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Hey I just bought an sj410 and it seems ta not have manual or auto hubs where they just seem always engadged. Is this ok because of the fact it doesnt have cv's? what is the name of the thing in the front thats not a cv and can someone shed some light on how it works I have been trying to look it up but its quite hard if you do not have an exact name or anything.

Cheers guys I ask this mainly cuz there is a scraping noise that comes from the front right running gear and im just wondering if it is because this has not got enough grease or something the noise doesnt happen all the time and happens more often on gravel roads but i dont wanna drive it with this and am gonna do a bit of fault finding but would like to know how it works properly first cuz this is the first time I have seen a non cv front.

Thanks

Hey
Where abouts are you? are you planning on doing some 4wding? as if you are i would recommend you join a local club.
Most clubs will have members that know a lot about suzuki's and can offer practicle knowledge for diagnosis of issues and most would be happy for you to watch them when they are doing stuff to their truck to learn

What year is the SJ410? I think some of the early hubs were always engaged... Do you have a photo of the hubs (like the middle bit of of the front wheel when on the vehicle)... It will not have auto hubs, it may have manual locking hubs which look something like these (although those are aftermarket ones)...

These suzukis have what is often referrred to within the 4wd community as having a solid axle in the front (although the name does not really describe it correctly) as opposed to many newish 4wd's which have independant front suspension (IFS) or (flipper front). Basically on a sold axle front end the whole diff/axle/housing/hubs all move up and down as one unit, and just need a joint (cv) to rotate for the steering, whereas on a IFS the diff remains stationary and cv joints allow for the up/down and steering rotation.

Their CV is a Birfield, athough normally just referred to a CV. Hower it is contained within the knuckle at the end of the axle housing. as sort of seen here (without any of the hub etc attached and the axle pulled out)

Have a look here for a parts diagram (useful for terminology) http://acksfaq.com/parts_cat.php

Also I would strongly recommend you purchase a workshop manual (they hayes ones are bout $40) otherwise you can download them from here http://www.suzukiinfo.com/ It would just be a matter of working out which is most similar to your vehicle as they were called different things in different parts of the world ie sierra/drover/sj413/samurai etc etc. They are all slightly different mostly due to year changes but the basics are the same. At a guess the 1985 holden drover would be the most similar to the sj410...

Chris

Thanks chris that was a great help yeah its got hubs which are always engaged. I thought this would be real bad on the front part of the running gear but I guess its alright. Gonna pull a few bits apart tonight and see if I can isolate where the noise is coming from and if I fail ill take it into a friends mechanics and see if he can give me a few ideas'.

I have another question about the gear box as I have read a few articles about putting 5 speeds in there, If I was going to go down that track which would be the best/ easiest box to fit?

Oh and its a 82 model

hi there mate, i would sugest if you were going down the 5 speed option put in a 413 motor whille you are there. they can be picked up for next to nothing,

hi ya. No 5 speeds bolt up to the F10A engine. If you were going to go to the trouble of adapting one up, you may as well put the 413 engine (G13A) which came with 5 speeds from factory. Similar too what I have in my 410

If the hubs are always locked, all it means is that the front axles, diff, and driveshaft will also always turn.
As long as there is sufficient lubricant in all places it will cause no problems, and will result in very slightly increase fuel useage as there is slightly added friction. (When i had 410 i always had the hubs locked anyway as i needed them most mornings to get out of a gravel driveway backwards, and it saved getting out to do them all the time)
[Do not get a locking diff confused with locking hubs... locking diff on road is not good, locking hubs on road don't really matter]

Is it road legal (or going to be)?

Where abouts are you from?

Yeah from christchurch its not road legal yet needs a couple of things but hopefully will be getting it on the road soonish as am going to b 4x4ing and using it as a daily. Yeah I was thinking about the 1300 conversion. Whats those 1300s like on gas and do they sit at 100 fine?. How hard is the conversion.

What about the 5 speed they hooked up to the f10a in the suzuki super carrys, Just asking as I have a super carry as my other car at the moment which will prob be up for sale soon which has a five speed gear box so thought it might of been an easy swap or are these two engines/ mounts completely different/ get into trouble with drivetrain and stuff?

Thanks guys ya help is much appreciated.

garic wrote:Yeah from christchurch its not road legal yet needs a couple of things but hopefully will be getting it on the road soonish as am going to b 4x4ing and using it as a daily. Yeah I was thinking about the 1300 conversion. Whats those 1300s like on gas and do they sit at 100 fine?. How hard is the conversion.

What about the 5 speed they hooked up to the f10a in the suzuki super carrys, Just asking as I have a super carry as my other car at the moment which will prob be up for sale soon which has a five speed gear box so thought it might of been an easy swap or are these two engines/ mounts completely different/ get into trouble with drivetrain and stuff?

Thanks guys ya help is much appreciated.

Not too sure about the carry but is the engine north/south like the sj410's (or east/west like most car's?) as wouldn't be easiest thing to swap gearbox from one to other...

Just something to keep in mind but you should have any conversion with the 5 speed box or 1300 engine certified which will cost about $350 extra, and i believe welding needs to be done by a certified welder or you need to prove your up to it, and needs driveshaft loops etc etc...

Depends on what you are comparing the 1300's too... they are ok on gas but do chew through it for a little motor.. will sit at 100 ok when stock (and still has reasonable km's), but once you put big tyres on it etc etc probably not anymore...

More than the size of the motor is the gearing that goes along with it... like i'm not sure what the gearing in the 410 diffs is like, and when coupled with the 5 speed box may find have trouble doing 100 at reasonable rev's (i'm not sure though).... but low gears are good offroad

Dad's stock sj410 4speed from memory does 5200rpm at 100km/h on stock tyres with the 1000cc and is unconfortable to drive like that... sits at about 85 ok...
My daily driver is a 92 suzuki cultus 3 cylinder 997cc, power steering + air conditioning, and it comfortably sits at 100km/h (3300rpm from meory) no worries and is great on gas (16km/litre depending on how i'm feeling)


Best thing to do it is to get out there and use it and work out what you want.
May be worth looking into the Suzuki 4WD Club (Canterbury, NZ) http://www.suzuki-4wd.co.nz/