Offroad-Express

Thought I'd take the partner n kids to the waimak for a we blast today. I kinda wanted to get stuck and use the winch. But this puddle I thought I'd cruise through to clean the truck down with turned out to be a little deeper than first thought. I was so pleased i had a strong waterproof exedy clutch in the drive train. I tell ya.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-zszHL1SIXk

Before this we got stuck trying to get through some deep ruts. The diff heads left me high n dry. That's when I was hugging my winch after we got out tell it I was going to give it a good clean when I got home. Thank god a good strong tree was near by. I'll through that clip up later.

It freaks ya out getting stuck. But it's such a buzz getting yourself outta the crap.

would love to see what you would of found to winch yaself outta that water hole had ya got it stuck Pete

nearly got yaself in the poo there

Let you in on something here Pete,Don't ever rev it as much as you were when you are going down in a braided shingle river.
You just, (and only just) apply enough revs on to stop the engine from stalling and make sure you are in the lowest gear you have. You may not move quickly, but the whole point is that you keep on moving.

Next time you are out ( and with another truck) try it. Find a real soft shingle patch and dig yourself in a wee bit and then back up at just on tick over.

rokhound wrote:Next time you are out ( and with another truck) try it.

Nice subtle piece of advice there Rok

wouldn't catch me going in any water or hole if there was no other truck or a decent winching point close by, assuming you had a winch

Cheers rok.
I have been out at Birdlings Flat a few times in the truck and had the same advice give the first time. I should of known better.
I'll be honest. Skid was right. I got myself in the poo there and with all the kids on board I was quietly crapping myself. I wasn't going to give up.
I'm gunna buy me one of those land anchors this week and keep that in the back of the truck just incase.

Here's the other embarrassing clip.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr-E_GCIdYg

Kids would've been better off staying well away rather than wandering around while winching wouldn't they

DaveM wrote:Kids would've been better off staying well away rather than wandering around while winching wouldn't they

and not that we want to pick on you, rather educate you, how about a rope dampener, unless of course you have rope instead of cable

Very good point. The steel cable is close to 50m long. When I think about it. Would of been best to leave the kids at home actually.
But hindsight is always a wonderful thing isn't it skid. Educating is what I need and I don't mind admitting it. We aren't born pros are we. We have to start somewhere.

Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like that, been there, done that myself

DaveM wrote:Sorry, didn't mean to make it sound like that, been there, done that myself

You brought up a good point Dave. Anything that involves safety has to be taken seriously. I will know better next time. And I'm thankful there will be a next time.

Another hint for winching is to have the bonnet up too. I know this makes visibility a problem, but you then have someone guiding you from a safe distance.
The reason for the bonnet up is for it to catch the rope should it break, saving you a trip to hospital, if you are lucky enough to survive an incident.

kiwipete wrote:Another hint for winching is to have the bonnet up too. I know this makes visibility a problem, but you then have someone guiding you from a safe distance.
The reason for the bonnet up is for it to catch the rope should it break, saving you a trip to hospital, if you are lucky enough to survive an incident.

Cheers Pete.

I think I'll be replacing the steel rope for some high tech stuff soon.

Hi cool vids as Skid has mentioned I think U need to check things first education is the key I dont want to go on about it but KIDS are the new 4wheelers hopefuly so if they arent shown the correct way to 4wd then it will become comon practise ie: seatbelts,safe winching not to pick on u personaly its just that the vid is now on utube so everyone can see it L8R

Cruz wrote:Hi cool vids as Skid has mentioned I think U need to check things first education is the key I dont want to go on about it but KIDS are the new 4wheelers hopefuly so if they arent shown the correct way to 4wd then it will become comon practise ie: seatbelts,safe winching not to pick on u personaly its just that the vid is now on utube so everyone can see it L8R

It's on youtube and can be taken off youtube if I feel like it. But I won't as my friends in England and other places haven't seen it yet.
Safety is paramount. Safe winching that time? It wasn't as my kids were in the strike zone and as I've already stated. I'm guilty and I'll learn from it.
You mention seatbelts?
I'll tell you a short story which happened this week while I had all the kids in the back. I was driving in heavy traffic round town. (the top was off) We were at the lights waiting for them to change when i heard the kids talking to some people next to us. I heard the kids yelling out, "but we ARE wearing seatbelts!!!". We pulled away from the lights and I asked, "what was that about kids?" They said, "that couple thought we were seating dangerously in the back of the truck with no seatbelts. We told them but we are wearing seatbealts". I told them, "that's nice that they cared about your safety". But i thought to myself, I wish some people would just shut the fark up!

My truck is a certified 7 seater. I have 4 legal seatbelts in the back and no one, I don't care how old they are, travels with me unless they wear a seatbelt on or off road.

Rant over.....

petefj40 wrote: I wish some people would just shut the fark up!

My truck is a certified 7 seater. I have 4 legal seatbelts in the back and no one, I don't care how old they are, travels with me unless they wear a seatbelt on or off road.

Rant over.....

so I went back to have a second look at the video, and decided that with the clothes the kids were wearing etc etc etc and the fact that they're only lap belts, its hard to tell.

So I can see why people are questioning it.

It probably wont be the last time it happens either, so you may have to get used to it and just smile and thank them for thier concern and politley inform them that seatbelts are in place and being used, rather than get irate quickly and rant at someone who is only concerned for your kids safety like yourself.

My rant over (sorry)

Like I said to my kids skid, "that was nice that they cared weather you were wearing seatbelts or not". I wouldn't tell my kids what I really felt because as an adult we know that would be wrong. Just as it would be wrong to go off at the people my kids were talking to. My internal reaction is just that, internal. And that's because it's not the first time that's happened. SO, excuse me for getting tired of it. When it happens again (which I'm sure it will as I'm with my kids a lot of the time) I'll still remain cool n calm on the outside. I was only sharing with you all here on ORE what goes on in the inside...

Just keep the videos coming. You are just lucky you didn't have Safari diffs to drag outta those ruts

If the kids were asked if they were wearing belts, I would've thought that was ok, but if they said they should be, when they were all along, I would've told them to FARK OFF

Cheers Dave.

Ok thats cool about the seat belts as I couldn't see your seat belt on i was just mentioning it as it looked as if u didnt have one on Thats all .I see it so often and seen the results of I only playing around the house or something like that then it turns bad thats all didnt mean to get u going L8R

Cruz wrote:Ok thats cool about the seat belts as I couldn't see your seat belt on i was just mentioning it as it looked as if u didnt have one on Thats all .I see it so often and seen the results of I only playing around the house or something like that then it turns bad thats all didnt mean to get u going L8R

At one minute thirteen seconds you'll see me taking my belt off in that first clip but that was because i was going to jump out and have a look at the situation. But then I decided not to and carry on. At no time did the kids take their belts off. They know the rules only to well.

I got stuck at the mak a few weeks ago by myself and had exactly the same facial expression. Tis the worst feeling when you get caught out doing something stupid haha. That army of kids could have come in handy if it didn't turn out so good though.

While we are still off topic ... Its all about learning ...

I love this Idea copied from "bulletproofs" hilux specs about half way down ...

Bulletproof wrote:A permanant accessory of the hilux is a 500x500x4.5mm piece of polycarbonate for extra safety when extreme winching.

I have put 4 suction rubbers on each corner to stick to the windscreen and the advantage is you can see what is happening to the winch wire.

Polycarbonate is used in aircraft windscreens and is virtually unbreakable.




All I'm trying to do is spread the impact and slow the missile down with something virtually unbreakable, and it has to be better than nothing at all.
When polycarbonate roofing came out,placemakers left a sheet on the drive thru floor and let all the trucks drive over it and it still didn't break so is pretty tough.

A person still needs something over the rope to kill it as well.

Richard
Cheers Bulletproof

Prevents this ...

Sadam_Husain wrote:its scary shit when those cables come at you

Even if the force collapses the whole windscreen into the truck I guess its better to have a bit of poly wraped around you than the sharp end of the cable

Another way to stop cables flying around uncontrolled is as follows...some ppl disagree with this method...but i have seen it used & its a great idea.

Connect a short strop or a tree protector to your factory tie down or another hook on your vehicle....then connect the other end of the strop to the to the winch cable hook or snatch strap ....this 2 strop isnt under any pressure from the pull...but should a hook or rope etc fail it wont go far as it will be arrested by the 2nd short strop.This of course can be done to both ends of the pull.

If not described it very well but im hoping you's will understand what i mean.

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Like a Saftey Chain on a trailer or boat

tallsam66 wrote:Another way to stop cables flying around uncontrolled is as follows...some ppl disagree with this method...but i have seen it used & its a great idea.

Connect a short strop or a tree protector to your factory tie down or another hook on your vehicle....then connect the other end of the strop to the to the winch cable hook or snatch strap ....this 2 strop isnt under any pressure from the pull...but should a hook or rope etc fail it wont go far as it will be arrested by the 2nd short strop.This of course can be done to both ends of the pull.

If not described it very well but im hoping you's will understand what i mean.

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How does this help if the rope breaks?

petefj40 wrote:

kiwipete wrote:Another hint for winching is to have the bonnet up too. I know this makes visibility a problem, but you then have someone guiding you from a safe distance.
The reason for the bonnet up is for it to catch the rope should it break, saving you a trip to hospital, if you are lucky enough to survive an incident.

Cheers Pete.

I think I'll be replacing the steel rope for some high tech stuff soon.

give me a yell when you want some flash rope mate, will put you in contact with the right person for the best price. i have Dynex Dux on both of my winches now,after having used it once i will never use wire rope again.

Cheers wopass!

DaveM wrote:

tallsam66 wrote:Another way to stop cables flying around uncontrolled is as follows...some ppl disagree with this method...but i have seen it used & its a great idea.

Connect a short strop or a tree protector to your factory tie down or another hook on your vehicle....then connect the other end of the strop to the to the winch cable hook or snatch strap ....this 2 strop isnt under any pressure from the pull...but should a hook or rope etc fail it wont go far as it will be arrested by the 2nd short strop.This of course can be done to both ends of the pull.

If not described it very well but im hoping you's will understand what i mean.

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How does this help if the rope breaks?

Its not a perfect solution...but does make it safer

tallsam66 wrote:

DaveM wrote:

tallsam66 wrote:Another way to stop cables flying around uncontrolled is as follows...some ppl disagree with this method...but i have seen it used & its a great idea.

Connect a short strop or a tree protector to your factory tie down or another hook on your vehicle....then connect the other end of the strop to the to the winch cable hook or snatch strap ....this 2 strop isnt under any pressure from the pull...but should a hook or rope etc fail it wont go far as it will be arrested by the 2nd short strop.This of course can be done to both ends of the pull.

If not described it very well but im hoping you's will understand what i mean.

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How does this help if the rope breaks?

Its not a perfect solution...but does make it safer

ummm, it was a question, not a comment, I wasn't implying it wasn't a good idea, its just it says will help if rope breaks, I'm just trying to picture how the setup works

I would suggest (and I don't mind being corrected) that it would help with hook or other failure of the connection between the rope and the vehicle being winched but would not do anything to lessen the impact of a rope breaking

My 10c (you can't get 2c any more)