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hy guys i'm on the hunt for a new gun safe, just something to hold up to 3 or guns that will fit into a wardrobe space. cheers

http://www.outdoorsupplies.co.nz/gunsaf ... tm#buffalo

I have the 5 gun safe and it fits nice in the corner of the wardrobe and its about the best value for money around.

Yeah I got an E class 10 gun in this brand (feek is it heavy - 180kg empty) but it is thicker steel. Great price and quailty.

Heath

i also have the 5 gun safe of that model, they are good quality and a good price. only thing i would say is have a good think about what size you want, i think i might have to move up to a larger one only 4 guns in it at the mo but wth scopec etc its getting pretty full

yeah those buffalo river safes are good value for money. Watch some of those cheaper ones as ive seen a guy bend out the top of the door as a demo think they were green.

Another option is to buy a $12 deadlock from Bunnings and install into your wardrope. Use wardrope as safe.

Thats fine if your wardrobe door is solid core door. Another thing to watch is how hard is it to break a hole through that gib to get in there. Go steel safe and bolt the bugger down. Just my thoughts

imlost wrote:Another option is to buy a $12 deadlock from Bunnings and install into your wardrope. Use wardrope as safe.

Cops would not pass that if you was to sit your firearms license.

As the man said, too easy to go thru the wall to get into it.
Spend the money, I lost 15 guns to the crims in huntly, only got two back, we don't want any more out there in the hands of the ungodly, do we?

Moriarty wrote:

imlost wrote:Another option is to buy a $12 deadlock from Bunnings and install into your wardrope. Use wardrope as safe.

Cops would not pass that if you was to sit your firearms license.

As the man said, too easy to go thru the wall to get into it.
Spend the money, I lost 15 guns to the crims in huntly, only got two back, we don't want any more out there in the hands of the ungodly, do we?

They passed it for me 2 months ago

yeah i think ill stay with a steel safe option this time i have kids now so need to keep them safe to, even though they know they cant touch the guns without me. dont think the padlock on the wall is the safest way to go.

imlost wrote:

Moriarty wrote:

imlost wrote:Another option is to buy a $12 deadlock from Bunnings and install into your wardrope. Use wardrope as safe.

Cops would not pass that if you was to sit your firearms license.

As the man said, too easy to go thru the wall to get into it.
Spend the money, I lost 15 guns to the crims in huntly, only got two back, we don't want any more out there in the hands of the ungodly, do we?

They passed it for me 2 months ago

Now isn't THAT a weird thing, I asked about that when I had to renew my lifetime license.
The arms officer and the gentleman who came to inspect my premises were quite definite in their refusal
Seems as there are as many standards as there are inspectors.

Ohhh I have had TWO lifetime licenses now, does this mean that I am going to live for ever?

Just on the Wardrobe safe:

They DO pass inspections, I had one of those setup a little while ago and it wasn't a problem. The rules state that it has to be safe against theft from "opportunistic thieves". or something along those lines. If they have a sledge hammer then they are no longer opportunistic, they are pre-meditated.
Mine was also a hollow core door (with that soundproofing stuff in there).

Still didn't like the idea though so i saved up for a proper safe and bolted it to the hallway wall;-) I'd recommend a proper safe to anyone who asks, not just to be legal but for your own peace of mind. (Do you want the mrs and kids at home while a home-invader has access to your firearms whether they also have the bolt/ammo or not?) I wouldn't.

As well as the security of a safe its also worth considering some crafty concealment of where your safe actually is?

I've had 2 mates that have been targeted by crims because they were both known to be firearm owners and they knew what they were looking for and didnt have any trouble finding the safes. Both stolen firearms were used in crimes and both of them were used to kill although the dirtbag called Spider that was standing in front of the wrong end of the barrol of one of them probably wont be missed?

ive also know of people who put a dead bolt on the man hole into the ceiling and put there rifles up there

Moriarty wrote:

imlost wrote:Another option is to buy a $12 deadlock from Bunnings and install into your wardrope. Use wardrope as safe.

Cops would not pass that if you was to sit your firearms license.

it does vary with area and what officer you get.
thats what pisses me off. the rules are open to interpretation and everyone enforces their interpretation of it.
i have a sheet about northland going to STEEL cabinets only. a neighbour had a northland officer check the security, failed it ....need steel cabinet. auckland office came to recheck and said the bike lock around the water cylinder was fine. go figure

if you have a wardrobe why not look at fitting a gun rack inside it. with the guns buts up against the side of the wardrobe it makes it a lot harder for them to get them out.
even steel cabinets they will pry them open. i have seen one crowbarred open before. all steel ones do is slow them down a bit.

funny story here my parents recently moved house, so dad had his guns in the safe down in the workshop and decided he wanted to go out for a look. He hunted high and low and found the keys for his safe put the key in the door and heard a weird click and clunk, the back of the key barrel fell off in side the safe redering it locked permanently . He must have been desperate to get out for a hunt so took to his safe with the angle grider cutting the hinges off setting the foam inside on fire a quick bucket of water doused the flames only for him to find that the door wouldn't open, Much cursing followed. So the then takes to the safe with the pinch bar and after half an hour of violence toward the safe,He was real pissed off by this stage, he finally got the door off. The safe had locking pins,two of them top and bottom at the end that opens and at the hinge end it rebates under the rest of the safe making it difficult to pry it open. Its only an A class safe and was mighty difficult to crack, Armasafe I think it is was made in invercargill if I reacall correctly. I thought he would have totally naffed it but he beat the door straight again put the barrel back in the lock and welded the hinges back on the door again look ruff as guts but secure again. Never made out hunting that night.

So if you got a half decent safe it makes it pretty difficult for the crims to get them

I deal with firearms and safes for a job

The best bet for price and safety is to have a steel safe made by an engineer. Just 6mm plate with a twin bolt lock.Make sure the door is reinforced with angle or box steel. The buffalo river safes are easy to break into because of the flexability of the door and the bad securing of the lock to the inside of the door. The kilwell safes are slightly stonger...esp their multi-point lock ones. Sentry safes are really nice but the price starts to get up there.
Mag racks which hold the firearms to a wall are good but you are supposed to store the bolts and ammo separate. The double door safes you can buy are allowed to be used to store both if the bolts etc are in the small lockable compartment.
Also with the mag racks theives just chainsaw them out of the wall.No identification is required to purchase firearm parts so damaging the stock or barrel isn't of any concern to thieves.Its the reciever (the part the bolt goes into) they need intact.
A lockable cupboard is sufficient to pass the firearms test, as is a nailed down wooden box but firearms are usually a big enough investment to warrant a decent degree of security.
Overall i think the concealment factor is the most important ie have a curtain in front of the safe or mag rack in the cupboard.
Ragardless of the extent of security, a dedicated crim will find a way to beat your setup.

Like others I have had my lifetime licence renewed twice once up north and once down here have the same cabinet 19mm mdf screwed in the corner of the garage and ammo and bolt sep steel box passed ok both time the box look more like a locker than a gun cabinet
had a shed i kept stuff in broken into several years ago all the baastards stole was my spare pack and all my hunting stuff in it and the tool box my bolts and ammo was in man was i pissed took 3 years to find a replacement bolt for my .243 am thinking about steel cabinet with triggerlock as well but how far do you have to go
penilise the law abiding citizen again!

Swamped wrote:I deal with firearms and safes for a job
CLIPNo identification is required to purchase firearm parts so damaging the stock or barrel isn't of any concern to thieves.CLIP.

Not QUITE correct, Swampy, I needed a .22 barrel for a project, and as it was also a gift from Roy, in Perth, I needed to get import license, and police perimt to import etc etc.
That might be thte case for import only, but our (wangas) arms officer said you need permit to procure parts anyway.


as an aside, Roy faced the same deal in Perth, so he took a nail box of gun screws and assorted small parts, sights, trigger bits etc etc, and asked HIS arms officer to fill out the forms to register EACH one as a firearm. (THEIR laws...)

Aussie is worse than us for paranoia!! pore buggers.....

I suppose the rules vary from place to place.

I won't say who i work for but I've never seen ID asked for for parts in 3 years. A gunsmith asked me once when i got a new barrel but that was it.

Nice examples of double standards when it comes to security and that.

Moriarty wrote:

Swamped wrote:I deal with firearms and safes for a job
CLIPNo identification is required to purchase firearm parts so damaging the stock or barrel isn't of any concern to thieves.CLIP.

Not QUITE correct, Swampy, I needed a .22 barrel for a project, and as it was also a gift from Roy, in Perth, I needed to get import license, and police perimt to import etc etc.
That might be thte case for import only, but our (wangas) arms officer said you need permit to procure parts anyway.


as an aside, Roy faced the same deal in Perth, so he took a nail box of gun screws and assorted small parts, sights, trigger bits etc etc, and asked HIS arms officer to fill out the forms to register EACH one as a firearm. (THEIR laws...)

Aussie is worse than us for paranoia!! pore buggers.....

Aussie sure do have it worse than us.
I own a .223 and a .204. Both are suppressed. In Aussie I'm not permitted to use a suppressor. They won't allow it. In which case I wouldn't use either guns. They are just to loud without a suppressor.