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KiwiBacon wrote:

vvega wrote:umm no
cylander presure is the reason for det in a petrol engine as well
and timing will not always fix it

run to lean ... you get det and burnt valves
run to rich .. you get bore wash
run to much timing you get det and burnt valves
run to little timing you get massive egt's
run to much compresson .. you get det
run to little compression.. it wont go
then we go onto cam phasing air intake temps the quality of your swirl and tumble boundry layer effects pulse tuning of the intake and the exhaust, valve material

there are so many reasons you get det its not funny in a petrol engine .. seriously
if all you have to do with a d is thrown in fuel and boost untill it goes bang then you have it easy
petrols and more specifically 2 strokes make d's look like kids playfrom a tuning aspect
so please ... dont make it sound like a petrol is eazy ... when its far from it

The point was, you can't use timing on a diesel to avoid detonation. If you've got it, then a few degrees of advance or retard won't stop it.
Basically you've gotta pull any fuel that can detonate, right back to where it won't.

well honestly thats simple stuff ant it ... do you think det sould go away by itself ?
welcom to the world of getting the most you can from a engine

KiwiBacon wrote:

mudzilla wrote:Hummm,You kids have had an interesting night...So ,,when exactly is my HiLux about to blow up ? It's been liveing on LPG happily for 5yrs or more.. Only one misshap with a couple cracked pistons ( Dont start Mr Bacon ) due to a switch/brain fade and dose of LPG on a stone cold engine.

Sounds like it already has.

thats hardly vindication as much as he could have shot it with a 308 and casued the same damage
your incorrect and everyone knows it ...continuinung to fight is not your best option

Exactly VV. If you dont get out of bed in the morning ,nothing will ever go wrong.

vvega wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:

mudzilla wrote:Hummm,You kids have had an interesting night...So ,,when exactly is my HiLux about to blow up ? It's been liveing on LPG happily for 5yrs or more.. Only one misshap with a couple cracked pistons ( Dont start Mr Bacon ) due to a switch/brain fade and dose of LPG on a stone cold engine.

Sounds like it already has.

thats hardly vindication as much as he could have shot it with a 308 and casued the same damage
your incorrect and everyone knows it ...continuinung to fight is not your best option

I didn't think ORE had this many male cheerleaders.
I'd love to see you guys at a horse race, you'd be carrying a dead horse over the finish line and trying to claim the win.

Shooting engines to crack pistons? When will the ludicrous arguments stop?
With the 1000Nm fumigated dyno chart maybe?

Wopass should post up on outerlimits with his 1000Nm cruiser.

keen to see your toy in action... and your truck :d
... can we have a picture of your lawn ?? ive been told its quite lush

NO SKIDS !!!!

Not disputing that LPG injection can give useful HP gains, (at questionable reliability) but after 7 pages of waffle and still no dyno sheet showing 970Nm from a 4.2 diesel 6cyl.....

Someone needs to put-up or shut-up.

KiwiBacon wrote:

mudzilla wrote:Hummm,You kids have had an interesting night...So ,,when exactly is my HiLux about to blow up ? It's been liveing on LPG happily for 5yrs or more.. [b]Only one misshap with a couple cracked pistons ( Dont start Mr Bacon ) due to a switch/brain fade and dose of LPG on a stone cold engine.

I didn't think ORE had this many male cheerleaders.

When will the ludicrous arguments stop?

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well i was thinking the same thing
if you had ever done any tuning you would honestly see how stupid your arguement is
its like watching someone dropping themselfves into a vat of acid .. its horrible to watch ... but i just cant look away
its not about cheer leading ... its about blind ignorance ... sometimes kiwi its hard to be humble ... but it sure as hell woudlnt hurt

GQTROL wrote:Not disputing that LPG injection can give useful HP gains, (at questionable reliability) but after 7 pages of waffle and still no dyno sheet showing 970Nm from a 4.2 diesel 6cyl.....

Someone needs to put-up or shut-up.

but thats not the arguement
aprently you run fume .. and you engine will instantly turn into a lump of molten metal

vvega wrote:but thats not the arguement
aprently you run fume .. and you engine will instantly turn into a lump of molten metal

There's something in the waikato water that stops people reading. Here it is again.

kiwibacon wrote:LPG fumigation is bollocks and very hard on the engine for the power it delivers. Stick to diesel tuning, plenty of examples of hot-rod duramax on the net.

GQTROL wrote:Not disputing that LPG injection can give useful HP gains, (at questionable reliability) but after 7 pages of waffle and still no dyno sheet showing 970Nm from a 4.2 diesel 6cyl.....

Someone needs to put-up or shut-up.

The numbers ain't the point!!!!!!

Especially when we can't evn agree that done correctly LPG fumigation works well!!!!

Even if it was a 5% gain in power and economy, its still worth it for the expense, and if it doesn't stuff your motor, then why wouldn't you.

As has been said, there are a shit load of diesels running out there with LPG quite happily, the AUS Govt is even subsidising them being put into diesel 4x4's over there, and those ozzy boys do some serious outback miles and need optimum reliability.

Who give's a f3ck what the dyno figures where???

All i care about is the fact that he did get a huge Hp gain, and it has done some hard work towing a camper around the country and is still running strong as ever.

GQTROL wrote:Not disputing that LPG injection can give useful HP gains, (at questionable reliability) but after 7 pages of waffle and still no dyno sheet showing 970Nm from a 4.2 diesel 6cyl.....

Someone needs to put-up or shut-up.

I suspect we'll have at least another 7 pages of cheerleading before we see a dyno sheet to backup this

dieselboy wrote:huge Hp gain

The numbers are the point, because without numbers it's all BS.

You'd pay several grand to get a 5% gain?

KiwiBacon wrote:

UBZ wrote:(wonder how it would go with LPG injection.

It'd go bang.

sorry you missed a bit

nice way to missquote yourself buddy

i knew you were wrong .. forgot your a liar as well

KiwiBacon wrote:

GQTROL wrote:Not disputing that LPG injection can give useful HP gains, (at questionable reliability) but after 7 pages of waffle and still no dyno sheet showing 970Nm from a 4.2 diesel 6cyl.....

Someone needs to put-up or shut-up.

I suspect we'll have at least another 7 pages of cheerleading before we see a dyno sheet to backup this

dieselboy wrote:huge Hp gain

The numbers are the point, because without numbers it's all BS.

You'd pay several grand to get a 5% gain?

no kiwi you are bulshit
you misquote yourself and manipulate yourself to twist what you have said into somethign resembiling the truth

who quote a 5% gain .. the artical i posted said 40 % gains were posible
you just cant do it because you ant a tuners arshole .. if you were ... you woudlnt have your engine detinating

this is more about your ego than anythign else and honestly every post you make you lose a lot of respect here

you now have 6? people that think your wrong and your still trying ... do we need moderated intervention ?

vvega wrote:no kiwi you are bulshit
you misquote yourself and manipulate yourself to twist what you have said into somethign resembiling the truth

who quote a 5% gain .. the artical i posted said 40 % gains were posible
you just cant do it because you ant a tuners arshole .. if you were ... you woudlnt have your engine detinating

this is more about your ego than anythign else and honestly every post you make you lose a lot of respect here

you now have 6? people that think your wrong and your still trying ... do we need moderated intervention ?

If you're going to step into straight out personal attacks, you may as well leave before you get banned.

Dieselboy quoted a 5% gain.
Yes LPG does go bang.

These 6 people are all from the waikato and all doing nothing but cheerleading. There is no tech content, your post above is typical.

i posted a pile of tech comment there um kiwi
you just didnt bother to read it because it dosent support your comments
something that also has no tech support (people that blow up there engines though stupidity is not tech)

you misquoted yourself to your own benifit... i didnt do that for you ... its all pritty dam black and white really
im not personally attacking anything ... im stating the obvious


its funny were all cheerleading... but the moment someone posts some support for you .... there talking the truth ....
its a tui add
humility ....yeah right

KiwiBacon wrote:

GQTROL wrote:Not disputing that LPG injection can give useful HP gains, (at questionable reliability) but after 7 pages of waffle and still no dyno sheet showing 970Nm from a 4.2 diesel 6cyl.....

Someone needs to put-up or shut-up.

I suspect we'll have at least another 7 pages of cheerleading before we see a dyno sheet to backup this

dieselboy wrote:huge Hp gain

The numbers are the point, because without numbers it's all BS.

You'd pay several grand to get a 5% gain?

Maaaate, everone reading this thread knows that the only reason you are jumping up and down and waving a flag about these dyno figures is so you can save face.
You have been proven wrong time and time again on this thread, diesel fumigation does work and can be done safely.

You just want to see the dyno figures so you can say that you suspected Wopass remembered wrong, and you were right that 1000nm was B.S. That way you might not look so bad eh???

ITS TOO LATE.

Hell, the dyno sheet could be anywhere, and is most likely not in the glove box of said cruiser. You are pretty unlikely to ever see it, so don't get your hopes up.

Wopass ain't gonna look any worse for not finding the sheet.

But your starting look pretty bloody silly now, especially with your repetative wineing about not seeing the actual chart

Oh wait, how do we know thats the actual chart from the truck??

Ohhh, the dyno mustn't calibrated right....

The tester calculated the wrong

I can see what your gonna say if the dyno sheet apears

careful pete dont call it how it is .. he will think its a personal attack

KiwiBacon wrote:Dieselboy quoted a 5% gain.
Yes LPG does go bang.

These 6 people are all from the waikato and all doing nothing but cheerleading. There is no tech content, your post above is typical.

he said "even if it was 5% gain"

thats not a stat, just a "even if"

and doesent all fuel go bang...isnt that its designed purpose??

the fact of the matter is you said LPG fume is bollocks and your engine will die if you do it. your wrong, it works if done right with good gains.

pretty simple stuff really eh?

so if we are all cheerleaders, does that make us good to look at??? thats sick man!!!, have you seen zilla at 7am???

KiwiBacon wrote:You'd pay several grand to get a 5% gain?

way less than 1k for 15% gain ( Dyno,with print out ) and no , fuk ya , I cant be bothered posting it . and cant be botherd to continue to post on here with all Your kiddy bolocks..by...zzzzzzzzz

vvega wrote:careful pete dont call it how it is .. he will think its a personal attack

sorry Mr Bacon, not ment to be a personal attack, just pointing out how it looks from behind the ropes at the blue corner

mudzilla wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:You'd pay several grand to get a 5% gain?

way less than 1k for 15% gain ( Dyno,with print out ) and no , fuk ya , I cant be bothered posting it . and cant be botherd to continue to post on here with all Your kiddy bolocks..by...zzzzzzzzz

your missing the point
we need a picture of your lush grass

Video uploaded.
Engine shakes like it's running a cylinder short and makes a nice pinging noise.
This is on a warm engine at idle. Without the aggravating heating effect of turbo boost.

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/node/777

KiwiBacon wrote:Video uploaded.
Engine shakes like it's running a cylinder short and makes a nice pinging noise.
This is on a warm engine at idle. Without the aggravating heating effect of turbo boost.

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/node/777

lol what size jets how much are you sticking in
you have a hose up the intake you could be pumping anythng you want up there at any volume

funny how you hear it increase idle and then start rocking about
pritty much shows your putting to much in because there is a point were its fine as it revs up

there should be no differnce at idle to engine speed

as woopass said .. your doing it wrong

cheers for that

Nice fogger kit no wonder you think LPG is shit
Sorry , couldnt help myself, Ok , Thats it , no more posting, im done .

vvega wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:Video uploaded.
Engine shakes like it's running a cylinder short and makes a nice pinging noise.
This is on a warm engine at idle. Without the aggravating heating effect of turbo boost.

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/node/777

lol what size jets how much are you sticking in
you have a hose up the intake you could be pumping anythng you want up there at any volume

funny how you hear it increase idle and then start rocking about
pritty much shows your putting to much in because there is a point were its fine as it revs up

there should be no differnce at idle to engine speed

as woopass said .. your doing it wrong

cheers for that

This is proof that LPG detonates at levels that aren't sufficient to run an engine at idle. What's that about 2kw worth of fuel?
If you're running enough to notice a power difference then you're running on detonation.

Now I suggest you take your mooloo cheerleaders off in search of that 970Nm dyno chart.

mudzilla wrote::lol: Nice fogger kit no wonder you think LPG is shit
Sorry , couldnt help myself, Ok , Thats it , no more posting, im done .

That's not even enough gas to run an engine at idle. How many kw worth of gas are you injecting? How many times that volume?

This is why most gas kits turn off at idle, because it makes people think something is badly wrong with their engine. Mostly because it is.

KiwiBacon wrote:

vvega wrote:

KiwiBacon wrote:Video uploaded.
Engine shakes like it's running a cylinder short and makes a nice pinging noise.
This is on a warm engine at idle. Without the aggravating heating effect of turbo boost.

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/node/777

lol what size jets how much are you sticking in
you have a hose up the intake you could be pumping anythng you want up there at any volume

funny how you hear it increase idle and then start rocking about
pritty much shows your putting to much in because there is a point were its fine as it revs up

there should be no differnce at idle to engine speed

as woopass said .. your doing it wrong

cheers for that

This is proof that LPG detonates at levels that aren't sufficient to run an engine at idle. What's that about 2kw worth of fuel?
If you're running enough to notice a power difference then you're running on detonation.

Now I suggest you take your mooloo cheerleaders off in search of that 970Nm dyno chart.

the only thing this proves in that you have no idea what your doing

you just tried to add 2kw of fuel to idle ... if i did that to a petrol engine .. it would stop running
can you not see how stupid that was ?? seriously ?? honestly
i seriously thing your pulling my leg now .. there is just no way you could have ever expected that to work

i mean honesty ??? are you honestly serious ??
.. so in that theroy you woudl have to add 200kw of fuel at 100 % throttle ....
comon this has to be a joke

you have enough fuel to make your car idle.. then add 2kw more ? and think it will be cosha ??
serious ?

i mean honestly .. were do you think that 2kw of energy is going ?
there is no place for it to except into heat .. and loook OMG its detinating... comon ... seriouslyy ?

vvega wrote:i mean honestly .. were do you think that 2kw of energy is going ?
there is no place for it to except into heat .. and loook OMG its detinating... comon ... seriouslyy ?

Do you have a clue how diesel engines work?
This is not a petrol, they don't die if you feed them more fuel, they speed up.

Diesels can only detonate if the fuel is added to the wrong place, that wrong place is the incoming air stream. I have just shown that LPG detonates (something which you and others have aggressively opposed) and now you're saying that I'm doing it wrong.

That's the problem, there is no way to introduce lpg to a diesel engine like mine in a way that it will not detonate. You can reduce the volumes until the symptoms are drowned out by the engines own noise and vibration, but that's all you can do.

The only way to introduce lpg to a diesel and not have it detonate is to inject it in exactly the same manner as diesel already is. None of these kits can do that.