and facts, he doesn't want to know about it.
These are the sorts of busy bodies who are just out to ruin it for everyone else.
The first 3-4 posts after his first clear everything up. Anyone with any sense can see that so he can believe he's got whatever he likes if that's what floats his boat.i think what I'm trying to say is some of the time it has a lot to do with the driver.
All to do with the driver mate. Doesn't matter if they are a DOC worker, Police officer, fisherman, hunter, 4wd tour operator, if they are behind the wheel they have the ability to do some damage no matter their tyre size but placing the responsibility on everyone goes against this guys agenda.
Nature will take care of the rest in some locations and make it worse, or fix it in others. It's what it has always done.
If tyre limits are enforced then we should be banning booze because people have the potential to drive drunk. Guns in case someone gets shot. Tall ladders in case someone falls off. Just take everything away so no one can fark it up rather than educate correct usage. Brilliant.
nicely put was about to also point out how he was alwase the victim even when not attacked.
I think It was the doc he needed not DOC
anyway as you were mentioning weather, prime example is tompsons track not to long ago. large land slip = no access had nothing to do with the years of tyres large and small that been thru there. (not that I ever have)
can we blame mother nature and rant on about how iresponsible she is? I bet we would if we could.
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Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
soooo to put it all into a nut shell it comes down us the drivers to manage our tracks by a) using appropriate tyres for the terrain. b)getting out and using a spade/shovel.c) appling a bit of common sense.
It also requires us to try and educate those we introduce to the sport to help minimize damage to enable others and ourselves to come back and do it all over again.
But if its private land and you have PERMISSION. the ignore the above and rip into it
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This is all said with a smile and a laid back attatude
It also requires us to try and educate those we introduce to the sport to help minimize damage to enable others and ourselves to come back and do it all over again.
But if its private land and you have PERMISSION. the ignore the above and rip into it
.This is all said with a smile and a laid back attatude
Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
I don't post much here on ORE but here is my small bit of input.
Oh and 10 pages made for a interesting Sunday night read
As a kid while mowing the lawns for mum in the winter the push mower would leave deeper ruts in the lawn than my 2.5t patrol running slick 31" over similar wet ground.. tire size has NOTHING to do with it.
To maintain access to private and DOC land EVERYONE needs to have 3 things in there mind when being offroad
1. An understanding of there truck knowing its capabilitys being able to look at a track and think to them selves yes I can drive it or give it a go once or twice if ya make it sweet if not lets find a bypass or there is no way im going to make that I'm only going to damage my truck and the track.
2. little bit of commen seance, if your on a main track/access etc etc track where is the fun in ripping the shite out of it (personally I would rather be playing bingo with the elderly) go and have fun on the side tracks where you can spin ya wheels and find the limits of your truck but don't be a knob and just sit there moving no where digging big holes.
3. RESPECT or the lack of, in my view probably the biggest thing that is going to stop US the 4x4 community from getting access to land. If you have been granted permission to private land and have been asked to stay out of places STAY OUT OF THEM! If you do have to travel on land that may be in the grey area of should I be here is it really that hard or expensive to say to the land owner sorry and at least offer to go back next weekend with a bag of grass seed to sprinkle over your wheel tracks? If your on approved DOC land and there is a donation box put a donation is to help to pay for track maintence etc etc
But hey it seems you can't teach "some old dogs" new tricks I guess
Just another thought how about imposing a rule that EVERY 4x4 / SUV / Remuera tractor owner must either belong to a 4x4 club or do a NZQA approved course?
http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/nqfdocs/units/pdf/18492.pdf
That's all I have to say for now
Cheers Yael
Oh and 10 pages made for a interesting Sunday night read
As a kid while mowing the lawns for mum in the winter the push mower would leave deeper ruts in the lawn than my 2.5t patrol running slick 31"
over similar wet ground.. tire size has NOTHING to do with it. To maintain access to private and DOC land EVERYONE needs to have 3 things in there mind when being offroad
1. An understanding of there truck knowing its capabilitys being able to look at a track and think to them selves yes I can drive it or give it a go once or twice if ya make it sweet if not lets find a bypass or there is no way im going to make that I'm only going to damage my truck and the track.
2. little bit of commen seance, if your on a main track/access etc etc track where is the fun in ripping the shite out of it (personally I would rather be playing bingo with the elderly) go and have fun on the side tracks where you can spin ya wheels and find the limits of your truck but don't be a knob and just sit there moving no where digging big holes.
3. RESPECT or the lack of, in my view probably the biggest thing that is going to stop US the 4x4 community from getting access to land. If you have been granted permission to private land and have been asked to stay out of places STAY OUT OF THEM! If you do have to travel on land that may be in the grey area of should I be here is it really that hard or expensive to say to the land owner sorry and at least offer to go back next weekend with a bag of grass seed to sprinkle over your wheel tracks? If your on approved DOC land and there is a donation box put a donation is to help to pay for track maintence etc etc
But hey it seems you can't teach "some old dogs" new tricks I guess
Just another thought how about imposing a rule that EVERY 4x4 / SUV / Remuera tractor owner must either belong to a 4x4 club or do a NZQA approved course?
http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/nqfdocs/units/pdf/18492.pdf
That's all I have to say for now
Cheers Yael
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Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
I don't believe big tyres has got much to to do with tracks getting dug out
Here is a video clip from 15 years ago when everyone had little 750x16s or 32 radials
Notice how deep the hole was already getting.
Here is another photo of around the same time .Notice the little tyres but how deep the holes were getting. So big tyres were not to blame. Spot Smurf in the picture with a different hair style. Some may also remember Lou Johnson co founder of the coast to Coast event with his little Rocky on 31s
I think the damage is caused more by over use every weekend with loosening the top and then the rain doing the rest. Years ago we would take 50 trucks through a track on a "Coast to Coast" and then the track wouldn't be used again for another year so the ground had time to recover.
The other thing that did a lot of damage down Murry's way was Ken Sibley's book alerting everyone in NZ to farm tracks and once again over use.
I have also noticed most people running too much tyre pressure ( between 20-30 lbs) instead of making a bigger foot print with under 10 lbs . Jafa runs about 3 lbs
This shows why a bigger tyre is better. In 1948 the biggest tyre available was a 600x16 on 4.5 rims( less than 28 inches)
Look at the comparison to my 35x11.5 simex which are 8inches higher. The little 48 land Rover tyre did not give you the latitude to run real low pressures because there is not enough side rubber there to start with so a bigger tyre is better because you can lower the pressure and still have the same ground clearance as the little tyre blown up tight with less damage to the track
Cheers Richard
Here is a video clip from 15 years ago when everyone had little 750x16s or 32 radials
Notice how deep the hole was already getting.
Here is another photo of around the same time .Notice the little tyres but how deep the holes were getting. So big tyres were not to blame. Spot Smurf in the picture with a different hair style. Some may also remember Lou Johnson co founder of the coast to Coast event with his little Rocky on 31s
I think the damage is caused more by over use every weekend with loosening the top and then the rain doing the rest. Years ago we would take 50 trucks through a track on a "Coast to Coast" and then the track wouldn't be used again for another year so the ground had time to recover.
The other thing that did a lot of damage down Murry's way was Ken Sibley's book alerting everyone in NZ to farm tracks and once again over use.
I have also noticed most people running too much tyre pressure ( between 20-30 lbs) instead of making a bigger foot print with under 10 lbs . Jafa runs about 3 lbs
This shows why a bigger tyre is better. In 1948 the biggest tyre available was a 600x16 on 4.5 rims( less than 28 inches)
Look at the comparison to my 35x11.5 simex which are 8inches higher. The little 48 land Rover tyre did not give you the latitude to run real low pressures because there is not enough side rubber there to start with so a bigger tyre is better because you can lower the pressure and still have the same ground clearance as the little tyre blown up tight with less damage to the track
Cheers Richard
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Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
yael wrote:
Just another thought how about imposing a rule that EVERY 4x4 / SUV / Remuera tractor owner must either belong to a 4x4 club or do a NZQA approved course?
http://www.nzqa.govt.nz/nqfdocs/units/pdf/18492.pdf
That's all I have to say for now
Cheers Yael
Hell no ...thats the last thing we need ....I liken having to join a club to drive my road legal (certified) vehicle compulsory unionism ....if i want to join an organisation its because i want too...not because the govt or any other money grubbing organisation or individual else says i have to..... same goes for courses ..ill go if i want to go (& i have done one in the past already)
Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
I think, as a 4wd community we need to act together to stop the bureaucrats taking over. Look at the new lift rulz. If we divide over such issues and agree with them we do not stand a chance. Greenys and doc do not like damage to forests parks. Roads through state forest parks do cause damage in one way or another.
Tax payer land is our land and 4wders are the only people using 4wds on those tracks.
Is it a privilege or a right to 4wd on our tax payers land?
Big tires and small, riverbank rippers and canterbury river crazy's are all part of our community.
I am of the opinion that clubs should be used only for safety reasons not anything else
Tax payer land is our land and 4wders are the only people using 4wds on those tracks.
Is it a privilege or a right to 4wd on our tax payers land?
Big tires and small, riverbank rippers and canterbury river crazy's are all part of our community.
I am of the opinion that clubs should be used only for safety reasons not anything else
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Re: Managing tracks, not tyre size. by Peter Vahry
holly hell, this post turned into a 15 year olds face book page with all the bitching going on,
i have to say in my opinion of being on a few tracks etc
normally if there is one big rut its not from a open diff its from rain washing off and if there is a bog whole with two ruts its normally idoits seeing how far they can go in 2wd, wat we need to do it tie them idiots and sit them in one of the wash outs,
wash outs can be fun due to technical difilty and can just be a pain other times, track management dose need to be done, even if your out on ya own if y a see a problem rising you get a spade and do a little bit to help, if you don't repair ya truck ya cant use a track and if ya don't repair a track ya can't use ya truck,
i have to say in my opinion of being on a few tracks etc
normally if there is one big rut its not from a open diff its from rain washing off and if there is a bog whole with two ruts its normally idoits seeing how far they can go in 2wd, wat we need to do it tie them idiots and sit them in one of the wash outs,
wash outs can be fun due to technical difilty and can just be a pain other times, track management dose need to be done, even if your out on ya own if y a see a problem rising you get a spade and do a little bit to help, if you don't repair ya truck ya cant use a track and if ya don't repair a track ya can't use ya truck,