pto winch into samurai

[new2zukes]

hi i have hear of being able to hookup a pto winch to a suzuki samurai using the transfer case, i simply was wondering if this is true or not. i was thinking in the future of getting a pto as my electric winch keeps running out of battery power and cant winch for a long time like the gd old ptos. cheers

martin

[Denby]

This is probably the only PTO winch you will find for a Suzuki (without putting a Landcruiser gearbox / transfer combo into it)...


Doesn't matter if the engine isn't running, the battery is flat or you need to winch somewhere other than forward.

[Jerry]

why not look at a hydralic winch?, or fit dual batteries and/or a bigger alternator to keep up with the winch?

[new2zukes]

hi im running duel batterys atm and alternator just cant keep up but cant aford a bigger alternator lol how do hydraulic winches work like how do i hook them up to my zuke?

[2MEKE]

If you can find one of these you'll be half way there....

[Sadam_Husain]

but cant aford a bigger alternator lol

Your options would be pretty limited if you dont have enough funds to upgrade your alternator

how do hydraulic winches work like how do i hook them up to my zuke?

Jafa's got a thread on here of the hydrolic winch he put on his smokey zuk, it runs off a power steering pump and will run continuosly so long as the engines going

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Milemarker hydraulic winch install press here

[lilpigzuk]

spanish zuks had a PTO option, look at back of t/c you will see the casting. Not sure of any facotry pieces for sale as they are well sort after

[lilpigzuk]

hi im running duel batterys atm and alternator just cant keep up but cant aford a bigger alternator lol how do hydraulic winches work like how do i hook them up to my zuke?

cehck outerlimits, I think a commy alternator nearly bolts in, 100amp or something, need too go back and have a look

[icekayak]

Generally hydraulic winches are a fair bit more expensive than electric winches and bigger alternators (unless you can fab something up off an old tractor or something)

Big-AL got a bigger alt fitted into his yellow zook, will have to check with him but think it was a 2nd hand one outta a mazda famillia and it almost bolted straight into the stock mounts with a little bit of slotting of one the bolt holes. That was 100+ amp I think. From memory the stock alternators are made by mitsi anyway, and off the top of my head the vitara ones may swap over without too much trouble (althought their not tooo much bigger than the samurai ones)

The catch with fitting a bigger alt is; if all the rest of your wiring is upto the increased current... we had a wee bit of trouble at a winch comp just after the bigger alt had been fitted with the wires to a kill switch and ignition melting (and we ended up with 2 DNC's cos of it) But the zook didn't run outta power at least

[Ben]

hi im running duel batterys atm and alternator just cant keep up but cant aford a bigger alternator lol how do hydraulic winches work like how do i hook them up to my zuke?

What size batteries have you got?? I suspect there is something wrong with your setup - eg poor connections or earth, or dodgy dual battery or isolator wiring, as two batteries of any size should be more than enough.
Its also possible you alternator isn't charging properly, as even the stock alternator should fill those batteries back up after winching without a problem, and the batteries on their own will supply enough current for winching without a huge alternator.

I've run one single NS70 battery for years running a Warn 8274, with no issues, doing lots and lots of winching. Thats just a standard 4x4 battery available from repco etc. It is quite a bit larger capacity than the stock zuk battery though.


Ben

[redzuki]

If you can find one of these you'll be half way there....

Where did you manage to find that ive seen them in the sj410 parts catalogues but never seen the real thing, what kind of zuk did you get it off ? 410 flat deck/

[Ben]

That pic is off the net somewhere. I've seen it before too.

Here's the page from the parts manual for the PTO:


I talked to Shane, the owner of Te-Puke partsworld about them once. He said he's only ever seen one. That was before he bought the business and the previous owner was showing him round. Apparently there was one there, but when he bought the place it was gone.

Ben

[Dr_PC]

hi im running duel batterys atm and alternator just cant keep up but cant aford a bigger alternator lol how do hydraulic winches work like how do i hook them up to my zuke?

What size batteries have you got?? I suspect there is something wrong with your setup - eg poor connections or earth, or dodgy dual battery or isolator wiring, as two batteries of any size should be more than enough.
Its also possible you alternator isn't charging properly, as even the stock alternator should fill those batteries back up after winching without a problem, and the batteries on their own will supply enough current for winching without a huge alternator.

I've run one single NS70 battery for years running a Warn 8274, with no issues, doing lots and lots of winching. Thats just a standard 4x4 battery available from repco etc. It is quite a bit larger capacity than the stock zuk battery though.


Ben

I concur I also ran a 8274 with a NS70 battery in a sj413. May sure that you have good earths. I was using a 35amp alternator

[2MEKE]

Where did you manage to find that ive seen them in the sj410 parts catalogues but never seen the real thing, what kind of zuk did you get it off ? 410 flat deck/

I didn't
Like Ben said that pics off the net but while i lived in Oz I met a guy who had one.
I believe it had come from Thailand. (or maybe Malaysia)

[new2zukes]

one of my batterys are earthed to the chassi and the other is on the radiator bracket i grinded away the paint before bolting together so they should be fine il try take a pic of my setup tomorrow, the alternator i have on my truck was quite noisy i was told it was the bearings so will replace alternator tomorrow.

[Heath]

one of my batterys are earthed to the chassi and the other is on the radiator bracket i grinded away the paint before bolting together so they should be fine il try take a pic of my setup tomorrow, the alternator i have on my truck was quite noisy i was told it was the bearings so will replace alternator tomorrow.

Is that radiator bracket welded on or bolted to the chassis? If it is bolted you may have your earth problem there, shift it to the chassis somewhere. if it is welded to the chassis then maybe the cable is too coarse / small for the ergies (technical term - yeah right) you are trying to pull through it (or over it to be correct). Power transmission is about surface area (the electrons travel along the surface of the wire not through it) not diametre when talking about cables so lots of little strands is better than a few big strands.

Hopefully I got that right (chemistry 101 was last year so I hope I remembered something).

Heath

[Ben]

one of my batterys are earthed to the chassi and the other is on the radiator bracket i grinded away the paint before bolting together so they should be fine il try take a pic of my setup tomorrow, the alternator i have on my truck was quite noisy i was told it was the bearings so will replace alternator tomorrow.

Do you have an earth cable from the battery straight to the winch motor? If not thats the first thing I'd look at.

Ben

[Dr_PC]

one of my batterys are earthed to the chassi and the other is on the radiator bracket i grinded away the paint before bolting together so they should be fine il try take a pic of my setup tomorrow, the alternator i have on my truck was quite noisy i was told it was the bearings so will replace alternator tomorrow.

Do you have an earth cable from the battery straight to the winch motor? If not thats the first thing I'd look at.

Ben

Earth to the body, Earth to the Chasis Earth to the Motor all this from the battery that is already earthed to the chasis (this can be done with one cable) and Earth directley from the winch motor to the chasis

[timotheus]

Ive seen a LJ80 with PTO on Tardme, they are about. Just keep looking.

But i have to agree, for cost, run with the elec. If you have to though, you could run a Dihatsu one - pto that is. Small enough.

[HedgeBoar]

Power transmission is about surface area (the electrons travel along the surface of the wire not through it) not diametre when talking about cables so lots of little strands is better than a few big strands.

Heath

That is mainly true for high voltage lines. While more current flows at the surface of any wire, the effect is very small for low voltage (i.e. 12/24V) lines and can be pretty much neglected. Lots of little strands are still better though, since they are less likely to break due to fatigue.

Regarding upgrading the alternator -- this wont fix your problem. Even a 100A alternator will not be able to keep up with your winch when in use - not even close. Your winch should run fine on two batts. I have been using my Warn M8000 on just one 550cca battery (i.e. pretty small) until recently (now have two of the same). Went fine, a little slow under load but did the trick.

I'd say either your batteries are on their last legs, or your wiring is too small. You need some BIG cables going to your solenoid box. Check if any of your cables get hot after running the winch under load. If they do, they are too small.

[new2zukes]

one of my batterys is 330 cca and the other one is 450 cca the following pics show my setup. both batterys are no more than 3 months old so that shouldnt be a problem the wire im using to conect the batterys is very large but has lots of small strands. i agree the leads going to the winch are a little small and i will earth my winch direct to the chassi. if i do this does the earth still need to run threw the solonoids?

[Madaz]

I had a read and I dont think anyone has asked you this, but what kind of winch are you running?

[new2zukes]

a nice and cheap one i dont think it has a brand name its a 6500lb one. chinese made so is very slow which means the winch is running longer than the faster winches.