put me down for a 12000lb 12v please.
turoa.royal@visit.co.nz
Cheap Winchs 9500lbs $400 made in china
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A quick update,
New prices
EW 9500lbs with cordless remote $ 192US plus freight
EW 12000lbs with cordless remote $ 218 plus freight
he is also saying he may be able to get a bulk courier price delivered to your door and couriers have there own insurance
Cheers
Graham
New prices
EW 9500lbs with cordless remote $ 192US plus freight
EW 12000lbs with cordless remote $ 218 plus freight
he is also saying he may be able to get a bulk courier price delivered to your door and couriers have there own insurance
Cheers
Graham
Nissan Safari SWB Auto ,50mm suspension Lift , 50mm body lift, 12000lbs winch,
33x12.5x15 Perilli scorpion muds
33x12.5x15 Perilli scorpion muds
minefield wrote:Turoa,
Check your email address it keeps comming back no such address ???
Graham
hmm, sorry graham. I think our email servers down. its not receiving anything
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try turoa.royal@gmail.com
Cheers
stinky wrote: i will see what i can do one the plasma rope if anyones intrested
You beauty :thumright:
I am very interested
There are a couple of manufacturers on the Made in China website which may be worth investigating as well.
The Dyneema rope is made in Holland literally just down the road from where I used to live, went past the DSM factory all the time. So I guess all the Chinese do is cut it to lenght, terminate the winch end and splice the other end to take a timble and hook.
So for quality of rope it doesn't really matter wether you buy "made in China" or not as it the rope itself all comes from the same factory in Holland.
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Think I'll wait and see now how this order turns out and how many/if any of the winches have defects as I've sen a lot of product come in from china and fail because of bad quality from the last place i used to work.
If it all turns out ok I'm wondering how much interest there would be for another order later on?
Mike
If it all turns out ok I'm wondering how much interest there would be for another order later on?
Mike
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1994 Toyota Surf
1994 Toyota Surf
minefield, i email you this also.
can we add to your list one more 12,000lb,12v electric with out cable
remmington270@hotmail.com
can we add to your list one more 12,000lb,12v electric with out cable
remmington270@hotmail.com
um i just read threw the last 6 or so pages, hoping someone would post something warning u guys there is a bloody good chance u will lose your money.
I was importing stuff out of china for years, mainly motorcycles, parts etc.
10 years ago i was one of the first and have done a few million of trading
with china, without a agent you know and trust, it is a minefeild
i was talking to somone the other day lost 30k recently
most of the internet sites are cons.
DO NOT SEND MONEY OVERSEAS FIRST.
get bank to set you up a l/c (letter of credit) costs 100 bucks or so, u can get the seller to agree that the letter of credit expries( he gets money) when goods arrive.
If he doesn,t agree, the walk away.
one other thing, frankly if winches were any good, myself or a reputable company would be importing them and selling them.
reason we can,t is they crap out like all chinese stuff, and we end up in small claims.
u get what u pay for
Pics they send u, quite often not what arrives
biggest flashest websites, look really well set up, quite often fake
only trying to help, i will not sell anything chinese anymore
and they are not getting any better, people expecatations getting lower
I was importing stuff out of china for years, mainly motorcycles, parts etc.
10 years ago i was one of the first and have done a few million of trading
with china, without a agent you know and trust, it is a minefeild
i was talking to somone the other day lost 30k recently
most of the internet sites are cons.
DO NOT SEND MONEY OVERSEAS FIRST.
get bank to set you up a l/c (letter of credit) costs 100 bucks or so, u can get the seller to agree that the letter of credit expries( he gets money) when goods arrive.
If he doesn,t agree, the walk away.
one other thing, frankly if winches were any good, myself or a reputable company would be importing them and selling them.
reason we can,t is they crap out like all chinese stuff, and we end up in small claims.
u get what u pay for
Pics they send u, quite often not what arrives
biggest flashest websites, look really well set up, quite often fake
only trying to help, i will not sell anything chinese anymore
and they are not getting any better, people expecatations getting lower
I am not buying, but at the same I don't believe you can make such big generalisations about everything made in China. Yes, there would be con artists in any market, but does that mean everything is useless?
As for the letter of credit, that is a good suggestion for a large order. The bank will only release the payment per your terms (mostly at presentation of proof of shipment - such as a bill of lading from a shipping company). You can put an expiry date for shipment, if the shipper does not send it prior to that - the letter of credit expires and no money is exchange (except for probably the bank fee for setting up the letter of credit).
As for the letter of credit, that is a good suggestion for a large order. The bank will only release the payment per your terms (mostly at presentation of proof of shipment - such as a bill of lading from a shipping company). You can put an expiry date for shipment, if the shipper does not send it prior to that - the letter of credit expires and no money is exchange (except for probably the bank fee for setting up the letter of credit).
a while ago i nearly got taken, t/t around 15k for some samples on a friday once chink thought it was done, (u normally can,t reverse a t/t)
he started back tracking etc.
My missus shows up at bank monday morn and because they had mucked up at the bank we got money back.
Someone i was talking to the other day, was conversing with a chinese company, big flashy website lots of stock etc etc etc
he descides on a whim to fly over and have a look, address was fake, traced phone number to a housing estate, went round there in taxi and they were jumping out windows etc to get away (6foot guy with tats)
i,ve been to china, some of the factories have dirt floors and are run by familys, they buy a few parts here and a few there, they keep no stock only make to order.
someone has a computer and they start selling products to some gringo halfway around the world.
Of course nearly everything comes from china and yep there are big mainly reputable companys.
but tread carfully, i,ll be first to admit i,m wrong when all u guys get your winches and they are good.but as a rule u get what u pay for.
i don,t sell 4x4 gear but i get called in to the court as a tech witness , usually some backyard importer has peddled a few bikes off on trade me and it all goes pear shaped when customer takes him to court cause it broke first ride.
like what has been in the media recently with lead paint in kids toys, other chemicals in clothes etc they don,t really give a shit.........
even asking for samples don,t work, u get one re-branded good one, followed by 10 of their own rubbish ones.
he started back tracking etc.
My missus shows up at bank monday morn and because they had mucked up at the bank we got money back.
Someone i was talking to the other day, was conversing with a chinese company, big flashy website lots of stock etc etc etc
he descides on a whim to fly over and have a look, address was fake, traced phone number to a housing estate, went round there in taxi and they were jumping out windows etc to get away (6foot guy with tats)
i,ve been to china, some of the factories have dirt floors and are run by familys, they buy a few parts here and a few there, they keep no stock only make to order.
someone has a computer and they start selling products to some gringo halfway around the world.
Of course nearly everything comes from china and yep there are big mainly reputable companys.
but tread carfully, i,ll be first to admit i,m wrong when all u guys get your winches and they are good.but as a rule u get what u pay for.
i don,t sell 4x4 gear but i get called in to the court as a tech witness , usually some backyard importer has peddled a few bikes off on trade me and it all goes pear shaped when customer takes him to court cause it broke first ride.
like what has been in the media recently with lead paint in kids toys, other chemicals in clothes etc they don,t really give a shit.........
even asking for samples don,t work, u get one re-branded good one, followed by 10 of their own rubbish ones.
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It's easy sit on the fence and be negative we used to rubbished the Japs years ago it was all jap junk now it's china junk ,
Well the Japs have come a long way now it's chinas turn, Everyone has or wears Chinese made clothes, As for the winches members of our 4wd club run China made winches and had no problems, You talk about waterproof , Warn winches are not,
As for payment , I have stated, I will use a letter of credit and waiting for what terms he requires, Still around $ 300 nz is not bad for a 12000lbs winch with cordless remote
Graham
Well the Japs have come a long way now it's chinas turn, Everyone has or wears Chinese made clothes, As for the winches members of our 4wd club run China made winches and had no problems, You talk about waterproof , Warn winches are not,
As for payment , I have stated, I will use a letter of credit and waiting for what terms he requires, Still around $ 300 nz is not bad for a 12000lbs winch with cordless remote
Graham
Nissan Safari SWB Auto ,50mm suspension Lift , 50mm body lift, 12000lbs winch,
33x12.5x15 Perilli scorpion muds
33x12.5x15 Perilli scorpion muds
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/printerfri ... drcrd.html
Good article by popular science regarding Chinese manufacturing on a time line basis.
Talks about iPhones / MP3 players mainly but the crux of it is
But yes I am still doubtful of the Chinese stuff - but at the price we are paying i am willing to take the risk.
Good article by popular science regarding Chinese manufacturing on a time line basis.
Talks about iPhones / MP3 players mainly but the crux of it is
The ability to clone such technologically sophisticated products is a recent development in China. A report issued by the consulting firm A.T. Kearney breaks the growth of China's cloners into five distinct periods. The first, in the 1980s, was primitive, consisting mostly of cheap textile knockoffs like Mickey Mouse shirts. The second, starting around 1990, still involved clothing and accessories, but with enough authenticity—high-quality Nike and Reebok fakes led the way—to be accepted as handy substitutes by thrift-conscious Westerners. By the middle of that decade, Chinese copiers had moved from basic trademark infringement into low-end technology products: Duracell batteries and DVDs. From there, the study says, an era of "advanced technology piracy" began. Functionally close-to-the-mark products like Callaway golf clubs and counterfeit automotive safety glass appeared in 1998. By the millennium, piracy had reached levels of refinement that saw China offering functional duplicates of Intel processors, Viagra tablets and Bosch power tools.
In many ways, this is similar to the path industrial powerhouses like Japan and South Korea have taken. China has gone from making only cheap, toss-away goods, like budget toys and portable CD players, to creating alternatives to nearly every one of the West's most admired brands. But China is unique in that—as with its modernization in general—it's doing so at an accelerated pace, going from shoddy to quality in little more than a decade. "
But yes I am still doubtful of the Chinese stuff - but at the price we are paying i am willing to take the risk.
Yes, there are definitely risks. But that is just life really isn't it. I for one am not in a position to pay $800 for a winch purchased here (but still out of China) or $1800 for named brand, so to me it's worth the risk for the (up to) $340 that it's going to cost to get one landed.
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OK guys. This is still going ahead. I have spoken with minefield directly and he is proceeding with the order.
I am going to deal with receiving the goods and getting them through Customs here in Wellington and will then distribute them as required. There are a number of people in Wellington that will be able to just pick them up and I can get them across the Cook Strait for free. Minefield is in Picton, so they can be picked up, freighted or hitch-hike south from there (I may even just do a run down to ChCh for the sake of it). Someone may be travelling through the North Island at some stage too. I will arrange with people who require it to be freighted to them once they arrive here (ie, I'll arrange courier, you pay me the money, I send it).
So, I've done a bit of research to ensure that we are on track. I have found out from Customs that we do not have to pay any Duty on something labelled as "Automotive Electric Winch". We do have to pay GST on the total CIF (Cost, Insurance and Freight) value once it arrives. I will handle all this once it lands on Wellington Wharf.
I spoke to a guy at ASB International Trade Services who said that a Letter of Credit is really more suitable for protecting the supplier rather than the purchaser. He also said that it wouldn't really be cost effective for us as it was about $200 or $250. He suggested that we are better off doing a half-half deal with the supplier - pay half up front and half on delivery. This is something minefield can negotiate with them.
I am working on an insurance quote at the moment through my old Master at Coastguard. I should be able to get a good price on that and minefield will post details to everybody on his mailing list for them to decide whether they want it or not (it would have to be a group vote of yes or no, the cost of which would be divided between everyone). At this stage it looks as though it may be as little as $150, spread out between 20 people would be $7.50 each. Might be worth it.
I have also enquired about a brokerage service. They can either just do the customs clearance or they can arrange the full freight forwarding from the port in China to the depot in Wgtn (including Customs clearance). Full freight forwarding is probably going to cost US$100-110/cubic metre, so I don't think that it's really worth it. And the customs clearance is relatively straight forward and something that I can do easily enough. So flag that one....
So the big question is... how much are they going to cost? My calculations, based on the info Minefield has been able to get from the supplier, work out to be between $310 and $340 depending what you order (size, 12/24V, with/without wire rope), including freight, GST and the Customs Import Entry Transaction Fee of $25.38.
Next Step
If you want one, get in quick. The order is going to go through soon so if you haven't already then PM minefield (use this link to PM him) the following details:
* Full name
* Email address
* Delivery address (whether getting it delivered or not)
* Type of winch required
* Voltage
* Whether you want the wire rope or not
Once he receives this info then he can put together the order and then can let you know the total cost and how it is to be paid.
Good stuff. Let's do it!
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OK guys. This is still going ahead. I have spoken with minefield directly and he is proceeding with the order.
I am going to deal with receiving the goods and getting them through Customs here in Wellington and will then distribute them as required. There are a number of people in Wellington that will be able to just pick them up and I can get them across the Cook Strait for free. Minefield is in Picton, so they can be picked up, freighted or hitch-hike south from there (I may even just do a run down to ChCh for the sake of it). Someone may be travelling through the North Island at some stage too. I will arrange with people who require it to be freighted to them once they arrive here (ie, I'll arrange courier, you pay me the money, I send it).
So, I've done a bit of research to ensure that we are on track. I have found out from Customs that we do not have to pay any Duty on something labelled as "Automotive Electric Winch". We do have to pay GST on the total CIF (Cost, Insurance and Freight) value once it arrives. I will handle all this once it lands on Wellington Wharf.
I spoke to a guy at ASB International Trade Services who said that a Letter of Credit is really more suitable for protecting the supplier rather than the purchaser. He also said that it wouldn't really be cost effective for us as it was about $200 or $250. He suggested that we are better off doing a half-half deal with the supplier - pay half up front and half on delivery. This is something minefield can negotiate with them.
I am working on an insurance quote at the moment through my old Master at Coastguard. I should be able to get a good price on that and minefield will post details to everybody on his mailing list for them to decide whether they want it or not (it would have to be a group vote of yes or no, the cost of which would be divided between everyone). At this stage it looks as though it may be as little as $150, spread out between 20 people would be $7.50 each. Might be worth it.
I have also enquired about a brokerage service. They can either just do the customs clearance or they can arrange the full freight forwarding from the port in China to the depot in Wgtn (including Customs clearance). Full freight forwarding is probably going to cost US$100-110/cubic metre, so I don't think that it's really worth it. And the customs clearance is relatively straight forward and something that I can do easily enough. So flag that one....
So the big question is... how much are they going to cost? My calculations, based on the info Minefield has been able to get from the supplier, work out to be between $310 and $340 depending what you order (size, 12/24V, with/without wire rope), including freight, GST and the Customs Import Entry Transaction Fee of $25.38.
Next Step
If you want one, get in quick. The order is going to go through soon so if you haven't already then PM minefield (use this link to PM him) the following details:
* Full name
* Email address
* Delivery address (whether getting it delivered or not)
* Type of winch required
* Voltage
* Whether you want the wire rope or not
Once he receives this info then he can put together the order and then can let you know the total cost and how it is to be paid.
Good stuff. Let's do it!
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Rope
Im waiting to hear back from my supplyer on both plasma and wire but numbers would be helpfull
Re: Rope
stinky wrote:Im waiting to hear back from my supplyer on both plasma and wire but numbers would be helpfull
Cookes sell plasma...
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MG Cars are made in China now, Airbus is making 70% of their aricraft and parts there, IBM, INTEL, HP, Acer and Apple computers are made there and most structural steel is made there. Yes learning who to talk to and where to get things organised takes a bit do your homework but China is no longer as backward as you think.
The difference used to be in cost of Labour and poor assembly but they now build quality products for large companies and as there are no copyright laws in China so they re-manufacture (change some of the bearings to bushes, chain drive stuff rather than shaft drive and cheaper metal's) an identical product under a different name no warranty and it lasts for maybe half the time but at 1/3 the cost.
They may not be able to make a silicon chip or produce something of their own but give then something to tool up to duplicate and the do it and do it cheap
The difference used to be in cost of Labour and poor assembly but they now build quality products for large companies and as there are no copyright laws in China so they re-manufacture (change some of the bearings to bushes, chain drive stuff rather than shaft drive and cheaper metal's) an identical product under a different name no warranty and it lasts for maybe half the time but at 1/3 the cost.
They may not be able to make a silicon chip or produce something of their own but give then something to tool up to duplicate and the do it and do it cheap
Well, if i may put my hat in the ring here.
Scaffolding is something that is being cloned en-masse out of china. I have heard of one company in Auckland that imported half mill of gear, only to have it condemned due to shithouse quality of steel used.
On the other side of the coin there is a German company here with a crash hot product that manufacturs their gear in Germany and sends it all over the world.... its outstanding stuff, at ridiculously expensive prices. Theyve had a strangle of the market for their particular brand of product and have, in my opinion, raped and pillaged. Another company has a plant in China that is making the exact replica of the former product. I have seen the test certs and it is testing SUPERIOR to the German product across the board, and the components are a fraction of the price, and i mean a FRACTION. $70.00 for one particular component i can get for $8.00. So, we can get a better product, at a fraction of the cost.
As earlier said, just cause its out of China doesnt make it crap.
Scaffolding is something that is being cloned en-masse out of china. I have heard of one company in Auckland that imported half mill of gear, only to have it condemned due to shithouse quality of steel used.
On the other side of the coin there is a German company here with a crash hot product that manufacturs their gear in Germany and sends it all over the world.... its outstanding stuff, at ridiculously expensive prices. Theyve had a strangle of the market for their particular brand of product and have, in my opinion, raped and pillaged. Another company has a plant in China that is making the exact replica of the former product. I have seen the test certs and it is testing SUPERIOR to the German product across the board, and the components are a fraction of the price, and i mean a FRACTION. $70.00 for one particular component i can get for $8.00. So, we can get a better product, at a fraction of the cost.
As earlier said, just cause its out of China doesnt make it crap.
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My hat goes off to Mark and Graham (Minefield)
They are doing the hard work here and I don't know how the rest of you who are ordering winches feel about it but I think it is appropiate Mark and Graham get some sort of reward for their efforts once this deal goes through.
I am thinking some sort of a subsidy on their winch, or freight and insurance or both. This subsidy divided amongt the other 20+ or so winch buyers would not be a great price to pay. If we added a "Mark and Graham" tax of $10.00 or $15.00 per winch we could reduce their cost between $100.00 to $125.00 each to show our appreciation.
What is the general feeling about this?
They are doing the hard work here and I don't know how the rest of you who are ordering winches feel about it but I think it is appropiate Mark and Graham get some sort of reward for their efforts once this deal goes through.
I am thinking some sort of a subsidy on their winch, or freight and insurance or both. This subsidy divided amongt the other 20+ or so winch buyers would not be a great price to pay. If we added a "Mark and Graham" tax of $10.00 or $15.00 per winch we could reduce their cost between $100.00 to $125.00 each to show our appreciation.
What is the general feeling about this?
1992 Land Rover Discovery V8i, 5 speed, 12000lbs winch, Salisbury rear, 110 front, 65mm spring lift, dents in every panel, Rallywoods pinstriping.