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Ok Shiny alert!! ,

Whats the best method of tackling soft sand, bar driving it like it was your ex-wives...

What sort of tyre pressure is best to run?

I have heard that nearly bald basically flat tyres are great for the soft sand,but in the V8 I found the traction to be not that fantasic with the balding tyres.

In the Rugger I actually found the new ATXs good and the new Durangos even better.

Any help would be appreciated....

D1HARD wrote:Ok Shiny alert!! ,


I have heard that nearly bald basically flat tyres are great for the soft sand,but in the V8 I found the traction to be not that fantasic with the balding tyres.

Any help would be appreciated....

You right on the money there.
Traction is not the issue in sand, its the digging holes and berrying your self with you chunky tyres and whatchin the tide come in over you preciouse wagon that is the issue

Grunty tyres are great on sand for traction as you said. No doubt.

But with road or bald tyres, you won't berry your self. You will find you can actually climd sand dunes better with the smooth tyres, as you can wheel spin the whole way up with out digging holes and coming to a stop.

As soon as you spin in that situation with grunty mud tyres, you dig a hole, and your screwed.

DieselBoy wrote:

D1HARD wrote:Ok Shiny alert!! ,


I have heard that nearly bald basically flat tyres are great for the soft sand,but in the V8 I found the traction to be not that fantasic with the balding tyres.

Any help would be appreciated....

You right on the money there.
Traction is not the issue in sand, its the digging holes and berrying your self with you chunky tyres and whatchin the tide come in over you preciouse wagon that is the issue

Grunty tyres are great on sand for traction as you said. No doubt.

But with road or bald tyres, you won't berry your self. You will find you can actually climd sand dunes better with the smooth tyres, as you can wheel spin the whole way up with out digging holes and coming to a stop.

As soon as you spin in that situation with grunty mud tyres, you dig a hole, and your screwed.

Thanks for that DeiselBoy...

What sort of tyres are best for sand and rocks then?,its basically a coastal environment....is there a sand specific tread pattern or is it a case of MUD or ALL TERRAIN...?

The Durangos werent the most expensive but seemed to sleuce the sand out and away from the truck,somewhat similar to the effect that rain tyres have on water.

And I guess the wider the better for floatation?? I was told that 33s would fit on my Surf...??

man im slow today, missing all the Q&A...

what deisel said ... big feet with no diggers let down to about 15-20lbs all terrains are great for the average sand/town/hard dirt 4x4'ing but if your gonna be going mud as well the AT's will ... for sand you want floatation to stay on top and not dig in.


"slip sliiiiiding awayyyyyyyy... slip sliiiiiiding awaa..aaaayyyy. you know the closer your destination the more you slip sliiiiiide awayyyy"paul simon.

hehhheh sounds like to me you need a set of 33x12.5x15 AT's slung on your truck. sing out if you want a price.

wopass wrote:
hehhheh sounds like to me you need a set of 33x12.5x15 AT's slung on your truck. sing out if you want a price.

*Starts singing as loud as he can...


PM me the price if you could dude..

will do some calling tomorrow, he ( my tyre guy,where i used to work) does some pretty sharp prices. will post tomorrow mate, watch this space

wopass wrote:will do some calling tomorrow, he ( my tyre guy,where i used to work) does some pretty sharp prices. will post tomorrow mate, watch this space

Thanks dude,most appreciated...
I am organising a charity run through Wellington for the Cancer Society so I want the HILEXUS looking and sounding as mean as she can.

Tyres A/T 33/12.5/15

Pirelli $275.00
Kumho $290.00
Sumitome Serengeti SL840 (Dunlop) $249.00

Nankang (almost mud pattern) $195
Goodyear M/T (mud only in this size $279.00

Prices include GST/Freight to Wellington ETC.

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cut and paste from his mail to me, also he said if you wanted to credit card them over the phone he can do that to. obviously you would have to jack up getting them fitted down there...

will try to get some pics of the tyres and post them later

wopass wrote:Tyres A/T 33/12.5/15

Pirelli $275.00
Kumho $290.00
Sumitome Serengeti SL840 (Dunlop) $249.00

Nankang (almost mud pattern) $195
Goodyear M/T (mud only in this size $279.00

Prices include GST/Freight to Wellington ETC.

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cut and paste from his mail to me, also he said if you wanted to credit card them over the phone he can do that to. obviously you would have to jack up getting them fitted down there...

will try to get some pics of the tyres and post them later

Awesome..thanks!!
Look forward to the pics...

buggerd if i can get them to upload, if you search the web for the tyres name and model you can see them i would say the nankang one looks pretty good and cheaper too . but have a look and see what you think.

wopass wrote:buggerd if i can get them to upload, if you search the web for the tyres name and model you can see them i would say the nankang one looks pretty good and cheaper too . but have a look and see what you think.

What are the model names?

I found Serengeti and the Goodyear M/Ts

I will check their websites anyway and see if I can stab a guess...

Pirelli


Kumho

The NANGKANGs appear to be re-badged YOKOHAMA tyres..
YOKOHAMA tyres are usually what I bought in Japan,they are awesome.

I cant find any pics of that though or a Nangkang website...

Both the Kumho and Pirrelli look pretty tame to be honest...

Hmmmm, its a shitty pic but you can sort of see it

http://www.nankang.com.tw/index.php?Pag ... 2d54eb9c66

Simon does Perreli scorpions fof a good price, my bro just picked them up last night.
Very impressive.
Albundy runs them to.
Maybe thats what you really need,a just a set of general purpose mud tyres.
The pic here is not upto date, they have redesigned them alot and shit they look good. Must get a photo of them in real life on the prado.
$189 each for 31 X 10.5 R15.

DieselBoy wrote:Simon does Perreli scorpions fof a good price, my bro just picked them up last night.
Very impressive.
Albundy runs them to.
Maybe thats what you really need,a just a set of general purpose mud tyres.
The pic here is not upto date, they have redesigned them alot and shit they look good. Must get a photo of them in real life on the prado.
$189 each for 31 X 10.5 R15.

Yeah they look great,very similar pattern to the Durangos...I found/felt that having the tread almost down onto the sidewalls helped the Rugger plough through angled sand slopes.

Heres a classic example of the terrain in question....(and yet another Isuzu stuck.. )

I'll grab a pic tonight, but if you look through the west coast pics on Albundy's Terran you will see the tyres i'm talking about.

Where was that photo taken?

Best way i know to thru sand is to get stuck, coz you learn real fast from then.

Best way I learnt was watching a guy pass me (while I had all four wheels in the air) back and forwards back and forwards. Once I got out I tried it and hello it worked great. Better than all the other advice I received.

Oh yeah, about 20psi but I have been told you can go as low as 10psi before the tyres start falling off the rims, I never wanted to risk it that low

Bubba wrote:Where was that photo taken?

Its the next big Bay round from Long Beach at Red Rocks..

How does this sound?

A set of MAXXIS MUDZILLAs for $1280.00....(33x13.5x15)





Or a set of GT Saveros for $940.00...(33/12.5x15)

Sounds good...??

Those saveros go really well, My mate's got them (33x12.5xr15) on his safari, and tthey hold the road wet or dry really good, do the jod off road well too, only thing wrong with them is there is no tread on the side walls. Don't buy those buckshot tires as anyone down here will tell you the rocks rip them to bits, and they are pretty crap in the mud too. I run good year wranglers, full m/t pattern, but they dig very well so are no good for the sand, unless you can find a worn set.

Hey wopass, could you please get a price for the wranglers, 32x11.5xr15 delivered to Invercargill?? I paid $350 each for mine, and i can get them fitted and balanced for nothing. Thanks very much.

mumad wrote:Those saveros go really well, My mate's got them (33x12.5xr15) on his safari, and tthey hold the road wet or dry really good, do the jod off road well too, only thing wrong with them is there is no tread on the side walls. Don't buy those buckshot tires as anyone down here will tell you the rocks rip them to bits, and they are pretty crap in the mud too. I run good year wranglers, full m/t pattern, but they dig very well so are no good for the sand, unless you can find a worn set.

Hey wopass, could you please get a price for the wranglers, 32x11.5xr15 delivered to Invercargill?? I paid $350 each for mine, and i can get them fitted and balanced for nothing. Thanks very much.

My truck has GY Wranglers on at the moment and are pretty knackered and even worn I found that they dug into the sand....still got out no bother but I could see problems with them when I really pushed my luck.

From what I gather the closer you get to a street spec tyre the better the sand performance is.......BUT regardless of the tread pattern the bigger wider the tyre is the more surface area the tyre takes up on the surface of the sand the better the "Flotation" on the sand is.

I saw a guy in a shiny as late model Surf with no modifications at all bar a set of huge MAXXIS tyres,and he was crawling down the beach on ultra soft sand.....

Hehehe, the wranglers dig like mad, it can be bad sometimes, but i think i'll be deffenately buying another set. You are totally right, the wider the tire and less grip you got the better, so its a compromise , do you just get AT's and deflate to about 15psi, or you could get a set of bead lockers and deflate to 6psi the AT's can be under rated sometimes, they go pretty good and if you wanted to tackle some serious mud you could just put on a set of chains.

mumad wrote:

Hey wopass, could you please get a price for the wranglers, 32x11.5xr15 delivered to Invercargill?? I paid $350 each for mine, and i can get them fitted and balanced for nothing. Thanks very much.

can do mate, will do some ringing on monday for ya. $350 each seems pretty steep but wont know till i price them. let you know mate

those saveros at $940 is pretty reasnable, ive never run them or know anyone who has so no idea what sort of life you get out of them, i imagine for the price its worth considering.

Thanks wopass, that was the best price i could find around town, so it never hurts to ask, thanks very much.
The saveros are a pretty good tire, especially if you have got the power to clear the tread as they have no side lugs. They handle realy well, and my mates ones seemed to last for ages, didn't get ripped by rocks etc, and he thrashed the shit out of them, he had bfg's for a while but he recons they are crap compared to the savero's, and at that price, how could you complain??

CHECK NEW THREAD TYRE PRICES

Thanks wopass, i will get hold of you when i need a new set, hopefully won't be for another year!!